Posted: 6/22/2014 8:55 PM
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Posted: 6/23/2014 9:32 AM
WoodyWhite13 wrote: I try to not get into soccer arguments because they aren't productive, but thats apples to oranges. USA did exactly what they should've done. Soccer is just a cruel game sometimes. At the end of every game there are so many what ifs. I'm just glad some of you guys are watching. Come join us at Hilligans in BG for the next game if you want to join the party.
Last edited 6/23/2014 9:32 AM by JWellsFOX
Posted: 6/23/2014 10:02 AM
Posted: 6/23/2014 10:10 AM
robjbrown99 wrote: to lose is watching the USA soccer team play the last 5 minutes scared to lose. Pitiful loss today by USA.We had it and chose to be passive rather than continuing to attack.
Posted: 6/23/2014 10:27 AM
WKUFan518 wrote: I am not a huge soccer expert, but yea you would think our guys could keep track of the only one guy who could have scored that goal with seconds left in contest....
Posted: 6/23/2014 11:15 AM
Posted: 6/23/2014 2:51 PM
Posted: 6/23/2014 3:03 PM
nbtoppers2 wrote: even non-soccer fans knew we choked. i honestly hate soccer but will watch the usa team. you just can't give them that goal. even the goalie choked. there was time to recover on defense. EVERY goal we've given up, this world cup, has been laziness or lack of focus.
Posted: 6/23/2014 3:48 PM
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Last edited 6/23/2014 9:17 PM by bigsciotaaa
Posted: 6/23/2014 9:17 PM
bigsciotaaa wrote: Here's the thing. They didn't "play not to lose", in that situation you're SUPPOSED to play keep away. "Victory formation" or whatever you call it in soccer, where you try to keep the ball away from the other team and run out the clock. You don't "keep attacking" and risk a turnover and a runout the other way. Does anybody remember the hard attack on the right side just 20 seconds before the big turnover in midfield? They weren't playing not to lose. Did they choke? Michael Bradley choked. The goalie absolutely did not choke. There's NOTHING Tim Howard could do on that on a cross that he couldn't intercept. That's unreal. The problem was the turnover in midfield, which you just never expect to happen and then a near-miraculous series of events unfold in about 6 seconds to get downfield. Choke job? It took a miracle to beat the USA. Perhaps one defender could have run back a little differently, but when you're running back in soccer, you don't just sprint back and protect the hoop like you do in basketball, where drawing all your players up the field prevents any of their players from running past your men toward your goal, which would be an offside penalty if they kicked it to him. It wasn't some massive choke job, by any stretch. The turnover was bad, and it created an opportunity for a fantastic historical World Cup shot. There wasn't really enough time to recover on D once that turnover happened. I don't remember if people were out of position, but everybody was sprinting back. It was a choke job in the sense that there was a miscue, but it's not something that, really, has ever happened to any soccer player that has spoken on the topic. If it could be characterized as anything, it was a fluke, despite the fact that it could have been prevented. The goalie absolutely did not choke. If anybody did, Michael Bradley did.
Posted: 6/23/2014 9:45 PM
bigsciotaaa wrote: The goalie absolutely did not choke. If anybody did, Michael Bradley did. And we definitely didn't play not to lose.
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Posted: 6/23/2014 10:36 PM
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Posted: 6/24/2014 1:21 AM
Posted: 6/24/2014 7:34 AM
WoodyWhite13 wrote: I'm curious how much soccer most of you guys watch. I watch more soccer than I do college basketball, and yall know that's a lot. Just curious about where some of these opinions are coming from. I love that there is soccer discussion going on right now though. Good or bad, that's big for the sport. It's hard to apply our American ideas about how sports should be played to soccer though. It's such a unique game. Doesn't quite work the way other sports do. That's what makes it beautiful in my eyes. But I hope you guys are enjoying watching the games. Hope you'll check out some other teams besides USA too. There are fantastic games on every day.
Last edited 6/24/2014 7:37 AM by WKUFan518
Posted: 6/24/2014 8:09 AM
I have noticed, some of the top countries I have watched in this World Cup. the only thing that seems lacking for USA is a guy who can create his own shot and be creative with the ball to get his shot....
Posted: 6/24/2014 10:57 AM
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Posted: 6/24/2014 12:45 PM
WoodyWhite13 wrote: 518, that may be the typical American male in our part of the country, but numbers across the country shows that soccer has already passed baseball and is about even with NBA right now in terms of active fans. The USA vs Portugal game had more people watch it than any World Series or NBA Finals game in years. If you combine ESPN and Univision the game had more viewers than the BCS championship. I think it was Gary Parrish (NCAAB writer) who wrote an article this week saying its time to accept that soccer is mainstream and not just a cult any more. Compared it to sabermetrics in baseball. People may not like it or embrace it, but it's here whether they like it or not.I'm not saying yall are that way, and I'm never the type of person who will argue soccer's merits over any other sport. But for a guy who has diligently watched every World Cup since 98 and who keeps up with every league in the world as much as I can, it's pretty exciting to see the growth the sport is having.
Last edited 6/24/2014 12:49 PM by WKUFan518
Posted: 6/24/2014 2:12 PM
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Posted: 6/24/2014 3:35 PM
Posted: 6/24/2014 10:10 PM
bigsciotaaa wrote: Jordan, did you enjoy Olympic soccer?
Posted: 6/24/2014 10:11 PM
WoodyWhite13 wrote: JW, if you start out watching the top leagues (England, Germany, Spain, Italy) the quality will be as good as the games you see here most of the time. If I'm introducing soccer to someone I start them out with the UEFA Champions League. This is a tournament that includes top teams from all the European leagues. It runs year long as well. Like the name suggests it's basically another league. Those games are extremely high quality. As far as MLS goes, it's definitely making progress. We ranked 8th in world leagues in terms of sending players to the World Cup. MLS will probably never be on the level of those other leagues, at least until ridiculous money starts pouring in, but it's a pretty good quality league. To make a college basketball comparison, MLS would be the A-10 or MVC or world soccer.
Posted: 6/25/2014 3:16 PM
WKUFan518 wrote: WoodyWhite13 wrote: 518, that may be the typical American male in our part of the country, but numbers across the country shows that soccer has already passed baseball and is about even with NBA right now in terms of active fans. The USA vs Portugal game had more people watch it than any World Series or NBA Finals game in years. If you combine ESPN and Univision the game had more viewers than the BCS championship. I think it was Gary Parrish (NCAAB writer) who wrote an article this week saying its time to accept that soccer is mainstream and not just a cult any more. Compared it to sabermetrics in baseball. People may not like it or embrace it, but it's here whether they like it or not.I'm not saying yall are that way, and I'm never the type of person who will argue soccer's merits over any other sport. But for a guy who has diligently watched every World Cup since 98 and who keeps up with every league in the world as much as I can, it's pretty exciting to see the growth the sport is having.Of course, I am into the World Cup too and the ratings are great....Once every 4 years helps ratings when their are only a few matches USA plays every 4 years, so no surprise there its much see TV...If the NBA Finals were very 4 years, I am sure ratings would be through the roof too........But how many Americans follow anything else in soccer once World Cup ends? Sorry I have no interest in the 8000 other soccer leagues including MLS...Just cannot get into anything soccer wise that does not involve USA as a whole playing for their country...I am sure a lot of people feel the same as me too when it comes to soccer...Of course I am not sure JW, but have heard soccer experts liken MLS to like Div. II NCAA basketball, so it appears they have a long ways to go and definitely a drop off in talent compared to other leagues in the world....
Posted: 6/25/2014 5:37 PM
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