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Posted: 8/31/2014 5:40 PM

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i've been following western since late 60's/early 70's.

i've seen some dominating defensive performances back in those days.  i've seen us rack up major scores against inferior opponents.

but friday night was the single best performance i've ever witnessed by a western offense in all my years when you consider the various factors ie opponent....new western coach....first game of year.  i ended up leaving at halftime because i'm old and had to get up at 10 til 5 on saturday morning.

i left because i didn't see any possibility of bgsu stopping our offense at any point.  great play calling and great execution by the players.

not sure we'll keep brohm more than a year but i love his swag.  he's a cowboy quarterback that comes from football royalty in the commonwealth.  ima enjoy the ride this year.  i can't imagine a second game dropoff like we had last year at tennessee.  that doesn't mean i think we win at illinois but i certainly feel better about it.

i have a guy in close with the team and their feeling was bgsu was possibly our toughest opponent this year.  we'll soon find out if that was overestimating another team with a new coach.

tl/dr....we got good.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 6:05 PM

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I approve of this message.  Beed, We can talk about WKU QB's through the years who were pass oriented but the truth is, except for the Dave Roberts ERA, WKU has been a run oriented fb program. 

I can remember some awesome running back performances but I don't remember us throwing the ball 56 times in a game. But, when somethings is working well you keep going to it and Doughty was in total command and had the receivers who were confident in their abilities but most importantly were confident in Doughty's ability to be "the man". 

This team is Brandon Doughty's team now and the whole team knows it.   I don't expect another performance like that one but I do expect to see some impressive performances this year.
dahbeed32 wrote: i've been following western since late 60's/early 70's.

i've seen some dominating defensive performances back in those days.  i've seen us rack up major scores against inferior opponents.

but friday night was the single best performance i've ever witnessed by a western offense in all my years when you consider the various factors ie opponent....new western coach....first game of year.  i ended up leaving at halftime because i'm old and had to get up at 10 til 5 on saturday morning.

i left because i didn't see any possibility of bgsu stopping our offense at any point.  great play calling and great execution by the players.

not sure we'll keep brohm more than a year but i love his swag.  he's a cowboy quarterback that comes from football royalty in the commonwealth.  ima enjoy the ride this year.  i can't imagine a second game dropoff like we had last year at tennessee.  that doesn't mean i think we win at illinois but i certainly feel better about it.

i have a guy in close with the team and their feeling was bgsu was possibly our toughest opponent this year.  we'll soon find out if that was overestimating another team with a new coach.

tl/dr....we got good.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 6:59 PM

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dahbeed32 wrote: i have a guy in close with the team and their feeling was bgsu was possibly our toughest opponent this year.  we'll soon find out if that was overestimating another team with a new coach.

tl/dr....we got good.

I can see why they thought that. Going over the advanced stats, BGSU actually played pretty decent, despite the final score differential. They were better than the Toppers on first and second down by a pretty good margin, WKU just demolished them on third down, on both sides of the ball.

A couple more third down stops, conversions, picking up 1-2 of WKU's 3 fumbles, that could've been a different game.

I'm not saying it was a total fluke--WKU's offense is gonna be really great this year, as I've said all along, barring any significant OL injuries.

But will they be THAT good? Probably not...and if they allow so many successful first down/second down plays against other opponents, will WKU be able to shut them down as often as they did BGSU on third? Probably not.

Great first game. Still got some work to do. The Illinois game should be a fun one.

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Posted: 8/31/2014 7:15 PM

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That was definitely no slouch of a team you guys laid a woodshedding on. Honestly, I think you guys could beat Illinois. Illinois's TERRIBLE, comparable to the UK team you guys have beaten the past couple of years. Good luck for the upcoming season! It was definitely an exciting performance to watch!

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Posted: 8/31/2014 7:16 PM

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I concur best offensive performance I've seen in over 40 years of following WKU.

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Posted: 8/31/2014 7:35 PM

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Yes agree.......

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Posted: 8/31/2014 9:09 PM

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Not only was it not a "total fluke" it wasn't fluke like in any way.   The main reason I say that is that Doughty was given great pass protection from our OL and when Doughty has enough time he is going to be dangerous.  He is throwing around 68% the past 5 games and he has improved his receiver corp significantly.   Also, Doughty showed more poise and control and even scrambled a little here and there.
He still lacks the desire to tuck and run when needed but he is a born pocket QB.   

What will be a big test for Doughty is if he is pressured in the pocket.  Will he be able to react well and/or be willing to run a little bit.  I hope our OL plays well next week.  I saw Brandon Ray limp out late in the 2nd half.  I hope he returns for Saturday as well as Mitchell Henry.
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I'm not saying it was a total fluke--WKU's offense is gonna be really great this year, as I've said all along, barring any significant OL injuries.

But will they be THAT good? Probably not...and if they allow so many successful first down/second down plays against other opponents, will WKU be able to shut them down as often as they did BGSU on third? Probably not.

Great first game. Still got some work to do. The Illinois game should be a fun one.

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Posted: 8/31/2014 9:17 PM

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robjbrown99 wrote: Not only was it not a "total fluke" it wasn't fluke like in any way.   
14 third downs of 3rd-and-5 or longer. 10 of those converted into first downs, including a 3rd-and-17 RUN play.

You are very fortunate to get 7-of-14 there, national average would probably be closer to 4-of-14.


Conversely, BGSU CRUISED on first and second down, only to suddenly halt on 3rd down over and over.

Part of that was WKU making big stops. The other part of it was poor execution by BGSU that WKU doesn't need to rely on when playing other teams.


Fumbling three times and recovering all three is also a bit fortunate.


Just as there are nights in basketball where shots fall, and nights where they don't, this was a night where a lot of things went WKU's way. I'm not taking credit from them, it was a huge win. I'm just saying some things need to be tightened up, because they aren't going to be able to convert 10-of-14 third-and-longs every game.

Just like Trency Jackson couldn't go 7-of-9 from 3's every game, like he did at Hilltopper Hysteria. biggrin
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Posted: 8/31/2014 9:30 PM

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Agreed on the 3-0 fumbles being "flukish"  for sure but the 3rd down conversions were a product of both good play calling and game management by Brohm as well as Doughty getting good protection and being in a zone.  

Also, remember the defense wasn't totally bad.  We held them scoreless in the 1st quarter and to only 7 points in the final quarter.  Our defense was simply soft in the quarters 2-3.  We also got some late 3rd quarter pressure on the QB that definitely had him thinking very hard.
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robjbrown99 wrote: Not only was it not a "total fluke" it wasn't fluke like in any way.   
14 third downs of 3rd-and-5 or longer. 10 of those converted into first downs, including a 3rd-and-17 RUN play.

You are very fortunate to get 7-of-14 there, national average would probably be closer to 4-of-14.


Conversely, BGSU CRUISED on first and second down, only to suddenly halt on 3rd down over and over.

Part of that was WKU making big stops. The other part of it was poor execution by BGSU that WKU doesn't need to rely on when playing other teams.


Fumbling three times and recovering all three is also a bit fortunate.


Just as there are nights in basketball where shots fall, and nights where they don't, this was a night where a lot of things went WKU's way. I'm not taking credit from them, it was a huge win. I'm just saying some things need to be tightened up, because they aren't going to be able to convert 10-of-14 third-and-longs every game.

Just like Trency Jackson couldn't go 7-of-9 from 3's every game, like he did at Hilltopper Hysteria. biggrin
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Posted: 9/1/2014 12:33 AM

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agreed beed. it was sublime. if they were the best team, this year will be special. can't wait to see the team improve every week. great post.
dahbeed32 wrote: i've been following western since late 60's/early 70's.

i've seen some dominating defensive performances back in those days.  i've seen us rack up major scores against inferior opponents.

but friday night was the single best performance i've ever witnessed by a western offense in all my years when you consider the various factors ie opponent....new western coach....first game of year.  i ended up leaving at halftime because i'm old and had to get up at 10 til 5 on saturday morning.

i left because i didn't see any possibility of bgsu stopping our offense at any point.  great play calling and great execution by the players.

not sure we'll keep brohm more than a year but i love his swag.  he's a cowboy quarterback that comes from football royalty in the commonwealth.  ima enjoy the ride this year.  i can't imagine a second game dropoff like we had last year at tennessee.  that doesn't mean i think we win at illinois but i certainly feel better about it.

i have a guy in close with the team and their feeling was bgsu was possibly our toughest opponent this year.  we'll soon find out if that was overestimating another team with a new coach.

tl/dr....we got good.
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Posted: 9/1/2014 8:49 AM

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the same guy that told me that also says nacarius fant may be the best receiver we've ever had.  and he got no clock friday unless it was after we left.  

i had someone call me while they were watching practice and they said  fant ran better routes than  anyone they'd  ever seen.  that's 2 sources that don't even know each other telling me fant is gonna be special.

i was out at john deere last week picking up some mower parts.  was talking to coach john oldham and his son 'juice' from haven.  juice asked me what i thought about the football team this year.  i said i don't really know.  that i honestly believed we could win every game or lose every game.  i just see everyone but the top 5-10 teams having about equal talent these days.  comes down to coaching at that point.  looks like we have a good one.


nbtoppers2 wrote:
agreed beed. it was sublime. if they were the best team, this year will be special. can't wait to see the team improve every week. great post.
dahbeed32 wrote: i've been following western since late 60's/early 70's.

i've seen some dominating defensive performances back in those days.  i've seen us rack up major scores against inferior opponents.

but friday night was the single best performance i've ever witnessed by a western offense in all my years when you consider the various factors ie opponent....new western coach....first game of year.  i ended up leaving at halftime because i'm old and had to get up at 10 til 5 on saturday morning.

i left because i didn't see any possibility of bgsu stopping our offense at any point.  great play calling and great execution by the players.

not sure we'll keep brohm more than a year but i love his swag.  he's a cowboy quarterback that comes from football royalty in the commonwealth.  ima enjoy the ride this year.  i can't imagine a second game dropoff like we had last year at tennessee.  that doesn't mean i think we win at illinois but i certainly feel better about it.

i have a guy in close with the team and their feeling was bgsu was possibly our toughest opponent this year.  we'll soon find out if that was overestimating another team with a new coach.

tl/dr....we got good.
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Posted: 9/1/2014 9:49 AM

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I know someone who knows Fant personally...... In his conversation he is leaning toward red shirting..... Then could start for 4 years ..... 

 

Imo mo redshirts in FB are open a few weeks because you always have injuries so you can't make that decision in week 1.     But Fant agrees we are loaded at wr ...... But in this offense there are plenty of opp to go around

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Posted: 9/1/2014 12:15 PM

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Brohm: “The breaks went our way (against) BGSU. The luck went our way. That’s not always going to happen.”

— Chad Bishop (@MrChadBishop) September 1, 2014
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Posted: 9/1/2014 12:24 PM

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I think if you had Brohm in a room and it was just buddy to buddy...

the win and luck would not be in the conversation. Hell no, it would go something like this...

we beat their ass because we out worked them, out coached them, out played them and just better than BG
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Brohm: “The breaks went our way (against) BGSU. The luck went our way. That’s not always going to happen.”

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Posted: 9/1/2014 2:45 PM

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garysbrain wrote: I think if you had Brohm in a room and it was just buddy to buddy...

the win and luck would not be in the conversation. Hell no, it would go something like this...

we beat their ass because we out worked them, out coached them, out played them and just better than BG

Maybe. Here's all I mean.

A 40 percent three-point shooter is gonna average 4-for-10. There are some nights where they are hot and go 8-for-10, and that extra 12 points makes a big difference in the game. But you can't count on that 8-for-10 every night, it took a little luck--even for a great shooter averaging 40 percent--to go 8-for-10.

That's basically WKU's offense going 10-for-14 on third down/passing downs, when you are fortunate to get 7-for-14, and the national average is around 4-for-14.

 

Conversely, WKU's defense gave BGSU some easy layup looks (letting them move the ball easily on first and second down,) then BGSU just point-blank missed the layup. Also something you can't count on every night--Give a team enough easy looks, they are usually going to convert.

 

Not taking credit away from WKU, some third downs they made some great stops, and some third downs they made some great plays. Just like how in some basketball games, the shooter makes some great, tough shots.

But it starts getting ridiculous at some point. Even MJ knows that!

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Posted: 9/1/2014 3:07 PM

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JWellsFOX wrote:

Brohm: “The breaks went our way (against) BGSU. The luck went our way. That’s not always going to happen.”

— Chad Bishop (@MrChadBishop) September 1, 2014
This may be Brohm's first game, but he's no Spring Chicken.  He's been around.  He knows we didn't face a whole lot of adversity Friday.  I think he's confident that our team has heart, but he knows games will hardly ever be that easy.  We could def beat Illinois, but their O-line is big and strong, and if we can't get them off the field, they could wear us down in the 2nd half.  Should be a good game.
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Posted: 9/1/2014 3:18 PM

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But if you go back and watch the game most of those passes are throws BD made consistently at a 64% clip last year. The roll outs that resulted in tds were the same pass BD did twice vs ASU in our last game last year..with the last one counting. Some of our fans (I'm not saying you) are so caught up in the bad game at Tenn that they failed to see just how good BD was last year. I don't remember one pass that BD threw that I would call "lucky" or one he hasn't consistently made.

BD gets in trouble when he forces things but if he's able to see and read the defense without running for his life he's going to make those passes at a high %. Then the question becomes...will our receivers make the first man miss like they did Friday. If luck was involved that's where it was at. I'm sure there will be games where the defense hits and stops us on that first hit.

But this really wasn't what I meant in the first place :)

Behind closed doors buddy to buddy ..with no coach talk, Brohm is not calling that win "luck" he's going to say something similar to what I said... I can say that with 99% confidence. No I'm not his buddy but I know someone who is and the word luck will never come up unless it's in the press and Brohm is saying what all coaches do.

Buddy to Buddy and to his team..

we won by out working them
we won by following our game plan
we won by hitting the weights
we won because the combination of everything we do in practice makes us the better team

Any sport has a degree of luck so that will always play a part in it.
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