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Who has faith in Barnhart next Hire?

Posted: 11/14/2012 8:46 AM

Who has faith in Barnhart next Hire? 


I feel like a shankappotamus standing on the 17th at sawgrass in a 30 mph gale waiting on Mitch to completely bury our program with another dud hire, while Bobby Petrino is ready to come in here and win.

How is MB still employed with his UK Track record of Football and Bball hires? Think about these blunders: 

1. He kept Tubby to long and allowed the top bball program of all time to become middle of the road.  Very hard to do, btw.

2.  Let go of Guy MO and Brent Pease after an awesome season.  No telling where these two could have taken us.  They were 7-5 and were a miracle pass away from 8-4 in their
2nd year.

3.  Hired BCG.  Calipari wasn't even considered.  Reminds me of another great coach with Italion heritage that Barnhart won't consider.

4.  Lack of Decent upgrades to football facilities.   While Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, Vandy, Auburn, and the rest of the SEC spend 100s of millions on upgrades, we don't have a recruiting room.

5.  Letting go of Brooks when he wanted 2 more years.  All Brooks wanted was a little more money for his staff and a recruiting room. 

6.   Hiring Joker.  I love Joker, but he's not a head coach. 


What am I leaving out?
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Posted: 11/14/2012 9:03 AM

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You lost me at Guy Morriss. That would have been a disaster. It was absolutely the right call to let him walk. You have tried very hard to cherry pick any negatives and give no credit for the good hires he has made, including Cal. So it's hard to take your post very seriously when it's so one sided. It appears like you have some agenda against the AD with this post.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 9:17 AM

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kingseve wrote: I feel like a shankappotamus standing on the 17th at sawgrass in a 30 mph gale waiting on Mitch to completely bury our program with another dud hire, while Bobby Petrino is ready to come in here and win.

How is MB still employed with his UK Track record of Football and Bball hires? Think about these blunders: 

1. He kept Tubby to long and allowed the top bball program of all time to become middle of the road.  Very hard to do, btw.

2.  Let go of Guy MO and Brent Pease after an awesome season.  No telling where these two could have taken us.  They were 7-5 and were a miracle pass away from 8-4 in their
2nd year.

3.  Hired BCG.  Calipari wasn't even considered.  Reminds me of another great coach with Italion heritage that Barnhart won't consider.

4.  Lack of Decent upgrades to football facilities.   While Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, Vandy, Auburn, and the rest of the SEC spend 100s of millions on upgrades, we don't have a recruiting room.

5.  Letting go of Brooks when he wanted 2 more years.  All Brooks wanted was a little more money for his staff and a recruiting room. 

6.   Hiring Joker.  I love Joker, but he's not a head coach. 


What am I leaving out?
In a lot of ways, the truth.

I think Barnhart will make a good hire given the current interest in the position.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 9:21 AM

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What makes you think Guy Mo and Pease would have been a disaster after what he did in 2002?  UK went 7-5 that year with very near wins at UF in the swamp and LSU with the miracle pass.

No agenda for me.  I used to be a MB fan.  I have been told that he didn't hire Cal and if it were up to mb he would n't have.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 9:29 AM

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I have very little faith in MB. Never have. The difference now is that he is making a hire to save himself. Maybe self preservation will make a difference.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 9:40 AM

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kingseve wrote: What makes you think Guy Mo and Pease would have been a disaster after what he did in 2002?  UK went 7-5 that year with very near wins at UF in the swamp and LSU with the miracle pass.

No agenda for me.  I used to be a MB fan.  I have been told that he didn't hire Cal and if it were up to mb he would n't have.

You have been told wrong RE: Calipari.  Read Darrel Bird's article about this VERY subject on TOS.  I've talked to Pratt about this too.  Educate yourself.  Don't listen to folks with biased agendas.

RE: the actual question.  I have a TON of faith in MB.  For several reasons.

A.  he's regarded within his profession as one of the best.
B.  The capital improvements he's made to our facilities with the bonding constraints of our state constitution is remarkable.
C.  He made the hire for our football program that allowed us go through a "modern day golden era" for UK football standards.  While you guys want to bash, the success of Rich Brooks speaks for itself.  Who hired Brooks?
D.  He kept the football program alive and put it on a good course with Brooks when we could have collapsed under the weight of one of the toughest probations in NCAA history.
E.  He's willing to aknowledge when he makes a mistake and make a quick change.  I'll explain.  When Cal hired BCG it was almost universally applauded as a hire of a great young coach.  After two short seasons Mitch acknowledged that a change needed to be made, going against a lot of national media criticism and fired BCG.  Some will say we should have hired cal at the time.  We would have been stuck with the Derek Rose situation.  I'd say we timed it perfectly.
F.  He was willing to pull the plug on Joker.  Now, again.  Some will say Barnhart is to blame for hiring joker.  But at the time the move was universally applauded.  In fact the hire was Brooks idea in the first place.  Make no mistake.  Firing Joker was a tough move.  Granted, it was made easier with terrible performances on the field.  But I respect Mitch for making the move.
G.  Olympic sport/women sports success is at an all time high, by a LONG shot at UK.  When Barnhart got here we were a basketball department with some other sports.  Mitch has transformed that into one of the best athletic departments in the country.  Top 10 womens b-ball with great attendance, top 10 baseball, other top non revenue sports. 

All in all, I have great faith in Mitch.  When the pressure is on he's made very good hires.  He'll do the same this time.

Remember, you guys don't have all the facts and you aren't sitting in the interview room.

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Posted: 11/14/2012 10:16 AM

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kingseve wrote: What makes you think Guy Mo and Pease would have been a disaster after what he did in 2002?  UK went 7-5 that year with very near wins at UF in the swamp and LSU with the miracle pass.

No agenda for me.  I used to be a MB fan.  I have been told that he didn't hire Cal and if it were up to mb he would n't have.
Lee Todd and Mike Pratt have both refuted that story over and over again, yet it persists on many of these boards. This should tell you a little something about all the MB hate, and how much credibility to give it.

Guy Morriss was successful because we had a very strong running game in Pinner. We were headed straight into probation after that season with reduced scholarships and very little talent. We would have gone downhill no matter who the coach was. He would not have survived those years. Besides that, what has he done since leaving UK that makes you believe he is a good head coach? I haven't seen anything from him that makes me think he was even an average head coach.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 10:40 AM

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Cosmo,

 

If MB hired CAL I give him major props for that.  Many close to the situation have told me otherwise, so I don't know who to believe.

 

Regarding Guy MO/Peace, I don't know if you are a diehard FB fan like I am, so maybe you didn't watch the 2002 season that closely.  2002 was the most exciting season we have had here in 30 years, except for maybe the 2007 season.  That was only his 2nd year.  The players loved him and I think he would have had a killer 2003 season.  Instead, Jlo got fatter, tried to run the option with him, sweet pea, ellery, and Caudill were forced into a new 3-4 defense and we went 4-8, when we could have gone 8-4.

Btw, I love Brooks and think he was a good hire, but I don't like the way Guy and Peace were forced out without a BETTER coach in place.

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Posted: 11/14/2012 11:20 AM

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kingseve wrote:

Cosmo,

 

If MB hired CAL I give him major props for that.  Many close to the situation have told me otherwise, so I don't know who to believe.

 

Regarding Guy MO/Peace, I don't know if you are a diehard FB fan like I am, so maybe you didn't watch the 2002 season that closely.  2002 was the most exciting season we have had here in 30 years, except for maybe the 2007 season.  That was only his 2nd year.  The players loved him and I think he would have had a killer 2003 season.  Instead, Jlo got fatter, tried to run the option with him, sweet pea, ellery, and Caudill were forced into a new 3-4 defense and we went 4-8, when we could have gone 8-4.

Btw, I love Brooks and think he was a good hire, but I don't like the way Guy and Peace were forced out without a BETTER coach in place.

I'm a huge football fan. I've been a season ticket holder for over 20 years. I think you are way over estimating what we could have done in 2003. If you watched that season closely, you noticed that the big difference in that team and 2002, was no running game. Pinner was an NFL quality back. After he left, we had no one with any where close to his ability in the back field. That, in and of itself, was the difference in those two teams. The talent level only went down hill from there because of probation.

You didn't answer the question about what he has done since he left UK that makes you think he is a good head coach.

Also he wasn't forced out. UK made him an offer to stay, but Baylor made a higher offer that UK wasn't willing to match for a coach of his experience and track record. On top of that, he was from Texas, and going to Baylor was like going home.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 11:45 AM

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The much bigger difference was the absense of Peace and Goodner and the replacements of Hudson and Archer.  Hudson was running the option with JLO.  Archer took a TFL/Sack master in Sweet Pea Burns and made him nonexistent in his 34 defense. 

It's hard to turn down a 500% raise when your boss is offering peanuts after the best UK season in 20 years.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 1:24 PM

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cosmosfactory wrote:
Guy Morriss was successful because we had a very strong running game in Pinner.
Artose was THE difference in 2002.  IIRC he was the SEC Offensive Player of the Year.  He could get hit 2 yards behind line and still gain 2 yards.  Hate to knock on the rest of the offense that year, but as I remember it AP put up his numbers without a lot of help/blocking.

Also that year we had a phenomenal season with special teams returns with Derek Abney scoring a lot of TD's on KO and punt returns.

That said, some credit still neeeds to go to GM and his staff.  Nothing but love for a HC that breaks his hand at halftime hitting a locker and doesn't have it set until after the game. eek 

Maybe GM and staff would have had more success than RB in 2003 just from the continuity of caoching staffs, but dark days for UK were definitely on the horizon as the full effects of probation were getting ready to bite.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 1:34 PM

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Not sure he kept Tubby too long.  The guy won a NC and had some very good teams. 

Letting go of Guy was the right thing.  No way Guy was worth the money Baylor offered.  I think that was established by the fact Baylor fired him.  And, most fans realize that the sanctions were going to hurt after the senior class that Guy and Pease had that second year.  No way Guy avoided the drop that Brooks experienced.

BCG was a mistake, but he fired him after two years.  He did not delay in fixing that mistake.

He hired Joker and gave Joker three years to prove his worth.  I think Brooks was on board, so hard to respect Brooks, but then blame Mitch for that hire.  Both were wrong.

I see no reason to slam Mitch for a decision he has not yet made.  That seems to be the purpose of the OP.  Mitch is keeping this close to the vest.  So, I will wait.

He has done very well with Brooks, Cal, Matthew M., and in baseball, soccer, volleybal, tennis, etc.

He has an overall very good record.  Let's let him get his man and then discuss.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 2:04 PM

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I'll give you 1.5 out of 6.

I agree with Badinage, Tubby earned the benefit of the doubt. He was pulling in top-10 recruiting classes almost every year. The 2004 recruiting class (which was ranked #1) did him in. Randolph Morris was lazy and didn't get his butt in gear until it became very clear that his NBA future was in doubt. Rondo caused problems in the lockerroom and left early due to Danny Ainge's tampering. Crawford never quite lived up to his potential and Bradley was a bust until his senior year. Also, many fans never let it go that we didn't recruit Lofton, even though his only two D-1 scholarship offers were from UT and WKU.

Guy Morriss went to a school in a weaker conference with a much, much stronger natural geographic recruiting base and failed in spectacular fashion. No... just no.

BCG was indeed a mistake, no argument there. However, Mitch was told by people he trusted that BCG had reined in his alcohol issues. He cracked under the pressure here. Also, Cal wasn't considered in 2007 because at the time we were not prepared to pay a coach $4M a year.

#4 isn't Mitch's fault. For one, difficulties getting money from the state have been well documented. Also, there is a large number of major UK boosters who demand their money be earmarked for basketball alone.

On #5 I'm with you. Brooks was encouraged to retire because Todd and Barnhart were afraid they would lose Joker.

Hiring Joker was the right move at the time. He was the OC for UK's most prolific offense ever, and if he had ultimately succeeded, he would never have left.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 2:15 PM

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Kingseve,Guy wasnt forced out...He was offered a $260,000 raise and turned it down to go to Baylor for $1.4mill I believe...He was a total bust there and is now retired..Go to the Cats Pause site and read about the Cal hiring straight from Mike Pratts mouth...Mitch hired the man...Tell your friends they dont know what they are talking about..
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Posted: 11/14/2012 2:17 PM

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Joker and Tubby come from the same cloth when It comes to coaching. They are to laid back, and do not know how to use the talent they have. You do not try to change a kids strengths to fit your broken system. You work around the talent you have. As far as Tubby's championship he still had Rick's players. Pitino did him a favor by redshirting Jeff Shepard. A Shepard did lead us to the promise land. As far as Joker, you could watch Rich's philosiphy disappearing week by week that first season.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 2:48 PM

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2blue wrote:
cosmosfactory wrote:
Guy Morriss was successful because we had a very strong running game in Pinner.
Artose was THE difference in 2002.  IIRC he was the SEC Offensive Player of the Year.  He could get hit 2 yards behind line and still gain 2 yards.  Hate to knock on the rest of the offense that year, but as I remember it AP put up his numbers without a lot of help/blocking.

Also that year we had a phenomenal season with special teams returns with Derek Abney scoring a lot of TD's on KO and punt returns.

That said, some credit still neeeds to go to GM and his staff.  Nothing but love for a HC that breaks his hand at halftime hitting a locker and doesn't have it set until after the game. eek 

Maybe GM and staff would have had more success than RB in 2003 just from the continuity of caoching staffs, but dark days for UK were definitely on the horizon as the full effects of probation were getting ready to bite.
Pinner was good, but he wasn't the entire offense.  JLo led the SEC in TD passes.  Give me Pease/Goodner anyday over archer and Hudson.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 2:48 PM

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Excellent post.
Hoptownukfan wrote:
kingseve wrote: What makes you think Guy Mo and Pease would have been a disaster after what he did in 2002?  UK went 7-5 that year with very near wins at UF in the swamp and LSU with the miracle pass.

No agenda for me.  I used to be a MB fan.  I have been told that he didn't hire Cal and if it were up to mb he would n't have.

You have been told wrong RE: Calipari.  Read Darrel Bird's article about this VERY subject on TOS.  I've talked to Pratt about this too.  Educate yourself.  Don't listen to folks with biased agendas.

RE: the actual question.  I have a TON of faith in MB.  For several reasons.

A.  he's regarded within his profession as one of the best.
B.  The capital improvements he's made to our facilities with the bonding constraints of our state constitution is remarkable.
C.  He made the hire for our football program that allowed us go through a "modern day golden era" for UK football standards.  While you guys want to bash, the success of Rich Brooks speaks for itself.  Who hired Brooks?
D.  He kept the football program alive and put it on a good course with Brooks when we could have collapsed under the weight of one of the toughest probations in NCAA history.
E.  He's willing to aknowledge when he makes a mistake and make a quick change.  I'll explain.  When Cal hired BCG it was almost universally applauded as a hire of a great young coach.  After two short seasons Mitch acknowledged that a change needed to be made, going against a lot of national media criticism and fired BCG.  Some will say we should have hired cal at the time.  We would have been stuck with the Derek Rose situation.  I'd say we timed it perfectly.
F.  He was willing to pull the plug on Joker.  Now, again.  Some will say Barnhart is to blame for hiring joker.  But at the time the move was universally applauded.  In fact the hire was Brooks idea in the first place.  Make no mistake.  Firing Joker was a tough move.  Granted, it was made easier with terrible performances on the field.  But I respect Mitch for making the move.
G.  Olympic sport/women sports success is at an all time high, by a LONG shot at UK.  When Barnhart got here we were a basketball department with some other sports.  Mitch has transformed that into one of the best athletic departments in the country.  Top 10 womens b-ball with great attendance, top 10 baseball, other top non revenue sports. 

All in all, I have great faith in Mitch.  When the pressure is on he's made very good hires.  He'll do the same this time.

Remember, you guys don't have all the facts and you aren't sitting in the interview room.

The sleeping giant is awakening.  

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Posted: 11/14/2012 3:16 PM

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I don't think Barhart realizes just how seriously UK needs a breakout hire for football.  The fans are gonna see who this guy hires and then take it from there. 

There are a couple of other coaches that I would accept outside of Petrino that have been referenced that could provide some hope to this program but I'm not sure if UK will hire any of them or just how good they would do here?

My vote is still to take the best possible guarantee that is Petrino.  If Petrino were to end up at Tennessee that could be very bad for UK for a long time to come.

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Posted: 11/14/2012 3:28 PM

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kingseve wrote: What makes you think Guy Mo and Pease would have been a disaster after what he did in 2002?  UK went 7-5 that year with very near wins at UF in the swamp and LSU with the miracle pass.

No agenda for me.  I used to be a MB fan.  I have been told that he didn't hire Cal and if it were up to mb he would n't have.
Have you paid attention to what Morriss has done everywhere else he's been?
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Posted: 11/14/2012 3:34 PM

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At this point, I believe I'm in agreement with Bad...if Bad is still pro-Belotti (or fulmer, cutcliff, ugh!!!)   If the list given out by mjones this morning is really all we have to choose from, I'd prefer Belotti. Thinking on the Brooks era...it was a high point in uk football. I believe if MB was open about it, he'd say it would have been better to have opened up the coaching job when Brooks announced his retirement. We'd have attracted a different quality coach at that point.

If Belotti came in...or even ugh...Fulmer, etc... for long enough to get us back to respectability, could we not then attract a better quality candidate?

Bad, if I've mistaken your position, my apologies.
ram

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Posted: 11/14/2012 4:06 PM

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ram1958 wrote: At this point, I believe I'm in agreement with Bad...if Bad is still pro-Belotti (or fulmer, cutcliff, ugh!!!)   If the list given out by mjones this morning is really all we have to choose from, I'd prefer Belotti. Thinking on the Brooks era...it was a high point in uk football. I believe if MB was open about it, he'd say it would have been better to have opened up the coaching job when Brooks announced his retirement. We'd have attracted a different quality coach at that point.

If Belotti came in...or even ugh...Fulmer, etc... for long enough to get us back to respectability, could we not then attract a better quality candidate?

Bad, if I've mistaken your position, my apologies.
ram
If thats the list, I'm quite certain that any of those names that you have listed would be stupid to come here.  They are just asking for career assistant suicide.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 4:15 PM

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It wouldn't be career suicide for a Belotti or a Fulmer.  What else do they have to do that would be better than pulling in a couple of million. For the guys jones mentioned this morning ...or any active coach at any level for that matter...you may be right about the career suicide thing.

It is interesting, kind of amusing that the administration would allow some names to be floated around.  It's an old trick to float out ideas you know people will hate, so that they think you've done them a favor by doing something they initially would not have supported. I don't think the name of the next coach is being floated around...just my opinion.

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Posted: 11/14/2012 5:45 PM

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ram1958 wrote: It wouldn't be career suicide for a Belotti or a Fulmer.  What else do they have to do that would be better than pulling in a couple of million. For the guys jones mentioned this morning ...or any active coach at any level for that matter...you may be right about the career suicide thing.

It is interesting, kind of amusing that the administration would allow some names to be floated around.  It's an old trick to float out ideas you know people will hate, so that they think you've done them a favor by doing something they initially would not have supported. I don't think the name of the next coach is being floated around...just my opinion.
Belotti or Fulmer will get Mitchy fired within a year.  They can collect their millions but they won't last.  Everyone seems to think that Mitch has so many options here and the reality is that he doesn't.  The way I see is that there is around 5 guys or so that Mitch could realistically bring in and they might be able to win and then you have everyone else who is more likely then not going to lose and go further into the rabbit hole.

To go from Petrino to Sonny Dykes/Kirby Smart is one thing that might be able to work itself out.  However, I have serious doubts of success when going from Petrino to insert no name coach (and this includes Baloney/Fulmer)

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Posted: 11/14/2012 5:58 PM

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ram1958 wrote: At this point, I believe I'm in agreement with Bad...if Bad is still pro-Belotti (or fulmer, cutcliff, ugh!!!)   If the list given out by mjones this morning is really all we have to choose from, I'd prefer Belotti. Thinking on the Brooks era...it was a high point in uk football. I believe if MB was open about it, he'd say it would have been better to have opened up the coaching job when Brooks announced his retirement. We'd have attracted a different quality coach at that point.

If Belotti came in...or even ugh...Fulmer, etc... for long enough to get us back to respectability, could we not then attract a better quality candidate?

Bad, if I've mistaken your position, my apologies.
ram
I hope I'm wrong but I don't think Belotti would come here after some of the things Rich Brooks has said about being promised certain improvements and then not getting them.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 6:01 PM

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I wish the trolls would go do their homework . I'm sure they probably need to draw an outline of their hand so they can draw a turkey for their Thanksgiving project.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 6:20 PM

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Tubby gets full credit for what his first team accomplished. And Tubby was not a relaxed coach. He was intense.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 6:20 PM

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2blue wrote:
cosmosfactory wrote:
Guy Morriss was successful because we had a very strong running game in Pinner.
Artose was THE difference in 2002.  IIRC he was the SEC Offensive Player of the Year.  He could get hit 2 yards behind line and still gain 2 yards.  Hate to knock on the rest of the offense that year, but as I remember it AP put up his numbers without a lot of help/blocking.

Also that year we had a phenomenal season with special teams returns with Derek Abney scoring a lot of TD's on KO and punt returns.

That said, some credit still neeeds to go to GM and his staff.  Nothing but love for a HC that breaks his hand at halftime hitting a locker and doesn't have it set until after the game. eek 

Maybe GM and staff would have had more success than RB in 2003 just from the continuity of caoching staffs, but dark days for UK were definitely on the horizon as the full effects of probation were getting ready to bite.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 6:22 PM

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Hudson was Brooks' mistake. Not Mitch's. If Brooks had Pinner his first year, he would have had similar success.

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2blue wrote:
cosmosfactory wrote:
Guy Morriss was successful because we had a very strong running game in Pinner.
Artose was THE difference in 2002.  IIRC he was the SEC Offensive Player of the Year.  He could get hit 2 yards behind line and still gain 2 yards.  Hate to knock on the rest of the offense that year, but as I remember it AP put up his numbers without a lot of help/blocking.

Also that year we had a phenomenal season with special teams returns with Derek Abney scoring a lot of TD's on KO and punt returns.

That said, some credit still neeeds to go to GM and his staff.  Nothing but love for a HC that breaks his hand at halftime hitting a locker and doesn't have it set until after the game. eek 

Maybe GM and staff would have had more success than RB in 2003 just from the continuity of caoching staffs, but dark days for UK were definitely on the horizon as the full effects of probation were getting ready to bite.
Pinner was good, but he wasn't the entire offense.  JLo led the SEC in TD passes.  Give me Pease/Goodner anyday over archer and Hudson.

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Posted: 11/14/2012 6:25 PM

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I would be thrilled with Belotti. I would be diappointed with Fulmer. And, I am uncommitted on Cutcliff.

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At this point, I believe I'm in agreement with Bad...if Bad is still pro-Belotti (or fulmer, cutcliff, ugh!!!)   If the list given out by mjones this morning is really all we have to choose from, I'd prefer Belotti. Thinking on the Brooks era...it was a high point in uk football. I believe if MB was open about it, he'd say it would have been better to have opened up the coaching job when Brooks announced his retirement. We'd have attracted a different quality coach at that point.

If Belotti came in...or even ugh...Fulmer, etc... for long enough to get us back to respectability, could we not then attract a better quality candidate?

Bad, if I've mistaken your position, my apologies.
ram

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Posted: 11/14/2012 7:19 PM

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Man... He was fun to watch in the return game.
2blue wrote:
cosmosfactory wrote:
Guy Morriss was successful because we had a very strong running game in Pinner.
Artose was THE difference in 2002.  IIRC he was the SEC Offensive Player of the Year.  He could get hit 2 yards behind line and still gain 2 yards.  Hate to knock on the rest of the offense that year, but as I remember it AP put up his numbers without a lot of help/blocking.

Also that year we had a phenomenal season with special teams returns with Derek Abney scoring a lot of TD's on KO and punt returns.

That said, some credit still neeeds to go to GM and his staff.  Nothing but love for a HC that breaks his hand at halftime hitting a locker and doesn't have it set until after the game. eek 

Maybe GM and staff would have had more success than RB in 2003 just from the continuity of caoching staffs, but dark days for UK were definitely on the horizon as the full effects of probation were getting ready to bite.
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