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IRS hired Sonasoft to backup emails starting in 05

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Posted: 6/22/2014 4:52 PM

IRS hired Sonasoft to backup emails starting in 05 


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Posted: 6/22/2014 5:41 PM

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Good grief. Your posts really gives me high blood pressure. Jesus./ 
IOP25 wrote: IRS needs to be shut down.

www.breitbart.com/Big-Governme...-Backup-Company
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Posted: 6/22/2014 5:46 PM

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Something a little lighter. If you ever have a chance to see this guy, do it.

www.cc.com/video-clips/k352ah/...-eat-a-pop-tart
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Posted: 6/22/2014 6:25 PM

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HAHA. A fatter version of Jim Carey. 

IOP25 wrote: Something a little lighter. If you ever have a chance to see this guy, do it.

www.cc.com/video-clips/k352ah/...-eat-a-pop-tart
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Posted: 6/22/2014 7:47 PM

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I haven't looked into this issue deeply, but the claim is that her computer crashed and the emails were lost. That doesn't pass tech mustard at that level...for at least the reasons of the OP. I would be surprised if they didn't leave the emails on the email servers...not 1 PC.

Greta Vanrough2watch said on the radio earlier that she didn't believe this is a big deal in the IRS scandal because the timing of the lost emails...fwetw.

I tend to think this could actually be incompetence not scandal related. I know the people questioning in the hearings are incompetent at that. Bunch of grand standing and no questions about 10 million IT guys would run through in 20 minutes. The closest I heard was a question about the hard drive and then they bitched about standard data security and recycling procedures.
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Posted: 6/22/2014 7:51 PM

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This is a question for those of you who are computer experts. Suppose I sent an email to the POTUS. If my computer crashed with no backup, wouldn't my message still be on the POTUS's computer?
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Posted: 6/22/2014 8:15 PM

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I'm sure it's a bit more complicated at the gov level because they could route emails through multiple servers. Normally you have the sender pc >> sender server >> incoming server/s >> incoming pc/s...nsa in there somewhere.

In an avg situation you can login to your email server or set up an email client (Outlook, forward to gmail, etc) on your pc, phone, tablet. When you setup that email client on those devices you pick imap or pop...pop I think just copies from the server to your devices email clients. The imap option pulls the emails off the server. I might have the 2 types of setting reversed...can never remember that.

So, in some average office with an average server setup...yes, you could keep all your emails on one pc and not have a backup other than that pc. But you still have the email trail shown above. In the government's case there could/should be a couple of additional steps in that trail including complete server backups like the op is about.

I just don't understand why someone doesn't say show me pc/server 1-?.

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Posted: 6/22/2014 8:29 PM

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I'm sure it's a bit more complicated at the gov level because they could route emails through multiple servers. Normally you have the sender pc >> sender server >> incoming server/s >> incoming pc/s...nsa in there somewhere.

In an avg situation you can login to your email server or set up an email client (Outlook, forward to gmail, etc) on your pc, phone, tablet. When you setup that email client on those devices you pick imap or pop...pop I think just copies from the server to your devices email clients. The imap option pulls the emails off the server. I might have the 2 types of setting reversed...can never remember that.

So, in some average office with an average server setup...yes, you could keep all your emails on one pc and not have a backup other than that pc. But you still have the email trail shown above. In the government's case there could/should be a couple of additional steps in that trail including complete server backups like the op is about.

I just don't understand why someone doesn't say show me pc/server 1-?.

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Posted: 6/22/2014 8:44 PM

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I don't believe it's remotely possible to lose an e-mail...anywhere...anytime...unless the NSA says so. And even then.... ;-)
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Posted: 6/22/2014 9:02 PM

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That stuff is backed up. I worked as a contractor for the USGS for awhile. And they backed up every e-mail. Plus you both had each others e-mail. If they do it at the United State Geological Survey, you know they do it at the IRS.

And there is no reason to do what your doing unless your hiding something.

Sorry, but if this was a Republican President, Democrats and the media would be howling right now.
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Posted: 6/22/2014 10:46 PM

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Emails are not kept on individual PCs...they are in pst files on a share drive that creates a roaming profile. About 15 things would have to fail for these emails to be lost. Absolutely no way a computer crash did this.
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Posted: 6/24/2014 6:30 AM

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Posted: 6/24/2014 10:18 AM

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Do you guys want a technical answer, or the answer you want to hear?
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Posted: 6/24/2014 10:22 AM

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^^
You just answered. ;-)
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Posted: 6/24/2014 10:29 AM

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Nebula wrote: Do you guys want a technical answer, or the answer you want to hear?
I just want the TRUTH about the IRS and lost e-mails..

WT
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Posted: 6/24/2014 10:42 AM

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You want the truth?  You can't handle the truth!

WalkingTall wrote:  I just want the TRUTH about the IRS and lost e-mails..

WT
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Posted: 6/24/2014 10:46 AM

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The Truth?

That's one ugly biotch.
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Posted: 6/24/2014 11:17 AM

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I can't tell you what happened at the IRS.

But I can tell you from experience, servers crash all the time and there are many times when backups were not tested. When you go to restore, corrupted. This is the gov't we are talking about.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"
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Posted: 6/24/2014 12:17 PM

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and the irony of course (one of the many) is that if YOUR (any of us) hard drive crashed and you couldn't provide a copy of your 2008 receipts you likely would be found guilty of a violation of the tax code and perhaps be sent to prison and would certainly be considered guilty until proven innocent.
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Posted: 6/24/2014 12:22 PM

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Nebula, so you think it is more likely that incriminating information just happened to get lost at exactly the time it was being requested vs the other possibility that someone intentionally erased the data?

How often do your servers crash and your data is not recoverable? We have backups upon backups that can get accessed at the drop of a hat, and we are a midsize engineering firm. I don't know how any credible IT person would not be at least skeptical of these files accidentally getting lost due to a crash at a convenient time.

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I can't tell you what happened at the IRS.

But I can tell you from experience, servers crash all the time and there are many times when backups were not tested. When you go to restore, corrupted. This is the gov't we are talking about.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"

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