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You have $15 dollars to make the best WKU team this century

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Posted: 6/10/2014 6:37 PM

You have $15 dollars to make the best WKU team this century 



I'll go with...

PG: Brazelton ($3)
SG: C-Lee ($5)
SF: Akamune ($2)
PF: Patillo ($2)
C: Wilborn ($3)

Y'all don't want see this team on the fastbreak or press. biggrin

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Posted: 6/10/2014 7:07 PM

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Can I borrow $10.00 from somebody?

 

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Posted: 6/10/2014 7:12 PM

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Good stuff!

Braz ($3)
doesn't matter - (but can only afford TJ at $1)
CLee ($5)
doesn't matter - (but can only afford Siakam at $1)
Marcus ($5)


1,3,5 are the most important positions... Braz is the most game-changing PG on the list, and CLee and Marcus are the most dominant on the list. I can only afford $1 TJ, but he would actually fit nicely at the 2 with his catch and shoot. And Marcus... yikes.

Only thing is, Steff and O'Karo aren't SFs and CLee was a SF in college... Mike Wells was also a SF, though just barely, and ADub was mosly a 2. And Ty and Caden were 2's all the way, Hornacek-Steve Kerr-pure-white-bread shooter. But, I know you had to choose.

Would be interesting to add another 3 or 4 bucks and throw out some coaches... Harper, McDonald, Horn, Felton, Willard.

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Posted: 6/10/2014 7:20 PM

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Marcus ($5)
AW ($4)
TJ ($1)
Pattillo($2)
Brazelton ($3)

Not the quickest team but unless you can score 100+ you are going to lose because with Chris in the paint AW, TJ, and Brazelton...

bombs away.

Outside shot isn't falling all 3 guards can get in the paint and draw fouls and hit difficult shots.

Stop those and Pattillo and Marcus will kill you on dunks....4 rebounders that are drawn to the ball and a pro style center that can post up, hit fts, and the 12 foot shot. We will beat any team you can put together...

bring on the showtime.... old school Celtic style with scorers at all 5 positions wins in the end.

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Posted: 6/10/2014 7:26 PM

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PG-Tyronne Brazelton (3)
SG-TJ Price(1)
SG-Courtney Lee(5)
PF - Boris Siakam (1)
C-Chris Marcus (5)
--Legalism says God will love us if we change. Jesus says He will change us if we surrender to His Love --

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Posted: 6/10/2014 7:30 PM

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Lee - 5
Marcus - 5
Brazleton - 3
Siakam -1
Price - 1
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Posted: 6/10/2014 8:04 PM

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marcus - 5
t-brazzle dazzle - 3  (arguably a 5....a frikkin steal at 3)
a-dub - 4  (wanted to with c-lee for his dee but marcus was the ultimate eraser and a-dub was a clutch mofo and more of a 'demander' in clutch than c-lee)
patillo - 2 (only if ray is my coach....focused....a sick mofo double-double machine)
tj - 1 (with t-brazzle violating the lane tj and a-dub would rain fire down from the wings)

actually give me chris and let me pull 4  of the rest from a hat and i'll more than likely beat you.  chris was the single most dominant force i remember in my years following western.  

DOMINANT.  

yes my squad is the same as gunz.  imagine that!  lofl.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 8:46 PM

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Guns and Beed's lineup may be better than the one I posted.  The difference between CLee and ADub is much, much, much smaller than the difference in Boris and Patillo.  Taking a small hit (if it's even a hit) by downgrading to Adub, gives me a dollar to upgrade from Boris to Patillo.  That dollar has much more value at the 4 spot with Adub being so close to CLee. 

Braz
TJ
CLee
Boris
Marcus

becomes

Braz
TJ 
Adub
Patillo
Marcus

Guns and Beed's is a little less athletic on the perimeter, but probably just as productive.  Way more productive on the interior -- that's a nasty interior.  Perimeter D suffers a bit. 

It would still be cool to get Braz, CLee, and Marcus all on the floor at the same time, but Guns and Beed's might be more solid.

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Posted: 6/10/2014 9:10 PM

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i love your squad as well.  take the dominant marcus, all time leading scorer c-lee, and t-brazzle and you kill. i almost went with c-lee for his quickness over a-dub but the image of chris erasing down low allowed me to go with mr. man, aka antknee mcnasty winchester.  patillo just for being a freak.  his putback dunks from chris drawing so much attention would be sick.

as much swag as patillo and t-brazzle had........a-dub had/has more.  a-dub had/has larry bird indianer swag.  my favorite image of him is having a guy isolated and using a jab step like a scalpel.  the look on him was that no way the defender could check him.  close out he was driving and gonna bull you to the hoop like the streets of pamplona.....back off and he was gonna stick a 3 on you and turn to get back on dee because he knew the shot was down.
bigsciotaaa wrote: Guns and Beed's lineup may be better than the one I posted.  The difference between CLee and ADub is much, much, much smaller than the difference in Boris and Patillo.  Taking a small hit (if it's even a hit) by downgrading to Adub, gives me a dollar to upgrade from Boris to Patillo.  That dollar has much more value at the 4 spot with Adub being so close to CLee. 

Braz
TJ
CLee
Boris
Marcus

becomes

Braz
TJ 
Adub
Patillo
Marcus

Guns and Beed's is a little less athletic on the perimeter, but probably just as productive.  Way more productive on the interior -- that's a nasty interior.  Perimeter D suffers a bit. 

It would still be cool to get Braz, CLee, and Marcus all on the floor at the same time, but Guns and Beed's might be more solid.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 9:39 PM

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IMHO,  If you have T-Braz,Lee and Marcus you only need 2 other guys who are going to fill their role.  Price, to give you one more outside threat (would have preferred Slaughter if I had more points) and Siakam to be a trash man under the basket ( would have preferred wilbourn if I had more points). 

The one flaw in Jordan's point system is that T-Braz is at least a 4 but really a 5.  In fact, I would take T-Braz before I would take OMV because of his speed and I loved OMV.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 9:55 PM

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bigsciotaaa wrote: Good stuff!

Braz ($3)
doesn't matter - (but can only afford TJ at $1)
CLee ($5)
doesn't matter - (but can only afford Siakam at $1)
Marcus ($5)


1,3,5 are the most important positions... Braz is the most game-changing PG on the list, and CLee and Marcus are the most dominant on the list. I can only afford $1 TJ, but he would actually fit nicely at the 2 with his catch and shoot. And Marcus... yikes.

Only thing is, Steff and O'Karo aren't SFs and CLee was a SF in college... Mike Wells was also a SF, though just barely, and ADub was mosly a 2. And Ty and Caden were 2's all the way, Hornacek-Steve Kerr-pure-white-bread shooter. But, I know you had to choose.

Would be interesting to add another 3 or 4 bucks and throw out some coaches... Harper, McDonald, Horn, Felton, Willard.
Yeah since I couldn't get too strict on the criteria with the "2"/"3" spot, just kinda threw those together. I don't mind people mixing and matching in that case, as long as it still ends up $15 biggrin
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Posted: 6/10/2014 10:04 PM

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robjbrown99 wrote: 
The one flaw in Jordan's point system is that T-Braz is at least a 4 but really a 5.  In fact, I would take T-Braz before I would take OMV because of his speed and I loved OMV.
Almost everyone has said this, but I think people are really sleeping on how good OMV was his senior year.

Take a look at Kenpom offensive ratings:

Senior Brazelton (08'): 108.4 rating, 27.9% possessions used.
Senior C-Lee (08'): 116.9 rating, 30.5% possessions used.

Senior OMV (09'): 122.4 rating, albeit a less 21.0% possessions used.

Was it by design OMV wasn't used as much as the others? If he was more aggressive, would his numbers have dropped? Idk. And obviously, defense is important too.

But man, OMV straight carried that team through some games his senior year.


Still though, maybe OMV for $5 was too much. I talked to Beed' before I posted it and I know he said the same thing. But from my subjective take, as much as I liked Brazelton, senior year OMV was HUGE. Only triple-double in school history!
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Posted: 6/10/2014 10:30 PM

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No disrespect to OMV.  He never shined until his senior year but when the light's were on the stage he performed for sure.  So, even if  you made T-Braz a 4, Braz is still better than Derek Robinson for sure.
JWellsFOX wrote:
robjbrown99 wrote: 
The one flaw in Jordan's point system is that T-Braz is at least a 4 but really a 5.  In fact, I would take T-Braz before I would take OMV because of his speed and I loved OMV.
Almost everyone has said this, but I think people are really sleeping on how good OMV was his senior year.

Take a look at Kenpom offensive ratings:

Senior Brazelton (08'): 108.4 rating, 27.9% possessions used.
Senior C-Lee (08'): 116.9 rating, 30.5% possessions used.

Senior OMV (09'): 122.4 rating, albeit a less 21.0% possessions used.

Was it by design OMV wasn't used as much as the others? If he was more aggressive, would his numbers have dropped? Idk. And obviously, defense is important too.

But man, OMV straight carried that team through some games his senior year.


Still though, maybe OMV for $5 was too much. I talked to Beed' before I posted it and I know he said the same thing. But from my subjective take, as much as I liked Brazelton, senior year OMV was HUGE. Only triple-double in school history!
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Posted: 6/10/2014 10:31 PM

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This is a good topic but every lineup needs to start with a dominate big. Not just a dominate big but a dominate big on any team.

C - Marcus - 5

PG - Haynes - $2? No way 14ppg, 4ass and 3.8 rbs is only $2. I loved his game. But where is Mark Bell?

SF - CLEE -5

SG - TJ - $1

PF - Patillo - $2
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Posted: 6/10/2014 10:40 PM

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osu627 wrote: 
PG - Haynes - $2? No way 14ppg, 4ass and 3.8 rbs is only $2. I loved his game. But where is Mark Bell?
This list is only from 2000-on. I might do an all-time list at some point, but I don't even have enough info to 100% accurately rank the guys from 2000-on (like your Antonio Haynes point,) let alone go back ALL the way in WKU's history.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 10:49 PM

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Something people over look about OMV ...defense and rebounding.

you don't have to be the quickest player on the court or jump the highest to play good team defense and rebound. The kid averaged 1.1 steals and 4 rebs

OMV and even Crook are two players people need to keep in mind when they expect instant results the first couple years. Some kids just don't become special till late Jr or even their Sr year.


JWellsFOX wrote:
robjbrown99 wrote: 
The one flaw in Jordan's point system is that T-Braz is at least a 4 but really a 5.  In fact, I would take T-Braz before I would take OMV because of his speed and I loved OMV.
Almost everyone has said this, but I think people are really sleeping on how good OMV was his senior year.

Take a look at Kenpom offensive ratings:

Senior Brazelton (08'): 108.4 rating, 27.9% possessions used.
Senior C-Lee (08'): 116.9 rating, 30.5% possessions used.

Senior OMV (09'): 122.4 rating, albeit a less 21.0% possessions used.

Was it by design OMV wasn't used as much as the others? If he was more aggressive, would his numbers have dropped? Idk. And obviously, defense is important too.

But man, OMV straight carried that team through some games his senior year.


Still though, maybe OMV for $5 was too much. I talked to Beed' before I posted it and I know he said the same thing. But from my subjective take, as much as I liked Brazelton, senior year OMV was HUGE. Only triple-double in school history!
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Posted: 6/10/2014 11:13 PM

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I may not have the winning team here, but you won't convince me that theres a more entertaining team than this one.

PG-Brazelton
SG-Wells
SF-Pettigrew
PF-Patillo
C-Wilborn

We might have trouble scoring the ball in a half court set, but no way any team is scoring on that team. All their points would come off steals and dunks. I would pay a lot of money to watch those guys.

And side topic, can we acknowledge that Mike Wells is probably the most under-appreciated player of the last 30 years? He's never mentioned in conversations of top players, and doesn't have huge numbers, but man he just did so many things so well. Those Felton teams were nothing without him in my eyes.

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Posted: 6/11/2014 9:03 AM

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Best WKU Team this century? That's easy:

 Beed - $3
Guns  - $3
Sciotta - $3
Woody - $3
JWells - $3

 This team has been smackin down opponents all over this board. Undefeated!! excited

I'll even throw in a coach - Ray Harper. I like the taste of the Kool-Aid!!  wink

 This is my team of the Century. eek1

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Posted: 6/11/2014 11:24 AM

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I change mine!  I'm going BIG surrounded by 3 guards.

C -Marcus - $5
PF -Dixon - $4
PG -Haynes - $2
SG -TJ - $1
SG - AJ Slaughter $2

My team will shoot 50% from the floor every game.
My team will be strong from 3pt land.
My team will out rebound everyone.

We are a nightmare match-up for any team.  The only team that could've matched up with us this year would've been UK.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 12:07 PM

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AJ Slaughter ($2)
Anthony Winchester ($4)
David Boyden ($4)
Steffphon Pettigrew ($4)
2013 SBCT Rostov ($1)

Drive and threes for days
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Posted: 6/11/2014 7:30 PM

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Like I said somewhere else, Brazzle-Dazzle, our best PG in decades, is a steal at $3. How come you didn't move it to $18 and price coaches? (Kmac = fiddy cents)

Ralph $5
Dennis $4
RayRay $3
DHova $2
Killer & Kmac 2 fer $1
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Posted: 6/11/2014 7:50 PM

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fail.  you fail.  excuse maker about crook and omv.  fail.  have to produce immediately.

omv's senior year and especially his tourney run was incredible.  he did sh!t in the illinois and gonzaga games that had the tv guys chortling....he'd drag his big sack in the lane and stick some circus shot or make multiple people look stupid with a pass and the tv guys forgot they were doing tv....they'd go 'a hoo hoo hoo....did you SEE THAT'


it was glorious.  i can see him a 5 for that season in this exercise.  flip him with t-brazzle moneywise and i keep my other 4 and add omv.  i honestly believe chd is capable of omv-level play and we won't have to wait until his senior year.  he already has omv-level swag.  his handles are close.  the shooting ability is close...maybe not as deep yet when omv was just getting silly and jacking 30 feet out.  but i see similarities.
garysbrain wrote: Something people over look about OMV ...defense and rebounding.

you don't have to be the quickest player on the court or jump the highest to play good team defense and rebound. The kid averaged 1.1 steals and 4 rebs

OMV and even Crook are two players people need to keep in mind when they expect instant results the first couple years. Some kids just don't become special till late Jr or even their Sr year.


JWellsFOX wrote:
robjbrown99 wrote: 
The one flaw in Jordan's point system is that T-Braz is at least a 4 but really a 5.  In fact, I would take T-Braz before I would take OMV because of his speed and I loved OMV.
Almost everyone has said this, but I think people are really sleeping on how good OMV was his senior year.

Take a look at Kenpom offensive ratings:

Senior Brazelton (08'): 108.4 rating, 27.9% possessions used.
Senior C-Lee (08'): 116.9 rating, 30.5% possessions used.

Senior OMV (09'): 122.4 rating, albeit a less 21.0% possessions used.

Was it by design OMV wasn't used as much as the others? If he was more aggressive, would his numbers have dropped? Idk. And obviously, defense is important too.

But man, OMV straight carried that team through some games his senior year.


Still though, maybe OMV for $5 was too much. I talked to Beed' before I posted it and I know he said the same thing. But from my subjective take, as much as I liked Brazelton, senior year OMV was HUGE. Only triple-double in school history!
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Posted: 6/11/2014 8:59 PM

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DeeCee1 wrote: Like I said somewhere else, Brazzle-Dazzle, our best PG in decades, is a steal at $3. How come you didn't move it to $18 and price coaches? (Kmac = fiddy cents)

Ralph $5
Dennis $4
RayRay $3
DHova $2
Killer & Kmac 2 fer $1
I maintain people are confusing NCAA tournament Brazelton with the overall Brazelton. I love the guy, think he's easily the best steal at $3. And I didn't see Derek Robinson play, so sure, if I'm so far off, switch them and bump Braz up to $4.

But Braz had about the same offensive efficiency as a senior as T.J Price ($1) had as a junior. Braz also had a higher turnover rate as a senior than Crook (also $1). He was great, but he got second team all Sun Belt as a senior in 08'--OMV earned first team honors in 09'.

Like I said, I love the guy, but don't understand the overwhelming opinion that he was easily better than a senior OMV. It's debatable, sure, but shouldn't be a landslide.


As far as coaches, I honestly didn't even think about it. Wish I had did it now noidea
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OMV was spotty pre-tourney, too. But had an amazing NCAA.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 11:42 PM

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JWells, TBraz was a big game player. It was like he never needed the spot light unless we needed a bucket.

I think it was because he was truly an undersized SG that was fast as hell. I think he tried to get others involved.

In big games like MTSU, North Texas, Drake and UCLA he stepped up his game. I always felt we had a weapon just waiting for his time during games.

14.5ppg and shooting 43% from 3 point land is strong.

Great PG and way under valued. At $3. Stats don't tell the whole story.
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Posted: 6/12/2014 12:17 AM

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osu627 wrote: JWells, TBraz was a big game player. It was like he never needed the spot light unless we needed a bucket.

I think it was because he was truly an undersized SG that was fast as hell. I think he tried to get others involved.

In big games like MTSU, North Texas, Drake and UCLA he stepped up his game. I always felt we had a weapon just waiting for his time during games.

14.5ppg and shooting 43% from 3 point land is strong.

Great PG and way under valued. At $3. Stats don't tell the whole story.
OMV--11 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals in 76-72 upset over No. 5 seeded Illinois.
OMV--25 points on 9-for-12 shooting--including 7-for-10 from three-point range--7 assists, 3 rebounds, 1 steal in 83-81 loss to No. 4 seeded Gonzaga.

Did Brazelton have even better NCAA tournament numbers? Sure. But OMV was more consistent over a longer span, getting first team all-league honors.

I get your point, I really do. Everyone's on the same side there, so I can definitely admit I'm maybe wrong.

I just don't think it's a landslide like everyone is making it out to be. OMV did all that with freakin' K-Mac as coach!

If I could go back, I'd switch D-Rob and T-Braz. But I'd still leave OMV at $5 tongue
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Posted: 6/12/2014 3:59 AM

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Sometimes people fall in love with the flash and don't give enough credit to the player that does a lot of things really good but not good enough to stand out like the flashy player.

That's Drob and OMV only OMV had a little more flash. Drob was strong and had the little floater in the lane that was hard to stop...played good defense and a good passer

and the shot he hit vs uk is worth a bump up. The only other thing about Drob he really wasn't a "pg" and his best year was when turd turd ran the point.

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Posted: 6/19/2014 6:31 PM

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Mark Bell $1

Courtney Lee $5

Chris Robinson $2/ subs w/ Darnell Mee $2

Jeremy Evans

Chris Marcus $5

**Oh my bad 3 of our best players ever weren't on the list, fun stuff tho JWells!

My real list, think they would surprise you:

Teeng, Center $2

Jeremy Evans, F $5

Ty Rogers, SF $3

AJ Slaughter, SG $2

Tyrone Brazelton, PG $3
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Posted: 6/19/2014 6:41 PM

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9394TopsFan wrote: Mark Bell $1

Courtney Lee $5

Chris Robinson $2/ subs w/ Darnell Mee $2

Jeremy Evans

Chris Marcus $5

**Oh my bad 3 of our best players ever weren't on the list, fun stuff tho JWells!

My real list, think they would surprise you:

Teeng, Center $2

Jeremy Evans, F $5

Ty Rogers, SF $3

AJ Slaughter, SG $2

Tyrone Brazelton, PG $3
Only guys that played since 2000 made it biggrin. I'm not familiar enough with Topper history past that, I would have butchered the list.

Definitely not a bad real team though.
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Posted: 6/19/2014 6:47 PM

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Define best ever? as in top 5, 10, 20, 50 you get the point
9394TopsFan wrote: Mark Bell $1

Courtney Lee $5

Chris Robinson $2/ subs w/ Darnell Mee $2

Jeremy Evans

Chris Marcus $5

**Oh my bad 3 of our best players ever weren't on the list, fun stuff tho JWells!

My real list, think they would surprise you:

Teeng, Center $2

Jeremy Evans, F $5

Ty Rogers, SF $3

AJ Slaughter, SG $2

Tyrone Brazelton, PG $3
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