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Re: UNC AD says academic problems may date to 90s (page 5)

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Posted: 8/29/2012 5:45 PM

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NC.State Had Scooter Sherell so they can't talk
"Has anyone noticed that when a fan base gets a recruit that recruit instantly becomes a much better player and is all of a sudden underrated and under ranked. When they lose a recruit that recruit is overrated and not as good as they though"-SIGNATURE
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Posted: 8/29/2012 6:18 PM

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To me it's just a really really absurd argument. Ok sure so Robinson didn't work out which is expected after a scandal but how the **** is it UNC's fault that State made two bad hires in the last 15 years? Even better a State Grad is the one who fired Valvano. Your SAT argument holds absolutely no weight at all considering we don't know when the fraud classes started. We just don't have the info at this current point in time. To claim otherwise is bullshit. Sorry but those claims are delusional as they come. Basically the argument is we screwed up but let's find us a scape goat. I'm sure the UNC system was interested in knocking down one of it's flagship institutions at the time.

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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:53 PM

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uncy13 wrote: I'm sure the UNC system was interested in knocking down one of it's flagship institutions at the time.
The UNC System = UNC-Chapel Hill, then and now.

And, yes, UNC-CH wanted VERY MUCH to destroy NCSU sports, and that is what they did. At that time, we had a more popular basketball coach, we had won the ACC regular season in 1989, and we routinely beat UNC in football.

UNC-CH did not specify that we hire Robinson and O'Cain, but they forced us to adopt weird recruiting and academic self-restrictions that made the job unpalatable to anyone good. And they also installed a UNC-CH AD whose focus was to de-emphasize revenue sports and bean-count us toward a low-revenue, low-expense balanced budget.

I'm sure UNC recruited the dumbest players in the ACC and graduated 100% of them, with most of them majoring in AFAM, chaired by Nyang'oro, back then with no fraud while everyone else recruited smarter players and couldn't graduate 100% of them.

In 20 years, some wide-eyed State kid will say to you, "no way State fans wanted to destroy one of their own state's flagship universities," and you will ponder whether to bother explaining it or to just let him believe what he wants. When that happens, you will remember I said this to you.

Regardless of what you believe (and I don't particularly care), I am informing you what we believe. If you want to know why we are doing this, I have explained it about as plainly as I can. This is revenge for 1990. Simple as that. Further discussion of 1990 should take place via PM, as I doubt Kentucky fans give a rat's ass.

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Posted: 8/30/2012 12:38 AM

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JeffreyLee wrote:
uncy13 wrote: I'm sure the UNC system was interested in knocking down one of it's flagship institutions at the time.
The UNC System = UNC-Chapel Hill, then and now.

And, yes, UNC-CH wanted VERY MUCH to destroy NCSU sports, and that is what they did. At that time, we had a more popular basketball coach, we had won the ACC regular season in 1989, and we routinely beat UNC in football.

UNC-CH did not specify that we hire Robinson and O'Cain, but they forced us to adopt weird recruiting and academic self-restrictions that made the job unpalatable to anyone good. And they also installed a UNC-CH AD whose focus was to de-emphasize revenue sports and bean-count us toward a low-revenue, low-expense balanced budget.

I'm sure UNC recruited the dumbest players in the ACC and graduated 100% of them, with most of them majoring in AFAM, chaired by Nyang'oro, back then with no fraud while everyone else recruited smarter players and couldn't graduate 100% of them.

In 20 years, some wide-eyed State kid will say to you, "no way State fans wanted to destroy one of their own state's flagship universities," and you will ponder whether to bother explaining it or to just let him believe what he wants. When that happens, you will remember I said this to you.

Regardless of what you believe (and I don't particularly care), I am informing you what we believe. If you want to know why we are doing this, I have explained it about as plainly as I can. This is revenge for 1990. Simple as that. Further discussion of 1990 should take place via PM, as I doubt Kentucky fans give a rat's ass.
Except for the fact that if we go down it will be our own damn faults. That was the biggest crock of bullshit I think I've ever read in my life. If we are irrelevant for the next 20 years I'm not going to be thinking oh those ****ing State fans. It's sad if you actually believe what you just typed. Let me guess you also believe the officials help us whenever we play you?

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Posted: 8/30/2012 2:45 AM

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seoulbrothers wrote:
UKlaw82 wrote:
uncy13 wrote:
Reasoning wrote:
WKMMradio wrote: Reasoning, I have to give you credit,  you never stop trying to muddy the waters.
Reasoning wrote: Bottom line is, there is absolutely no evidence of any new NCAA violations. Any changes that occur will likely have little to no impact on the athletic department. Things will change internally, but our teams will remain as competitive as ever.
Hey, I'm passionate about my school. You'd do the same if it was UK and a bunch of Louisville fans had dedicated their entire lives to creating conspiracy theories online and sending them to a new group of media outlets each day.
To be honest though these are much more than a conspiracy theory. It does look like their were a bunch of fraud classes that a lot of athletes ended up taking due to academic counselors that had a connection to the ATHLETIC department. Does it look fishy? Uh yeah but I'm in no way jumping to conclusions just yet. I'll wait for the report.
A unc man who does not wear baby blue glasses when he types,  you are a breath of fresh air dude.
Really can't same the same for you.
What I can say is that you are the biggest whiner that has ever been on our board.  unc sucks,  you are the perfect example.
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Posted: 8/30/2012 12:15 PM

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uncy13 wrote:
Except for the fact that if we go down it will be our own damn faults. That was the biggest crock of ******** I think I've ever read in my life. If we are irrelevant for the next 20 years I'm not going to be thinking oh those ****ing State fans. It's sad if you actually believe what you just typed. Let me guess you also believe the officials help us whenever we play you?

you can't say bull$h!t in here without masking it.    been reported.   Please take your North Carolina pillow fight to one of your own forums.

8 Championships with 5 different coaches. Do the math.

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Posted: 8/30/2012 9:48 PM

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According to PackPride a few posters were given a lifetime global ban by scout earlier today. Speculation is that JeffreyLee was one of the casualties. I don't have a clue (just quoting from PackPride), but if he isn't banned I'm sure he'll post here eventually.
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Posted: 8/30/2012 11:35 PM

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Reasoning wrote: According to PackPride a few posters were given a lifetime global ban by scout earlier today. Speculation is that JeffreyLee was one of the casualties. I don't have a clue (just quoting from PackPride), but if he isn't banned I'm sure he'll post here eventually.
Why is that? His credibility is awful anyways.
ArmandJ wrote: Purvis is an NCAA thing, not an ACC one.
 Ole Jeffrey wrote: I would not bet my life on this, but I would bet a dollar straight up that someone affiliated with UNC lobbied the NCAA wrt Purvis and URCA.

Serious question for everyone: Does anyone think the NCAA is coming back soon?

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Posted: 8/31/2012 11:45 AM

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Posting from my phone so I can't provide a link at the moment, but UNC released a statement today saying that the NCAA had been involved in the investigations of the fraudulent courses and had determined that no rules had been violated.
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Posted: 8/31/2012 12:31 PM

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University statement on NCAA role in review of academic issues

In light of continuing speculation about the role of the NCAA in the review of academic issues in the Department of African and Afro-American Studies, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill is providing the following information:

 

“The University first notified the NCAA that it had identified potential academic issues involving student-athletes in African and Afro-American Studies courses on August 24, 2011.  We asked the NCAA to join us in our investigation of these issues, and they agreed to do that. A member of the NCAA enforcement staff traveled to Chapel Hill several times in the fall of 2011 and participated throughout the investigation.

 

With the NCAA enforcement staff, our internal working group of University Counsel Leslie Strohm, Senior Associate Dean Jonathan Hartlyn, and former faculty athletics representative Jack Evans interviewed faculty and staff in the Department of African and Afro-American Studies, academic support counselors, and student-athletes who had taken multiple courses in the department. 

 

Based on the joint review, UNC and the NCAA staff concluded there were no violations of current NCAA rules or student-athlete eligibility issues related to courses in African and Afro-American Studies. As a result, the NCAA did not add any allegations or include this issue during the University’s appearance in October 2011 before the Committee on Infractions.

 

College of Arts and Sciences Dean Karen Gil subsequently commissioned a review of courses in African and Afro-American Studies. In May, the University publicly issued that report and provided it to the NCAA.

 

On Aug. 23, 2012, University Counsel Leslie Strohm and Senior Associate Dean Jonathan Hartlyn provided an update to the enforcement staff.  The NCAA staff reaffirmed to University officials that no NCAA rules appeared to have been broken.

 

University officials will continue to keep the NCAA informed as developments warrant.”


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Posted: 8/31/2012 1:05 PM

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I have to admit, I'm very surprised.  I was certain that blatant and wholesale academic fraud to keep athletes eligible would have been against NCAA rules.

Good news for UCONN, they'll never have to worry about low APR scores ever again.
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Posted: 8/31/2012 1:30 PM

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2blue wrote: I have to admit, I'm very surprised.  I was certain that blatant and wholesale academic fraud to keep athletes eligible would have been against NCAA rules.

Good news for UCONN, they'll never have to worry about low APR scores ever again.

It's the NCAA. Never be surprised with them.
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Posted: 8/31/2012 1:35 PM

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2blue wrote: I have to admit, I'm very surprised.  I was certain that blatant and wholesale academic fraud to keep athletes eligible would have been against NCAA rules.

Good news for UCONN, they'll never have to worry about low APR scores ever again.
Link?  crazy
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Posted: 8/31/2012 2:45 PM

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MD2020HEEL wrote:
2blue wrote: I have to admit, I'm very surprised.  I was certain that blatant and wholesale academic fraud to keep athletes eligible would have been against NCAA rules.

Good news for UCONN, they'll never have to worry about low APR scores ever again.
Link?  crazy
The information is out there, do your own research.  I don't have the time, nor desire, to educate you.
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Posted: 8/31/2012 8:45 PM

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MD2020HEEL wrote:
2blue wrote: I have to admit, I'm very surprised.  I was certain that blatant and wholesale academic fraud to keep athletes eligible would have been against NCAA rules.

Good news for UCONN, they'll never have to worry about low APR scores ever again.
Link?  crazy
The link that you need,  is the one where the ncaa looks the other way when unc and dook break the rules.  The ncaa has got to go,  they are now as bad as they can possibly get.  Someone needs to bring them down now.  I know I would donate to the cause just to watch the high and mighty FALL.
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Posted: 9/2/2012 3:00 PM

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2blue wrote:
MD2020HEEL wrote:
2blue wrote: I have to admit, I'm very surprised.  I was certain that blatant and wholesale academic fraud to keep athletes eligible would have been against NCAA rules.

Good news for UCONN, they'll never have to worry about low APR scores ever again.
Link?  crazy
The information is out there, do your own research.  I don't have the time, nor desire, to educate you.
In other words,you fell for the moo u(nc state) baseless rumors.You want to believe Carolina is dirty so you believed all their bs.ohlord

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Posted: 9/2/2012 6:09 PM

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MD2020HEEL wrote:
2blue wrote:
MD2020HEEL wrote:
2blue wrote: I have to admit, I'm very surprised.  I was certain that blatant and wholesale academic fraud to keep athletes eligible would have been against NCAA rules.

Good news for UCONN, they'll never have to worry about low APR scores ever again.
Link?  crazy
The information is out there, do your own research.  I don't have the time, nor desire, to educate you.
In other words,you fell for the moo u(nc state) baseless rumors.You want to believe Carolina is dirty so you believed all their bs.ohlord
So tell me,  did the imaginary classes exist or not?  I am sure that you think those classes were good to go,  did you take those classes recently for your degree?  Maybe you better be careful including that degree on a resume.   LOL
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Posted: 9/3/2012 11:47 AM

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MD2020HEEL wrote:
2blue wrote:
MD2020HEEL wrote:
2blue wrote: I have to admit, I'm very surprised.  I was certain that blatant and wholesale academic fraud to keep athletes eligible would have been against NCAA rules.

Good news for UCONN, they'll never have to worry about low APR scores ever again.
Link?  crazy
The information is out there, do your own research.  I don't have the time, nor desire, to educate you.
In other words,you fell for the moo u(nc state) baseless rumors.You want to believe Carolina is dirty so you believed all their bs.ohlord
No, not at all.  The information I'm referring to came from UNC themselves.  Again, you should take the time to educate yourself on the matter.  If you choose not to, then that is certainly your perogative and I fully understand why you would make that decision.
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Posted: 9/4/2012 7:26 AM

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Actually the gentleman who posts as Manalishi on Packpride assembled all the rumors from the academic prong just yesterday.  He is the guy who blew up the Julius Peppers transcript.  I'll let the reader decide if 'baseless' accurately describes them.  Look pretty firmly based to me.

I don't know the rules here for a long cut and paste job so I'll just post the link.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s...9301704&p=1
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Posted: 9/5/2012 1:58 PM

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2blue wrote:
MD2020HEEL wrote:
2blue wrote:
MD2020HEEL wrote:
2blue wrote: I have to admit, I'm very surprised.  I was certain that blatant and wholesale academic fraud to keep athletes eligible would have been against NCAA rules.

Good news for UCONN, they'll never have to worry about low APR scores ever again.
Link?  crazy
The information is out there, do your own research.  I don't have the time, nor desire, to educate you.
In other words,you fell for the moo u(nc state) baseless rumors.You want to believe Carolina is dirty so you believed all their bs.ohlord
No, not at all.  The information I'm referring to came from UNC themselves.  Again, you should take the time to educate yourself on the matter.  If you choose not to, then that is certainly your perogative and I fully understand why you would make that decision.

In light of continuing speculation about the role of the NCAA in the review of academic issues in the Department of African and Afro-American Studies, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill is providing the following information:

“The University first notified the NCAA that it had identified potential academic issues involving student-athletes in African and Afro-American Studies courses on August 24, 2011.  We asked the NCAA to join us in our investigation of these issues, and they agreed to do that. A member of the NCAA enforcement staff traveled to Chapel Hill several times in the fall of 2011 and participated throughout the investigation.

With the NCAA enforcement staff, our internal working group of University Counsel Leslie Strohm, Senior Associate Dean Jonathan Hartlyn, and former faculty athletics representative Jack Evans interviewed faculty and staff in the Department of African and Afro-American Studies, academic support counselors, and student-athletes who had taken multiple courses in the department. 

Based on the joint review, UNC and the NCAA staff concluded there were no violations of current NCAA rules or student-athlete eligibility issues related to courses in African and Afro-American Studies. As a result, the NCAA did not add any allegations or include this issue during the University’s appearance in October 2011 before the Committee on Infractions.

College of Arts and Sciences Dean Karen Gil subsequently commissioned a review of courses in African and Afro-American Studies. In May, the University publicly issued that report and provided it to the NCAA.

On Aug. 23, 2012, University Counsel Leslie Strohm and Senior Associate Dean Jonathan Hartlyn provided an update to the enforcement staff.  The NCAA staff reaffirmed to University officials that no NCAA rules appeared to have been broken.

University officials will continue to keep the NCAA informed as developments warrant.”

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