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So who made the best hire?
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Posted: 12/8/2012 1:16 AM
So who made the best hire?
Kentucky--Stoops
Tennessee--Jones
Auburn--Malzahn
Arkansas--Bielema
If it isn't Arkansas, I think it has to be UK. The other three all went with guys that had at least a year's head coaching experience. Stoops has been preparing for this opportunity for awhile, and while he could turn out to be a bust or a boom as a head coach, his ceiling has yet to be defined. IMO, UK's hiring definitely has the most upside and potential of the four to be that once-in-a-generation guy.
Jones averaged 9 wins per year at CMU, then 7.7 per year at UC. Will he be able to do better at UT?
Bielema averaged 9.7 wins in his 7 years in Madison. Maybe his disdain for the SEC led him to believe he would be even more successful in Fayetteville, but that wouldn't appear to be very likely.
Malzahn only has one more year of head coaching experience than CMS, going 9-3 at Arkansas State. 7 years ago he was still a high school coach. Will he be able to withstand the pressure at Auburn if they don't win right away? This is the school that had a perfect season under Terry Bowden, a perfect season under Tommy Tuberville, and a perfect season with a national championship under Gene Chizik. None of them are there anymore.
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Last edited 12/8/2012 2:47 AM by CatFansince73
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Posted: 12/8/2012 1:53 AM
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I agree that CMS has the most upside/ potential of any of them. If Brown can somehow fall through the cracks and we get him or another really good OC i would say UK. As it stands now, with the offense still uncertain, i would go with arkansas and UK a close second. However, Im not convinced that Bielema's style will translate well to the SEC west so i could be wrong about him.
If jones had full support from UT fans i would rank him right up their with stoops but that isnt the case. In fact jones has divided the fans and a lot of them are upset that he is their coach. That division and second guessing will be hard to overcome on the field. I can see malzahn having similar troubles at auburn with those crazy expectations and i cant help but think that cam newton was a huge reason for their success previously. (chizik/malzahn)
I almost forgot about bowden having an undefeated team to go with chizik and tubs. That is just crazy they were upset with all 3.
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Posted: 12/8/2012 2:46 AM
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The Tennessee AD supposedly limited himself to only guys with head coaching experience for some reason. That appeared to be the sentiment in Arkansas and Auburn also. It limits your pool of applicants tremendously right away, and if a couple of guys turn you down it gets even worse.
Plus, a lot of head coaches out there probably owe a great deal of their success to their coordinators and assistants.
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Posted: 12/8/2012 5:19 AM
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Smart was never on the lists at Auburn or UT?
The last three coaches at UC have gone on to bigger jobs, indicating UC has hired well and had success at their level. It is a pro town and attendance is often weak, even when they are having good seasons. The facilities are crap and, I assume, their budget is likewise. So, even though UC sits in more fertile recruiting ground than UT, it is probably a difficult place to recruit, with OSU, UM, Penn State, Notre Dame, and others plundering Ohio. Jones runs the spread option with a fast paced no huddle, not as fast as Oregon, but they get off the ball in about 20 seconds from tackle to snap. That will take some adjusting for UT fans (personnel?). Jones has a defensive background, but i never was wowed by his defenses, but it could have been that he never had great recruiting, or the fact that his offenses sometime get off the field very quickly. I am not sure he ever accomplished at UC what Kelly accomplished. UT fans expect great hires, but that seriously has not been their recent history, unless you count the excitement Kiffin generated when he was picked.
I like our hire and am excited. That suits me.
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Posted: 12/8/2012 7:40 AM
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Stoops seems the riskiest hire given his lack of HC experience. Of course that leaves him with the most upside since he starts at zero side. The other three have the advanatages of more commitment to FB - bigger stadii, more rabid fans, HC experience, & I think bigger salaries.
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Posted: 12/8/2012 7:57 AM
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We won't know until the w-l records are posted. I'm fine with the fish we landed (at least for now).
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Posted: 12/8/2012 12:41 PM
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ram1958 wrote: We won't know until the w-l records are posted. I'm fine with the fish we landed (at least for now). That I can agree with ram, I like our hire but call me this time next year for an update. :) |
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Posted: 12/8/2012 11:02 PM
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Posted: 12/8/2012 11:11 PM
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Thanks for that. There's a comment there that I hadn't realized--all four won or were part of winning their conference this year--Wisconsin "won" the Big 10, Arky State the Sunbelt, Cincinnati a share of the Big East, and FSU probably doesn't win the ACC without CMS.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 7:28 AM
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Bad if the poll means anything then Arky won the "race" hands down. Other than that being the opinion of fans it doesn't really mean dip. On your comments about Cincy and having three good coaches in a row. You are correct. However, Cincy IS, as you said, in a pro town (see Pitt) and they will always have a "fan growth" problem. In addition, their on campus stadium is totally locked in. I guess they would have PB Stadium at their disposal (again see Pitt and even USF) but they still have the same problem of dealing with the "pro fans" in their community. Plus they have Ohio State and UK to deal with in loyalty. I guess they could solve the "on campus" facility by double decking, but there is no way to increase parking. But as UK and UofL both have done is "build it and they will come". I refer to UK only in the sense that back in the early 70s when CWS was being proposed and built I traveled the state in my selling position and there were a bunch of people saying where was UK going to get those extra 20,000 + fans to fill the new stadium. I told them if it was built the fans would come and again with the remodel of CWS in the late 90s. I said the same thing about PJCS and even with the effect of the Kragthorpe years we averaged between 49,000 and 50,000 in attendance this past season. Hopefully, with the ACC coming to town we'll grow that to virtually 55,000 and change soon. UofL just doesn't have the same base to draw from that UK does, but we don't do a bad job and CCS will just have to "deal" with that. Even with that said, the majority of UofL fans are very pleased with his staying here. I think Stoops is a great hire and that he will bring the recruits and coaching staff to Lexington to be far more successful than CJP was. Hopefully, he'll be the kind of man that CJP is and I have no doubt that he will be.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 7:30 AM
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It means everything, Gocs. Everything. So sad, I cannot finish this ...
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Posted: 12/9/2012 7:59 AM
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gocds12 wrote: But as UK and UofL both have done is "build it and they will come". I refer to UK only in the sense that back in the early 70s when CWS was being proposed and built I traveled the state in my selling position and there were a bunch of people saying where was UK going to get those extra 20,000 + fans to fill the new stadium. I told them if it was built the fans would come and again with the remodel of CWS in the late 90s. I said the same thing about PJCS and even with the effect of the Kragthorpe years we averaged between 49,000 and 50,000 in attendance this past season.
GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!! During the glory days (part I) of uk Football...the Curci years, Ky played some good competition. He had a Schnellenberger like vision for the program and scheduled accordingly. Oklahoma, Penn St, Clemson, etc.... Oklahoma came to Lex in the early 80's against a terrible Ky team. People came to see a team like OU. I believe the stadium was full. If Ky ever gets to the point where #1 we are highly competitive and #2 are not afraid to do some Curci like scheduling, UK will be able to sell 80K tickets or better. No bones about my not being much of a bball fan so I don't want to get into the Football will be bigger than bball issue at KY....unfortunately it never will, but Ky fans have shown their support for Football is second to NONE...if the product is worthy of their support. Likewise with ul, people will pay to see good teams. FSU, Miami, VPI, Clemson can be big draws. UL will never have the potential for #'s that Ky has due to geography, the culture, etc.... but they could regularly have 60K or so IF they remain competitive versus what will be exponentially better competition. Good luck! |
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Posted: 12/9/2012 8:29 AM
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A very GOOD MORNING TO ram and Bad . . .  I hope you guys have a great Sunday.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 8:38 AM
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gocds12 wrote:A very GOOD MORNING TO ram and Bad . . . I hope you guys have a great Sunday.
GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!! So you were travelling around the state pre-Commonwealth Stadium??? You don't look your age  . Have a good day. |
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Posted: 12/9/2012 9:39 AM
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Naaaaa, I am the subject of good genes!  I'll be 70 on my next birthday, July 2013. Of course, that will be if the cricks don't rise and God willin'. GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!! |
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Posted: 12/9/2012 10:16 AM
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I can't say Butch Jones was a bad hire. But I wonder what kind of fit he is for the south. The guy is all Michigan.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 11:58 AM
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So far, so good! --------------------------------------------- --- gocds12 wrote: A very GOOD MORNING TO ram and Bad . . . I hope you guys have a great Sunday. GO CARDS - EAT CHRISTMAS TREES!! God Bless America!!! ---------------------------------------------
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Posted: 12/9/2012 3:09 PM
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I think Arkansas got not only a great coach, but a great fit for what they need. Much like Kentucky, Arkansas is in the small minority of SEC universities who have to rely primarily on out-of-state recruiting to get real SEC talent. Bielema has been a head coach (and a winning one) at a school with a major geographic recruiting disadvantage.
My heart wants to rank the hires as such...
1. Arkansas
2. Kentucky
3. Tennessee
4. Auburn (I personally think Cam Newton made Malzahn just as much as he did Chizik)
However, my gut says to switch UK and UT, or at the very least make them 2a and 2b.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 4:11 PM
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1978best wrote: I can't say Butch Jones was a bad hire. But I wonder what kind of fit he is for the south. The guy is all Michigan. It's been a real problem for Nick Sabin from WV & OH. |
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Posted: 12/9/2012 4:28 PM
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1978best wrote: I can't say Butch Jones was a bad hire. But I wonder what kind of fit he is for the south. The guy is all Michigan. Though it's rare, there have been isolated cases in which a northerner has been able to overcome the handicap of having yankee genes and has successfully assimilated himself into the real, genteel world of the SOUTH. Though few have made the successful transition, ALL desire it but it can only be accomplished by the grace of God. There are only two kinds of people in the world: those that want to be southerners and those who actually have been extended the grace necessary to actually hold the title. Perhaps Mr. Jones is one of the blessed, select few. We'll see.
Last edited 12/9/2012 4:31 PM by ram1958
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Posted: 12/9/2012 8:25 PM
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Was Urban Meyer a southern boy? This is a non-issue, IMO.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 8:28 PM
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Badinage wrote: Was Urban Meyer a southern boy? This is a non-issue, IMO. You're right....just having some fun at the expense those hailing from north of the border (the Mason-Dixon line). |
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Posted: 12/10/2012 2:49 PM
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Could the answer be Bobby Petrino to my alma mata..WKU
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Posted: 12/10/2012 3:41 PM
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If true, Western just screwed up everything they've been working to build down there.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 5:27 PM
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CatFansince73 wrote: If true, Western just screwed up everything they've been working to build down there. I don't know. BP could be rehabilitating. Can do that there, not in SEC. Hope he is.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 5:35 PM
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When he leaves in 2 or 3 years, they'll realize they just sold their souls to the devil.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 9:43 PM
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CatFansince73 wrote: When he leaves in 2 or 3 years, they'll realize they just sold their souls to the devil. Maybe they'll end up on probation . respectfully, an EKU grad |
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Posted: 12/10/2012 10:30 PM
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Clearly Western
Bobby >Stoops
Truth hurts, don't kill the messenger
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Posted: 12/10/2012 11:13 PM
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Nobody. I repeat nobody in a BCS conference gave Bobby Petrino a look. The guy can coach. But he hired his girlfriend on the schools dime and lied to his AD about it. If not he would still be at Arkansas.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 11:16 PM
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gerntz wrote:
1978best wrote: I can't say Butch Jones was a bad hire. But I wonder what kind of fit he is for the south. The guy is all Michigan. It's been a real problem for Nick Sabin from WV & OH. Funny how you forgot LSU and the Dolphins. |
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