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McCants and UNC

Posted: 6/6/2014 11:15 AM

McCants and UNC 


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Posted: 6/6/2014 12:46 PM

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The Carolina Way keeps getting more public exposure....

They have had an impressive system that for decades has kept any gray area or dirt well hidden.  That system is breaking down, and from some of McCant's comments I sense he loves UNC but feels the system needs to be exposed so it can be cleaned up.  That this is needed to treat the players fairly. 

I predict in 10 to 20 years Calipari will be viewed as the most honest coach in college basketball.
Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves. -Ronald Reagan
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Posted: 6/6/2014 2:57 PM

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I love this! Not because they may lose a NCAA title, but for the 'Holier-than-Thou' fans that have put so many programs down while hoisting their Halo and exclaiming that they 'would never tolerate blah blah' and ' I'd rather have had so and so because we don't cheat at UNC, blah blah.' AWESOME!!!!!
"Some gave all."
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Posted: 6/6/2014 3:38 PM

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I doubt anything will happen to UNC over this other than bad pr. The evidence of academic fraud going all the way back to the Dean Smith era was overwhelming even before this and the NCAA declared it was just an institutional issue.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 3:50 PM

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I think this time it may get more traction as it is the lead story in ESPN's site right now in big bold letters "ACADEMIC FRAUD AT UNC?"

It's never been that prominently placed on such a huge site before.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 4:00 PM

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UNC fans insist on keeping their head in the sand and act as if everyone is out to get UNC and they have done nothing wrong. The "carolina way" has become a punchline.

I wonder if it was UK instead of UNC if the NCAA would handle this differently?
We all know the answer. They would strip banners and hand out the death penalty so fast it would make your head spin.

Coach Cal played a player the NCAA declared ineligible AFTER the season ended. The same NCAA cleared and declared Rose eligible twice before the season started and said he was good to go. Then they threw the book at memphis and Cal when they did everything by the guidelines and rules put in place by the NCAA.

Now their is more and more proof that UNC has blatantly commited academic fraud to keep their players eligible for over a decade and the NCAA sees nothing wrong with this. They havent even investigated them.
What A joke.
I BLEED BLUE
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Posted: 6/7/2014 9:28 AM

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wellinghurst wrote: I think this time it may get more traction as it is the lead story in ESPN's site right now in big bold letters "ACADEMIC FRAUD AT UNC?"

It's never been that prominently placed on such a huge site before.

ESPN actually said something negative about the Tar Heels?!  eek

Wonder if cry'in Roy survives this latest scandal?  Lot's of cheat'in on tobacco road evidently, 20 years worth at least.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 9:49 AM

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Ex UNC Professor charged with felony in academic scandal:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/02/julius-ny ang-oro-felony-academic-scandal_n_4374827.html

32 UNC professors sign letter to UNC Trustees:
http://alumni.unc.edu/article.aspx?sid=10217

Former player claims classes were "paper classes":
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11036924/fo rmer-north-carolina-basketball-star-rashad-mccants -says-took-sham-classes


Nothing to see here folks.  Move along.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 11:26 AM

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Kingrexchapman3 wrote: UNC fans insist on keeping their head in the sand and act as if everyone is out to get UNC and they have done nothing wrong. The "carolina way" has become a punchline.

I wonder if it was UK instead of UNC if the NCAA would handle this differently?
We all know the answer. They would strip banners and hand out the death penalty so fast it would make your head spin.

Coach Cal played a player the NCAA declared ineligible AFTER the season ended. The same NCAA cleared and declared Rose eligible twice before the season started and said he was good to go. Then they threw the book at memphis and Cal when they did everything by the guidelines and rules put in place by the NCAA.

Now their is more and more proof that UNC has blatantly commited academic fraud to keep their players eligible for over a decade and the NCAA sees nothing wrong with this. They havent even investigated them.
What A joke.
Excellent point!  If you objectively look at the Rose/Memphis deal and compare it to this mess at UNC you have to conclude that the NCAA is brazenly bias!  

The Memphis deal had to do with academic fraud Rose might have done prior to entry into a university vs massive academic fraud by the University!   UNC has 100% control, multiple incidents over many years (chronic) and total responsibility.  Memphis had no control, was a single possible incident, and both them and the NCAA investigated prior to Rose's entry and both agreed everything was fine.
Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves. -Ronald Reagan
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Posted: 6/8/2014 9:51 AM

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wellinghurst wrote: I think this time it may get more traction as it is the lead story in ESPN's site right now in big bold letters "ACADEMIC FRAUD AT UNC?"

It's never been that prominently placed on such a huge site before.
Think you MAY be right- it apparently has some legs.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 8:42 AM

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Its way past time to close down the NCAA.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 9:34 PM

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They are throwing everything they can at McCants in an attempt to make him the bad guy in all of this.  The fact they are doing this indicates to me that they are highly concerned.  Even Kenny Smith is out trashing him and defending Williams and UNC.
Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves. -Ronald Reagan
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Posted: 6/22/2014 8:20 PM

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Any news on this? If this were UK, it would be mentioned on ESPN every day
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Posted: 6/26/2014 9:04 AM

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Listen closely and you might be able to hear the crickets at the NCAA headquarters.
"If it doesn't matter whether you win or lose, why do they keep score? I'm not trying to win a popularity contest here, I want to win!" --- Adolph Rupp


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Posted: 6/29/2014 1:35 AM

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Or the sound of UNC's broom sweeping this under the rug!
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Posted: 6/29/2014 8:30 PM

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Looks like it's just going to go away. Surprise! Surprise!

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/29/us/unc-classes-scand al-criminal-charges/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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Posted: 6/29/2014 9:51 PM

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UNC's system is disgustingly deep rooted and multifaceted.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 4:45 PM

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Looks like the NCAA is re-opening the investigation.  Guess they have taken enough heat.

http://johnclay.bloginky.com/2...-investigation/
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Posted: 6/30/2014 7:33 PM

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Yep, they reopened it today.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 5:01 AM

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Personally....

I hope the NCAA strips UNC of every win and title, in every sport involved, going back as far as they can show fraud.

But....

I'm still hoping Kate Beckinsale calls to tell me I won the lottery...and that she's in love with me, too..

I'm a sucker for that kinda thing.
"If it doesn't matter whether you win or lose, why do they keep score? I'm not trying to win a popularity contest here, I want to win!" --- Adolph Rupp


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Posted: 7/1/2014 5:29 AM

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One would think that with all the skeptics regarding the enforcement portion of the ncaa something would have to be done this time around.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 5:10 PM

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NC STATE FAN HERE. NOTHING MAY HAPPEN SINCE ITS UNC CHEAT BUT I LOVE WATCHING ALL THOSE TARHOLE FANS WINE AND SWEAT. SOMETHING IS GOING ON THERE. WHERE THERE IS SMOKE THERE IS FIRE. HOPE IT TURNS INTO A INFERNO.biggrin. THEIR FANS ARE TOO COCKY AND ARROGANT FOR ME.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 6:21 PM

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On other UK fan forums some fans want to end the UNC series because of the fraud. Some agree because they see playing UNC as justifying their cheating by agknowledging them. In my opinion we shouldn't for two reasons:

1.) It would mean looking down as holier than thou, which is exactly what Heels fans have done to Kentucky all these years.

2.) We get to put the smack down on the Heels while they're down, just like Ole Roy did at Kansas when we were on probation. That is they do get punished and if Roy doesn't jump ship.

What do y'all think?
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Posted: 7/2/2014 2:11 AM

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banghead

Here in NC, all the tarheel fans are saying:  Everybody does it, why can't we.

The State fans are happy and the Duke fans are quiet.  The Wake Forrest fans are too busy doing term papers
this summer.
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Posted: 7/5/2014 6:17 PM

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You have to be kidding me. End the series due to a scandal? Who are these fans, Pansy Parkinson and Pouncy Silverkitten? You're Kentucky. You're better than that. 

BTW, should be a great game this year. 
WildcatsRedlegsBengals wrote: On other UK fan forums some fans want to end the UNC series because of the fraud. Some agree because they see playing UNC as justifying their cheating by agknowledging them. In my opinion we shouldn't for two reasons:

1.) It would mean looking down as holier than thou, which is exactly what Heels fans have done to Kentucky all these years.

2.) We get to put the smack down on the Heels while they're down, just like Ole Roy did at Kansas when we were on probation. That is they do get punished and if Roy doesn't jump ship.

What do y'all think?
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Posted: 7/7/2014 12:02 AM

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ransmith wrote: They are throwing everything they can at McCants in an attempt to make him the bad guy in all of this.  The fact they are doing this indicates to me that they are highly concerned.  Even Kenny Smith is out trashing him and defending Williams and UNC.


As a Carolina fan going back many years (first started following the Heels in 1967), I know there are fans on this board as old as I am, who have observed first hand the harsh and heavy hand of the NCAA on their own program over the years.


For those of you who think Carolina is skating free, you can think again.  We got whacked pretty heavily on our football program just a few years ago, one of the "violations" for which we were cited was one of our graduated players actually allowing a recruit and his friend to sleep on his couch ..... Horrors! 




PreferentialTreatment In May of 2010,

Mr.Brown and teammate and good friend, Kendric Burney, traveled to Atlanta,
GA and, while there, received lodging (sleeping on the couch in an apartment)
and transportation from Mahlon Carey, another former student-athlete at
UNC. Because no prior relationship existed specifically between Mr. Brown,
Mr. Burney, and Mr. Carey, this lodging (2 nights at $30/night) and local
transportation ($10 based on 20 miles at .50/mile) was impermissible.
Benefits from Prospective Agents Mr. Brown first met Christopher Hawkins,
a former UNC student-athlete, upon Mr. Brown's enrollment at UNC the
summer before his freshman year (Summer, 2007).



As for Rashad McCants, he claimed in a press conference (years ago when he was a scholarship athlete playing for our team) that being a basketball player at ChapeL Hill was like being "in prison".

Below is a pilot show for a proposed television program that McCants produced.  Notice the High Character exhibited by Mr. McCants and the actors/actresses on this show.  

McCants is certifiable, and although he had almost stupendous athletic and basketball ability, he could not stay on an NBA roster because he was such a trouble maker.  Here's the link to his television pilot show.  By the way, no one seemed to want this show, it was never produced on network television.  Won't take you long to figure out why:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1jdv4otbQM

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Posted: 7/7/2014 9:42 AM

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If McCants was the only one who ever claimed such academic practices, then I'm sure he wouldn't be taken seriously, but...
mikedeason wrote:
ransmith wrote: They are throwing everything they can at McCants in an attempt to make him the bad guy in all of this.  The fact they are doing this indicates to me that they are highly concerned.  Even Kenny Smith is out trashing him and defending Williams and UNC.


As a Carolina fan going back many years (first started following the Heels in 1967), I know there are fans on this board as old as I am, who have observed first hand the harsh and heavy hand of the NCAA on their own program over the years.


For those of you who think Carolina is skating free, you can think again.  We got whacked pretty heavily on our football program just a few years ago, one of the "violations" for which we were cited was one of our graduated players actually allowing a recruit and his friend to sleep on his couch ..... Horrors! 




PreferentialTreatment In May of 2010,

Mr.Brown and teammate and good friend, Kendric Burney, traveled to Atlanta,
GA and, while there, received lodging (sleeping on the couch in an apartment)
and transportation from Mahlon Carey, another former student-athlete at
UNC. Because no prior relationship existed specifically between Mr. Brown,
Mr. Burney, and Mr. Carey, this lodging (2 nights at $30/night) and local
transportation ($10 based on 20 miles at .50/mile) was impermissible.
Benefits from Prospective Agents Mr. Brown first met Christopher Hawkins,
a former UNC student-athlete, upon Mr. Brown's enrollment at UNC the
summer before his freshman year (Summer, 2007).



As for Rashad McCants, he claimed in a press conference (years ago when he was a scholarship athlete playing for our team) that being a basketball player at ChapeL Hill was like being "in prison".

Below is a pilot show for a proposed television program that McCants produced.  Notice the High Character exhibited by Mr. McCants and the actors/actresses on this show.  

McCants is certifiable, and although he had almost stupendous athletic and basketball ability, he could not stay on an NBA roster because he was such a trouble maker.  Here's the link to his television pilot show.  By the way, no one seemed to want this show, it was never produced on network television.  Won't take you long to figure out why:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1jdv4otbQM

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Posted: 7/8/2014 8:03 AM

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lol. good to see that you Kensucky fans ares still jealous of us.
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Posted: 7/8/2014 9:48 AM

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UniversityofPhoenixTarHeel wrote: lol. good to see that you Kensucky fans ares still jealous of us.

At the rate UNC is going, a degree from the University of Phoenix will soon be more valuable.
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Posted: 7/8/2014 10:52 AM

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UniversityofPhoenixTarHeel wrote: lol. good to see that you Kensucky fans ares still jealous of us.
"Jealous?"  More like disgusted - along with the rest of the country.  On par with UCLA and Sam Gilbert buying players in the 60s and 70s  - but even they couldn't run the scam for 20+ years.  That takes some crazy cheating to pull off - kudos Tar Holes.
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