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Big Hurtt

Posted: 1/21/2013 11:42 PM

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Posted: 1/21/2013 11:46 PM

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Posted: 1/22/2013 6:03 AM

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Cards fans have nervously denied that Hurtt could be implicated because they trusted Charlie so much. Guessing he gets a "show cause" and they will have no choice but get rid of him and it will still make the NCAA go back as far as Bridgewater and take a closer look at the SO Florida pipeline. They may not find anything, but there is a lot more puckering going on in Cardland than there was 24 hours ago.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 7:24 AM

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Bad I'm not sure what UofL will do simply because I don't have any inside info; however, I could only guess that, as UK would do, that UofL would either cut him loose if the "show cause" is given to Clint Hurtt.  There has been speculation (rumors) that he might not be given the "show clause" because of his cooperation with the NCAA, but what do I know.  I'm not an NCAA rules expert, but I don't think this will have any effect on UofL directly or indirectly or any of it's players.  I would think that if UofL or any of it's players were to be affected that some of this info would have also leaked out just as this story is beginning to leak out.  As to the effect on current recruiting I simply don't know.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 7:48 AM

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We all know that bridgewater is at Louisville because of his "relationship" with hurtt/shapiro. I doubt the ncaa comes down on louisville directly from all this, besides maybe getting rid of hurtt, but i think it will have a negative impact on recruiting. At least in the short term.
Im not sure why most louisville fans want to keep hurtt on staff. Its clear he was a big part of a huge scandal and has used dirty recruiting tactics to get the job done. Maybe they are afraid recruiting will fall off without hurtt. Cholly has openly praised him numerous times for getting players to louisville.
He seems like a liability to me.
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Last edited 1/22/2013 7:57 AM by Kingrexchapman3

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Posted: 1/22/2013 10:23 AM

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I am sure that UL never saw this coming.
gocds12 wrote: Bad I'm not sure what UofL will do simply because I don't have any inside info; however, I could only guess that, as UK would do, that UofL would either cut him loose if the "show cause" is given to Clint Hurtt.  There has been speculation (rumors) that he might not be given the "show clause" because of his cooperation with the NCAA, but what do I know.  I'm not an NCAA rules expert, but I don't think this will have any effect on UofL directly or indirectly or any of it's players.  I would think that if UofL or any of it's players were to be affected that some of this info would have also leaked out just as this story is beginning to leak out.  As to the effect on current recruiting I simply don't know.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 10:35 AM

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gocds12 wrote: Bad I'm not sure what UofL will do simply because I don't have any inside info; however, I could only guess that, as UK would do, that UofL would either cut him loose if the "show cause" is given to Clint Hurtt.  There has been speculation (rumors) that he might not be given the "show clause" because of his cooperation with the NCAA, but what do I know.  I'm not an NCAA rules expert, but I don't think this will have any effect on UofL directly or indirectly or any of it's players.  I would think that if UofL or any of it's players were to be affected that some of this info would have also leaked out just as this story is beginning to leak out.  As to the effect on current recruiting I simply don't know.

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Sure, you hire a guy who has a reputation on the street as a dirty bagman, evidence comes through to confirm the reputation to be accurate, and it won't have any indirect effect.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 11:29 AM

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Butch Davis/John Blake and UNC ultimately did not turn out so well for all involved. You do not want the NCAA sniffing around
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Posted: 1/22/2013 11:47 AM

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Louisville fans are in spin mode trying to downplay this scandal. It makes me laugh that the courier journal didnt have anything in the paper about this. What a joke. The bottom line is that lville's sugar bowl season was made possible by the dirty/shady/bagman recruiting of hurtt and they are standing by him til' the bitter end. Hurtt is cholly's right hand man even though he knew what was going on in miami. That says a lot about him in my eyes.
Miami's scandal basically had two main players-hurtt and shapiro.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 12:16 PM

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At the very least Bridgewater being mentioned as directly taking benefits from Hurtt should be suspended for some games.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 12:26 PM

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Nothng new on this other than the the fact that the NCAA is ready to make thier case and start the final process. I know of no UL fans who ever felt Hurtt was innocent of all the stuff Shapario published and similar stuff. Too many coaches at the U involved and too much evidence to see anything else. You guys act like Hurtt was the only coach involved and UL was different for keeping him in place. The leaks so far seem to show that there will coaches at UL, Bama, WKU, another basketball school and the Head basketball coach at Mizzou all named in this report. All are working except Hill who left Florida.

ONce the chanrges are announced the coaches & Miami will have 90 days to answer them in writing & plead their case Then at some point the NCAA will announce any penalities to Miami and the coaches within 4-6 months. Most expect some kind of penality for Hurtt.

THe bottom line is UL is not involved in any of this. The only player on the UL roster ever listed was at any point was that Bridgewater as a HS Junior was taken by the Shapario Suite for a few minutes with the current QB of UCF. The NCAA already already cleared Teddy to play on this issue 2 years ok. Hurtt has been under the microscope at UL and is clean. 

In the end the worst case for UL is we lose a good recruiter. Maybe for several years or maybe forever. He is not the only coach UL has working in SF and in the end Charlie is the lead guy who signs the players. The program is doing well and they can find a new guy just as UK just found a whole new staff.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 12:39 PM

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jvolk wrote: Nothng new on this other than the the fact that the NCAA is ready to make thier case and start the final process. I know of no UL fans who ever felt Hurtt was innocent of all the stuff Shapario published and similar stuff. Too many coaches at the U involved and too much evidence to see anything else. You guys act like Hurtt was the only coach involved and UL was different for keeping him in place. The leaks so far seem to show that there will coaches at UL, Bama, WKU, another basketball school and the Head basketball coach at Mizzou all named in this report. All are working except Hill who left Florida.

ONce the chanrges are announced the coaches & Miami will have 90 days to answer them in writing & plead their case Then at some point the NCAA will announce any penalities to Miami and the coaches within 4-6 months. Most expect some kind of penality for Hurtt.

THe bottom line is UL is not involved in any of this. The only player on the UL roster ever listed was at any point was that Bridgewater as a HS Junior was taken by the Shapario Suite for a few minutes with the current QB of UCF. The NCAA already already cleared Teddy to play on this issue 2 years ok. Hurtt has been under the microscope at UL and is clean. 

In the end the worst case for UL is we lose a good recruiter. Maybe for several years or maybe forever. He is not the only coach UL has working in SF and in the end Charlie is the lead guy who signs the players. The program is doing well and they can find a new guy just as UK just found a whole new staff.
So Charlie competed for recruits a lot against Hurtt in Florida, and had to know what kind of operation they were running at Miami. He hires a known cheat and that doesn't bother you even a little bit?
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Posted: 1/22/2013 12:59 PM

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gocds12 wrote: Bad I'm not sure what UofL will do simply because I don't have any inside info; however, I could only guess that, as UK would do, that UofL would either cut him loose if the "show cause" is given to Clint Hurtt.  There has been speculation (rumors) that he might not be given the "show clause" because of his cooperation with the NCAA, but what do I know.  I'm not an NCAA rules expert, but I don't think this will have any effect on UofL directly or indirectly or any of it's players.  I would think that if UofL or any of it's players were to be affected that some of this info would have also leaked out just as this story is beginning to leak out.  As to the effect on current recruiting I simply don't know.

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!!                                    God Bless America!!!
Doesn't matter what anyone thinks. Hurtt will either resign or be told to pack. One thing Louisville has not done since Jurich arrived is play in the gret areas where the NCAA is concerned.

If his name is mentioned, after the rebuttal from him, and he is found to be complicit in any way, they will part company. Got to respect that about Jurich, like him or not.
If history does actually repeat itself, I am sooo getting a pet dinosaur!
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Posted: 1/22/2013 1:00 PM

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Once again UL fans still don't get it.
Hurtt was the pipeline to UL from south Fla, look at the roster without Hurtt UL does not play in the suger bowl and I doubt Strong gets the 4 mil a year contract.
There is way too much to overlook here.
Even if he did not cheat at UL as you say the fact he was on the staff helped to get the
South Fla players.

jvolk wrote: Nothng new on this other than the the fact that the NCAA is ready to make thier case and start the final process. I know of no UL fans who ever felt Hurtt was innocent of all the stuff Shapario published and similar stuff. Too many coaches at the U involved and too much evidence to see anything else. You guys act like Hurtt was the only coach involved and UL was different for keeping him in place. The leaks so far seem to show that there will coaches at UL, Bama, WKU, another basketball school and the Head basketball coach at Mizzou all named in this report. All are working except Hill who left Florida.

ONce the chanrges are announced the coaches & Miami will have 90 days to answer them in writing & plead their case Then at some point the NCAA will announce any penalities to Miami and the coaches within 4-6 months. Most expect some kind of penality for Hurtt.

THe bottom line is UL is not involved in any of this. The only player on the UL roster ever listed was at any point was that Bridgewater as a HS Junior was taken by the Shapario Suite for a few minutes with the current QB of UCF. The NCAA already already cleared Teddy to play on this issue 2 years ok. Hurtt has been under the microscope at UL and is clean. 

In the end the worst case for UL is we lose a good recruiter. Maybe for several years or maybe forever. He is not the only coach UL has working in SF and in the end Charlie is the lead guy who signs the players. The program is doing well and they can find a new guy just as UK just found a whole new staff.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 1:02 PM

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Kingrexchapman3 wrote: We all know that bridgewater is at Louisville because of his "relationship" with hurtt/shapiro. I doubt the ncaa comes down on louisville directly from all this, besides maybe getting rid of hurtt, but i think it will have a negative impact on recruiting. At least in the short term.
Im not sure why most louisville fans want to keep hurtt on staff. Its clear he was a big part of a huge scandal and has used dirty recruiting tactics to get the job done. Maybe they are afraid recruiting will fall off without hurtt. Cholly has openly praised him numerous times for getting players to louisville.
He seems like a liability to me.
Get serious and quit being sanctimonious. We hired Cal when he had issues hanging over his head. He was cleared and it worked out.

Too many fans have short memories when it comes to rivals.
If history does actually repeat itself, I am sooo getting a pet dinosaur!
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Posted: 1/22/2013 1:43 PM

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I agree with what is recopied below.  So, why did Strong keep Hurtt on his staff knowing that he was not innocent?  No one thought he would be cleared.  Most anticipated that Hurtt would have to go when the NCAA got around to releasing its findings.  No one thought the NCAA was going to send out a letter saying there was no evidence against Hurtt.  So, why was he allowed to be on the staff as a known cheater?

Seems fans and Strong wanted to ride his recruiting as long as they could, knowing the relationship was temporary.

jvolk wrote: Nothng new on this other than the the fact that the NCAA is ready to make thier case and start the final process. I know of no UL fans who ever felt Hurtt was innocent of all the stuff Shapario published and similar stuff. Too many coaches at the U involved and too much evidence to see anything else.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 1:44 PM

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I think hiring Hurtt WAS playing in the grey areas.

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gocds12 wrote: Bad I'm not sure what UofL will do simply because I don't have any inside info; however, I could only guess that, as UK would do, that UofL would either cut him loose if the "show cause" is given to Clint Hurtt.  There has been speculation (rumors) that he might not be given the "show clause" because of his cooperation with the NCAA, but what do I know.  I'm not an NCAA rules expert, but I don't think this will have any effect on UofL directly or indirectly or any of it's players.  I would think that if UofL or any of it's players were to be affected that some of this info would have also leaked out just as this story is beginning to leak out.  As to the effect on current recruiting I simply don't know.

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!!                                    God Bless America!!!
Doesn't matter what anyone thinks. Hurtt will either resign or be told to pack. One thing Louisville has not done since Jurich arrived is play in the gret areas where the NCAA is concerned.

If his name is mentioned, after the rebuttal from him, and he is found to be complicit in any way, they will part company. Got to respect that about Jurich, like him or not.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 1:45 PM

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As a short timer, I am not sure that "we" is accurate.  We will reserve judgment on that.

But, are you saying the Hurtt situation is the same as Cal or even close?  If so, contend with facts, rather than slam UK fans who know better.
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Kingrexchapman3 wrote: We all know that bridgewater is at Louisville because of his "relationship" with hurtt/shapiro. I doubt the ncaa comes down on louisville directly from all this, besides maybe getting rid of hurtt, but i think it will have a negative impact on recruiting. At least in the short term.
Im not sure why most louisville fans want to keep hurtt on staff. Its clear he was a big part of a huge scandal and has used dirty recruiting tactics to get the job done. Maybe they are afraid recruiting will fall off without hurtt. Cholly has openly praised him numerous times for getting players to louisville.
He seems like a liability to me.
Get serious and quit being sanctimonious. We hired Cal when he had issues hanging over his head. He was cleared and it worked out.

Too many fans have short memories when it comes to rivals.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 1:49 PM

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Strong knew Hurtt was the fastest way to get better players and he did it.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:15 PM

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You are seriously going to put Cal and hurtt in the same sentence. If you know the facts in both situations then this is a silly comparison. If you dont know the facts, maybe you should get familiar.

As for your comment on jurich and the "grey area". Everyone in america has known for quite sometime that hurtt and shapiro were basically buying players. If jurich somehow didnt know as you claim, then he is either naive or not very bright. Neither of which i think is true.
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Kingrexchapman3 wrote: We all know that bridgewater is at Louisville because of his "relationship" with hurtt/shapiro. I doubt the ncaa comes down on louisville directly from all this, besides maybe getting rid of hurtt, but i think it will have a negative impact on recruiting. At least in the short term.
Im not sure why most louisville fans want to keep hurtt on staff. Its clear he was a big part of a huge scandal and has used dirty recruiting tactics to get the job done. Maybe they are afraid recruiting will fall off without hurtt. Cholly has openly praised him numerous times for getting players to louisville.
He seems like a liability to me.
Get serious and quit being sanctimonious. We hired Cal when he had issues hanging over his head. He was cleared and it worked out.

Too many fans have short memories when it comes to rivals.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:35 PM

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Too many Millions$$$$$ at stake to get ride of Hurtt until they had too.

Look at the payday he brought UL.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:42 PM

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Your right^^ Cholly should split the 4 mill per year with him. Without hurtts prized recruit TB, lville maybe wins 6 games
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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:21 PM

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Jurich is not dumb either just think of all the money that Hurtt made UL also.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:51 PM

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gocds12 wrote: Bad I'm not sure what UofL will do simply because I don't have any inside info; however, I could only guess that, as UK would do, that UofL would either cut him loose if the "show cause" is given to Clint Hurtt.  There has been speculation (rumors) that he might not be given the "show clause" because of his cooperation with the NCAA, but what do I know.  I'm not an NCAA rules expert, but I don't think this will have any effect on UofL directly or indirectly or any of it's players.  I would think that if UofL or any of it's players were to be affected that some of this info would have also leaked out just as this story is beginning to leak out.  As to the effect on current recruiting I simply don't know.

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Would you like to admit now after all of that dancing and declaring that there was nothing to worry about crap?  Cholly knew this,  he needed Hurtt badly because with him came Bridgewater and he had to have that kid to be successful the last two years.  I guess crow never gets to old to eat.  You may get away without being involved but Hurtt's recruiting involvement with Bridgewater came from the problem involving miami which puts him and the kid in the same barrel.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:55 PM

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jvolk wrote: Nothng new on this other than the the fact that the NCAA is ready to make thier case and start the final process. I know of no UL fans who ever felt Hurtt was innocent of all the stuff Shapario published and similar stuff. Too many coaches at the U involved and too much evidence to see anything else. You guys act like Hurtt was the only coach involved and UL was different for keeping him in place. The leaks so far seem to show that there will coaches at UL, Bama, WKU, another basketball school and the Head basketball coach at Mizzou all named in this report. All are working except Hill who left Florida.

ONce the chanrges are announced the coaches & Miami will have 90 days to answer them in writing & plead their case Then at some point the NCAA will announce any penalities to Miami and the coaches within 4-6 months. Most expect some kind of penality for Hurtt.

THe bottom line is UL is not involved in any of this. The only player on the UL roster ever listed was at any point was that Bridgewater as a HS Junior was taken by the Shapario Suite for a few minutes with the current QB of UCF. The NCAA already already cleared Teddy to play on this issue 2 years ok. Hurtt has been under the microscope at UL and is clean. 

In the end the worst case for UL is we lose a good recruiter. Maybe for several years or maybe forever. He is not the only coach UL has working in SF and in the end Charlie is the lead guy who signs the players. The program is doing well and they can find a new guy just as UK just found a whole new staff.

I like ul fans when they are being funny,  "Nothing new here,"  and " THe bottom line is UL is not involved in any of this."  When in fact they hired a cheater,  and they now want everyone to believe that Hurtt while at ul did all of that great recruiting without cheating?"  Amazing,  how they sound more like unc fans then ever before.  Now we can add, its the "louisville way."
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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:57 PM

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SQUASHBUGS wrote:
Kingrexchapman3 wrote: We all know that bridgewater is at Louisville because of his "relationship" with hurtt/shapiro. I doubt the ncaa comes down on louisville directly from all this, besides maybe getting rid of hurtt, but i think it will have a negative impact on recruiting. At least in the short term.
Im not sure why most louisville fans want to keep hurtt on staff. Its clear he was a big part of a huge scandal and has used dirty recruiting tactics to get the job done. Maybe they are afraid recruiting will fall off without hurtt. Cholly has openly praised him numerous times for getting players to louisville.
He seems like a liability to me.
Get serious and quit being sanctimonious. We hired Cal when he had issues hanging over his head. He was cleared and it worked out.

Too many fans have short memories when it comes to rivals.
You are dumber then a rock.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:17 PM

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UKlaw82 wrote:
SQUASHBUGS wrote:
Kingrexchapman3 wrote: We all know that bridgewater is at Louisville because of his "relationship" with hurtt/shapiro. I doubt the ncaa comes down on louisville directly from all this, besides maybe getting rid of hurtt, but i think it will have a negative impact on recruiting. At least in the short term.
Im not sure why most louisville fans want to keep hurtt on staff. Its clear he was a big part of a huge scandal and has used dirty recruiting tactics to get the job done. Maybe they are afraid recruiting will fall off without hurtt. Cholly has openly praised him numerous times for getting players to louisville.
He seems like a liability to me.
Get serious and quit being sanctimonious. We hired Cal when he had issues hanging over his head. He was cleared and it worked out.

Too many fans have short memories when it comes to rivals.
You are dumber then a rock.
A comment from one of those rocks...

I'll hold off on judgement until all is over.  However, there is one heck of a lot of smoke.  If it's found he's done bad then I won't minimalize it, he's gotta go.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:19 PM

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mcg48 wrote:
UKlaw82 wrote:
SQUASHBUGS wrote:
Kingrexchapman3 wrote: We all know that bridgewater is at Louisville because of his "relationship" with hurtt/shapiro. I doubt the ncaa comes down on louisville directly from all this, besides maybe getting rid of hurtt, but i think it will have a negative impact on recruiting. At least in the short term.
Im not sure why most louisville fans want to keep hurtt on staff. Its clear he was a big part of a huge scandal and has used dirty recruiting tactics to get the job done. Maybe they are afraid recruiting will fall off without hurtt. Cholly has openly praised him numerous times for getting players to louisville.
He seems like a liability to me.
Get serious and quit being sanctimonious. We hired Cal when he had issues hanging over his head. He was cleared and it worked out.

Too many fans have short memories when it comes to rivals.
You are dumber then a rock.
A comment from one of those rocks...

I'll hold off on judgement until all is over.  However, there is one heck of a lot of smoke.  If it's found he's done bad then I won't minimalize it, he's gotta go.
Sorry I will add you to the list.  lol
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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:26 PM

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Louisville fans have been so busy telling themselves that the day of reckoning would never come they're in denial now that it's here and they're acting all butt-Hurtt.  

Jurich hired someone known to be under investigation by the NCAA for recruiting violations, and big ones at that.  Anyone trying to paint Jurich and Strong with some sort of innocent stroke right now is being laughed at by the rest of the college football world but we all know how ethical Ramsey and Jurich are  rolleyes.  Two other programs released the coaches they had hired that had been involved, but UL resisted.  Hurtt will get his show-cause and UL might not be completely off the hook for their complicity but it was a chance they were willing to take.  

Bridgewater and a couple of other players involved were already granted immunity by the NCAA in exchange for their cooperation.
Don't panic
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Posted: 1/22/2013 5:28 PM

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But, wasn't there a boat load of smoke when he was hired?

I think he will go, but I also think it will be recluctant, because I agree there is nothing new here.  UL fans and everyone else knew this day was coming.


mcg48 wrote:
UKlaw82 wrote:
SQUASHBUGS wrote:
Kingrexchapman3 wrote: We all know that bridgewater is at Louisville because of his "relationship" with hurtt/shapiro. I doubt the ncaa comes down on louisville directly from all this, besides maybe getting rid of hurtt, but i think it will have a negative impact on recruiting. At least in the short term.
Im not sure why most louisville fans want to keep hurtt on staff. Its clear he was a big part of a huge scandal and has used dirty recruiting tactics to get the job done. Maybe they are afraid recruiting will fall off without hurtt. Cholly has openly praised him numerous times for getting players to louisville.
He seems like a liability to me.
Get serious and quit being sanctimonious. We hired Cal when he had issues hanging over his head. He was cleared and it worked out.

Too many fans have short memories when it comes to rivals.
You are dumber then a rock.
A comment from one of those rocks...

I'll hold off on judgement until all is over.  However, there is one heck of a lot of smoke.  If it's found he's done bad then I won't minimalize it, he's gotta go.
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