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Another Petrino thread this time from Vaught's views

Posted: 11/11/2012 8:20 AM

Another Petrino thread this time from Vaught's views 


Having Bobby Petrino at top of UK search makes sense to Joe Hall and maybe to others as well

Published November 11, 2012
Bobby Petrino photo courtesey USA Today/Wesley Hitt

Bobby Petrino photo courtesey USA Today/Wesley Hitt

By LARRY VAUGHT

Three weeks ago when it became apparent there likely would have to be a coaching change at Kentucky, it seemed unlikely that former Louisville and Arkansas coach Bobby Petrino would be on UK’s list of potential new coaches no matter if he is considered one of the best offensive coaches in the game and needed a job.

But now, things seem to be changing. Indications are Kentucky may indeed have not just a bit of interest in Petrino, but a lot of interest as it continues the process for finding a coach while Joker Phillips guides the Wildcats through the final two games of what has been a 1-9 season.

Numerous sources seem to feel Petrino is on UK’s radar now despite these possible concerns:

— In April Petrino was involved in a motorcycle crash with former Arkansas all-SEC volleyball player Jessica Dorrell, whom he had hired in March as the student-athlete development coordinator for the football program. Petrino denied that anyone was with him at first, but later admitted Dorrell was not only a passenger, but that he had an adulterous relationship with her. It was also discovered that Petrino made a previously undisclosed $20,000 cash gift to Dorrell and Arkansas fired Petrino.

— Petrino got his first head coaching job at Louisville in 2003, but secretly interviewed for the coaching job at Auburn before there was a coaching vacancy at Auburn during his second season at Louisville. Petrino had 11 wins in 2004 and 12 wins in 2006 and signed a 10-year, $25.6 million contract with Louisville but about six months later left  to become the head coach of the NFL’s Atlanta Falcons.

— With three games left in his first NFL season, Petrino resigned as coach of the Falcons and took the coaching job at Arkansas.

But former UK basketball coach Joe Hall says there is another side to some of those stories. Hall’s son-in-law, Mike Summers, coached under Petrino before coming to Lexington three years ago to join Phillips’ staff.

“I know there is a lot of misinformation about Petrino and looking for other jobs when he was at Louisville, especially the situation at Auburn,” said Hall. “People were wanting to talk to him. He was not out chasing jobs and would not have left Louisville if he had not been approached about jobs. He was very loyal to Louisville. The AD (athletics director) and president at Auburn pressure him to meet with them. They flew up to southern Indiana to talk to him. He told them it was a waste of time but he had been at Auburn as offensive coordinator and respected those people. All he did was talk. Nothing else.”

What about leaving the Falcons the way he did?

“The situation was not him leaving team with three games to go. He went into management to bench a couple of starters that were causing problems and they told him he couldn’t do it,” Hall said. “He said was to have complete control but they said he couldn’t bench players they were paying big money. He told them then he would be not be back the next year and they said he was finished now. He was going to finish the year. He was not going to walk out. But they changed the locks on the door so he could not get back to the locker room. There was a lot more to that story.”

Hall, who won the 1978 national championship, is an avid football fan and sees no reason for UK not to hire Petrino now.

“This is a very unusual opportunity to have a coach out of a job who could be the guy that you want here,” Hall said. “I would think it is an unbelievable opportunity to get a coach that maybe you would never ordinarily be able to approach. With the situation here, you could not get a better coach than Bobby Petrino. This is a chance for Kentucky to bring in a very predictable successful coach.”

Hall noted that UK once passed over basketball coach John Calipari and hired Billy Gillispie because some at UK had concerns about rumored problems Calipari had with the NCAA.

“After Gillipsie, it was so important to get UK back on the winning side that they (UK officials) overlooked what they were afraid of the first time with hiring Calipari. They brought him in and it has not been a bad situation at all,” Hall said. “Calipari was different in that he was still a winner and had not done anything morally wrong. A lot of his problems with his perception but the NCAA had never come down on him personally in any way.”

Hall describes Petrino as a “taskmaster” and said he could be “tough” on assistant coaches and “demanding” on his players. But aren’t most top coaches that way?

“He’s a very strict disciplinarian. He recruits kids that might have a temptation to stray a little and he rides herd on them,” Hall said.

Hall called Petrino an “offensive genius” who can look at a defense and “pick it apart if he has the players” to run his offense.

“He would make (Maxwell) Smith or (Patrick) Towles a great quarterback,” Hall said. “He would have good players to work with at UK and a young team that he could mold.”

Kentucky has not won a SEC championship since 1977. Other teams that have won championships might have coaching vacancies in the weeks ahead. But Hall believes the uncertainty about the future could help UK land Petrino.

“I know he likes Kentucky. His family like Kentucky,” Hall said. “It would be a very satisfying move for his family to come back here.”

Think about it. Rick Pitino left Kentucky for the NBA, struggled and returned to Louisville. He was involved in an extramarital affair, but took the Cards to the Final Four last year and is favored to do so again.

Would UK fans be as accepting of Petrino?

“if he won, how do you think they would embrace him. It is a matter of he came and turned the program around in two years, nobody would have a problem with him just like they don’t another certain coach at another school in this state,” Hall said.

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Posted: 11/11/2012 9:52 AM

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Hmmm...more to Petrino's story than meets the eye, it seems.  That's not particularly surprising.  I'm not a Petrino hater, and since Coach Hall apparently thinks he's ok, I'd have to say it's time to seriously consider Petrino as a viable candidate.  I think that UK definitely has lawyers who can draw up a contract to protect the university's interests, if Petrino should prove not to have improved his moral compass.  The selling point, other than Petrino's obvious ability to put a winning team onto the field, is the fact that he's had no NCAA issues.

Of course, if UK should hire Petrino, guess we Pitino not-lovers will have to serve ourselves a nice plate of crow.  I'll have mine with red wine, please.  cool
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Posted: 11/11/2012 10:02 AM

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Very interesting.

There really are two sides to every story...I'm kinda glad I am not the person
that has to figure this one out. As some have mentioned, this is why you at
least sit down and talk to Petrino.

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Posted: 11/11/2012 10:13 AM

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Bottom line is it doesnt matter who we hire not everyone will be happy. Atleast until we start winning. Once you start winning with which ever coach we hire then fans will start climbing back on board.
 I agree. I would not want to be the one making this call.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 1:02 PM

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Coach ball and summers are biased. Mike likely keeps his job if Petrino is hired.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 1:14 PM

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WInNING cures a lot of problems
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Posted: 11/11/2012 2:09 PM

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Hoptownukfan wrote: Coach ball and summers are biased. Mike likely keeps his job if Petrino is hired.
How many excuses do you have for not considering Petrino?

1. We're too good for him
2. We have our sights set at better candidates
3. Those backing Petrino are biased

Why don't you just list the rest of your reasons for not hiring Petrino in this thread so you don't have to break them out one at a time?
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Posted: 11/11/2012 2:20 PM

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The people that don't like Petrino will just have to find a new team to cheer for like the rest of us have had to do for awhile with Joker.  These are the same people that would get on here and question whether your a fan or not because you don't support what the admin is doing, now that the admin is contemplating something they don't like they become hypocrites.

Last edited 11/11/2012 2:22 PM by Bigbluesea90

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Posted: 11/11/2012 2:35 PM

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Looks like coach Hall agrees with me. He knows how wise I am.pirate

Now I know why people hate UK.

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Posted: 11/11/2012 3:17 PM

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I'm not saying we won't or shouldn't hire him. I'm saying there are better candidates out there that we should make sure we can't get before pursuing Petrino. If we hire Petrino the contract better be VERY uk friendly.

Lastly, at the end of the day in trust Mitch. If he feels comfortable with Petrino then I do.

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Hoptownukfan wrote: Coach ball and summers are biased. Mike likely keeps his job if Petrino is hired.
How many excuses do you have for not considering Petrino?

1. We're too good for him
2. We have our sights set at better candidates
3. Those backing Petrino are biased

Why don't you just list the rest of your reasons for not hiring Petrino in this thread so you don't have to break them out one at a time?

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Posted: 11/11/2012 3:48 PM

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Mitch felt comfortable before. That's not good enough for me, and it won't be good enough to fill the stands.

Now I know why people hate UK.

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Posted: 11/11/2012 3:56 PM

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A question for some of the more informed on here, how much of the HFC's salary is paid by outside sources like Advertisers and whatnot? This could be a hangup in hiring BP, if they are not willing to use BP as their spokesman that could be a problem even if MB wanted to hire him.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 3:57 PM

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Mitch felt comfortable before. That's not good enough for me, and it won't be good enough to fill the stands.

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You would be silly enough to bask in the glow of hindsight. Why am I not surprised?

FYI-brooks approached Barnhart about c.o.i. At the time the move was universally applauded.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 5:05 PM

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Gonna be a lot more pressure on Barnhart to make a great hire now.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 5:40 PM

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I like it that no be seems to have a clue. People are just guessing. And, Mitch is picking. I am okay with that. And, I do not care who is whining.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 5:45 PM

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CatFever49 wrote: Looks like coach Hall agrees with me. He knows how wise I am.pirate

Solomon has been re-created into a UK fan.  lol
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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:06 PM

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Just read a Courier journal link where James Quick says if UK hires Petrino it would help UKs chances for him.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:12 PM

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wildcatfanforever wrote: Just read a Courier journal link where James Quick says if UK hires Petrino it would help UKs chances for him.
Lip service.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:15 PM

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Hoptownukfan wrote:

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Mitch felt comfortable before. That's not good enough for me, and it won't be good enough to fill the stands.

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You would be silly enough to bask in the glow of hindsight. Why am I not surprised?
Probably because it takes a brain to be surprised. That's my guess.

Now I know why people hate UK.

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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:18 PM

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JDrum wrote:
wildcatfanforever wrote: Just read a Courier journal link where James Quick says if UK hires Petrino it would help UKs chances for him.
Lip service.
Why would that be lip service?

Now I know why people hate UK.

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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:23 PM

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CatFever49 wrote:
JDrum wrote:
wildcatfanforever wrote: Just read a Courier journal link where James Quick says if UK hires Petrino it would help UKs chances for him.
Lip service.
Why would that be lip service?
Because he's not going to UK. Never was seriously interested in UK or Arkansas when Petrino was there. Louisville, Ohio State or another national U will land him.

Ryan Timmons, on the other hand, might be a different story.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:26 PM

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I'm laughing out loud at your nonsense. What is your point? That any hire other than Petrino makes Barnhart an idiot?
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Hoptownukfan wrote:

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Mitch felt comfortable before. That's not good enough for me, and it won't be good enough to fill the stands.

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You would be silly enough to bask in the glow of hindsight. Why am I not surprised?
Probably because it takes a brain to be surprised. That's my guess.

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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:28 PM

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http://www.nationofblue.com/wp...James-Quick.jpg

That sounds like lip service to me. If its not what you want its not going to happen.

The top recruit in the state of Kentucky has put his full support of Kentucky hiring former Arkansas coach Bobby Petrino.

Trinity’s James Quick, the most coveted wide receiver in the state, spoke to Steve Jones of the Courier Journal and says if Kentucky was to pull the trigger on Petrino, they might have a chance to land him.

Asked specifically about his thoughts on Petrino as a possible replacement, Quick said: “I think he would fit the job because he’s a great guy and a great coach. As far as him going to Kentucky, that would be a good fit for me if he was there.”

Could a senior in high school have any influence on the next coach at Kentucky?

If you get about 22 more talented players like him, I say yes.

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Bigbluesea90 wrote: The people that don't like Petrino will just have to find a new team to cheer for like the rest of us have had to do for awhile with Joker.  These are the same people that would get on here and question whether your a fan or not because you don't support what the admin is doing, now that the admin is contemplating something they don't like they become hypocrites.
nevermind don't feed the trolls

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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:37 PM

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Hoptownukfan wrote:
I'm laughing out loud at your nonsense. What is your point? That any hire other than Petrino makes Barnhart an idiot?
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Hoptownukfan wrote:

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Mitch felt comfortable before. That's not good enough for me, and it won't be good enough to fill the stands.

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You would be silly enough to bask in the glow of hindsight. Why am I not surprised?
Probably because it takes a brain to be surprised. That's my guess.

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Laughing out loud can be a good thing. Then again, it can be a sign of lunacy. Have you been checked?

Now I know why people hate UK.

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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:39 PM

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JDrum wrote:
CatFever49 wrote:
JDrum wrote:
wildcatfanforever wrote: Just read a Courier journal link where James Quick says if UK hires Petrino it would help UKs chances for him.
Lip service.
Why would that be lip service?
Because he's not going to UK. Never was seriously interested in UK or Arkansas when Petrino was there. Louisville, Ohio State or another national U will land him.

Ryan Timmons, on the other hand, might be a different story.
We don't know where anyone is going. What reason would the guy have for saying that? I mean, what advantage would that give him?

Now I know why people hate UK.

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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:42 PM

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Hoptownukfan wrote:
What is your point? That any hire other than Petrino makes Barnhart an idiot?

No. I'm saying look at his record.

Now I know why people hate UK.

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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:49 PM

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hightopcleats wrote: Very interesting.

There really are two sides to every story...I'm kinda glad I am not the person
that has to figure this one out. As some have mentioned, this is why you at
least sit down and talk to Petrino.
I didn't see another side to the story at all - just excuses. He didn't have to interview with Auburn and he would have taken the job if the meeting hadn't become public.

He can blame his departure on the Falcons all he wants, but the Falcons players tell the real side of that story. And it isn't pretty.

Mitch Barnhart's biggest swing and miss so far was Gillispie. He had some skeletons in his closest but we were all told he was rehabilitated. UK got burned on that one. I don't see then taking the same risk this time.
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CatFever49 wrote:
JDrum wrote:
CatFever49 wrote:
JDrum wrote:
wildcatfanforever wrote: Just read a Courier journal link where James Quick says if UK hires Petrino it would help UKs chances for him.
Lip service.
Why would that be lip service?
Because he's not going to UK. Never was seriously interested in UK or Arkansas when Petrino was there. Louisville, Ohio State or another national U will land him.

Ryan Timmons, on the other hand, might be a different story.
We don't know where anyone is going. What reason would the guy have for saying that? I mean, what advantage would that give him?
Did you believe Brian Brohm also had UK in his leaders on announcement day? After all, he said he did. wink

As for reason, if you want to be named "Mr. Football," it's always wise to keep UK listed as long as possible.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 7:36 PM

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I don't think Quick ends up here either but not sure the Mr. Football is as prevalent as it is in basketball. OTOH, I would love to sway Dawson or Hatcher to UK, I doubt Hatcher could be flipped but that would be a great pick up.
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