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Ok, smart guys.. What's your take on this?

Posted: 6/21/2014 9:43 PM

Ok, smart guys.. What's your take on this? 


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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:09 PM

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Not a smart guy...but I'll pretend to be one.

I'll assume that Al Jizinyourpants can be replaced with FOX or CNN as the source (ruling out the terror angle). biggrin

My premises:

1.  Kids who play college football and basketball would not be admitted into their respective  colleges if normal admission standards were applied. (I'll peg it at 10% for those who would make it)
2.  If you believe the first premise, it's a pretty easy leap in logic that the kids are in school just to play football or basketball (one and done for BB, two and done for FB).
3.  The value of a free degree (aka scholly) is severely overstated when that degree has very little value in the real world (see UNC rubber stamp diploma system).

I believe that Sammy Watkins or Tajh Boyd should get a % of jersey sales (otherwise, just retire 00 for all schools and make it the only jersey number sold for all schools).

I believe that all players should get a % of video game rights where their numbers are used (if not, just make all jerseys 00).

Getting paid for autographs is also acceptable.  How many college football players actually have the swag to command money? (consider there are over 10,000 players on schollies every year--math is loose with 85 players X 120 teams in D-1)

What's going to be interesting is that there is an NFL developmental league in the works called the FXFL which will push the issue further.

http://profootballtalk.nbcspor...p-with-the-nfl/



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Posted: 6/22/2014 6:46 AM

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Getting paid for autographs? I can see Bobby Lowder giving Cam Newton $20,000 for his autograph 3 or 4 times a year.
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Posted: 6/22/2014 11:05 AM

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I couldn't agree more. Spot on. 
fhellandjr wrote: Not a smart guy...but I'll pretend to be one.

I'll assume that Al Jizinyourpants can be replaced with FOX or CNN as the source (ruling out the terror angle). biggrin

My premises:

1.  Kids who play college football and basketball would not be admitted into their respective  colleges if normal admission standards were applied. (I'll peg it at 10% for those who would make it)
2.  If you believe the first premise, it's a pretty easy leap in logic that the kids are in school just to play football or basketball (one and done for BB, two and done for FB).
3.  The value of a free degree (aka scholly) is severely overstated when that degree has very little value in the real world (see UNC rubber stamp diploma system).

I believe that Sammy Watkins or Tajh Boyd should get a % of jersey sales (otherwise, just retire 00 for all schools and make it the only jersey number sold for all schools).

I believe that all players should get a % of video game rights where their numbers are used (if not, just make all jerseys 00).

Getting paid for autographs is also acceptable.  How many college football players actually have the swag to command money? (consider there are over 10,000 players on schollies every year--math is loose with 85 players X 120 teams in D-1)

What's going to be interesting is that there is an NFL developmental league in the works called the FXFL which will push the issue further.

http://profootballtalk.nbcspor...p-with-the-nfl/



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Posted: 6/22/2014 2:04 PM

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Players should get a stipend (few hundred per month) with the ability to get royalties for jersey sales and video game sales but not until they leave the university.  Giving them the opportunity to sell autographs or any other form of current compensation will open Pandora's box in terms of cheating. 

While the value of a sociology or black studies degree is not the same as an engineering degree, it does open opportunities that would otherwise not be available to a young man in a small town with no degree.
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Posted: 6/22/2014 4:01 PM

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My take is DR has way to many tats for a borderline player. Hopefully they can be covered by a long sleeve shirt. Roll out into the real world looking like Lil Wayne and you will not be hired.
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Posted: 6/22/2014 4:03 PM

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Who cares if he's already in college?
TigerDelk wrote: Getting paid for autographs? I can see Bobby Lowder giving Cam Newton $20,000 for his autograph 3 or 4 times a year.
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Posted: 6/22/2014 4:06 PM

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If it becomes legal for college players it will also apply to HS players. Plus the promise of future payments.

fhellandjr wrote: Who cares if he's already in college?
TigerDelk wrote: Getting paid for autographs? I can see Bobby Lowder giving Cam Newton $20,000 for his autograph 3 or 4 times a year.
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Posted: 6/23/2014 1:07 AM

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Why would it apply to HS players?

EDIT:  I left it out of my earlier long winded treatise, but I also wonder about the $250K scholly number that's tossed around when SEC teams pull a scholly to make room for a better player. Just business right?
TigerDelk wrote: If it becomes legal for college players it will also apply to HS players. Plus the promise of future payments.

fhellandjr wrote: Who cares if he's already in college?
TigerDelk wrote: Getting paid for autographs? I can see Bobby Lowder giving Cam Newton $20,000 for his autograph 3 or 4 times a year.

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Posted: 6/23/2014 6:49 AM

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Why would it not apply to HS players? What is the difference between the college player and the HS player?

fhellandjr wrote: Why would it apply to HS players?

EDIT:  I left it out of my earlier long winded treatise, but I also wonder about the $250K scholly number that's tossed around when SEC teams pull a scholly to make room for a better player. Just business right?
TigerDelk wrote: If it becomes legal for college players it will also apply to HS players. Plus the promise of future payments.

fhellandjr wrote: Who cares if he's already in college?
TigerDelk wrote: Getting paid for autographs? I can see Bobby Lowder giving Cam Newton $20,000 for his autograph 3 or 4 times a year.
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Posted: 6/23/2014 10:10 AM

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HS player to college player?  Obviously there are huge differences.  Let's just start with college football has a multi-billion $ TV deal and people buy jerseys of their favorite players.

The Bobby Lowders of the world are going to find a way to get $$$ to the players no matter what rules are in place.
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Posted: 6/23/2014 10:22 AM

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fhellandjr wrote: HS player to college player?  Obviously there are huge differences.  Let's just start with college football has a multi-billion $ TV deal and people buy jerseys of their favorite players.

The Bobby Lowders of the world are going to find a way to get $$$ to the players no matter what rules are in place.
But the HS football teams do make money, right?  For the highschools?  Maybe we can split the difference because kids are required to go to public schools, and not to colleges.  But I can see someone making that next small leap very quickly.

I get that boosters will get money to kids regardless, I just think that we're bringing above the table, the outright buying of kids' services.  For example, wait till ESPN starts talking about how the signatures of SEC kids, or Texas kids,  are selling for more than any other conference.  I think we, and others, lose ground with this, not just remain where we are....

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Posted: 6/23/2014 10:50 AM

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Texas HS football growing fast: UIL state tournament revenue tops $1.5M; plans for increased live TV in works


fhellandjr wrote: HS player to college player?  Obviously there are huge differences.  Let's just start with college football has a multi-billion $ TV deal and people buy jerseys of their favorite players.

The Bobby Lowders of the world are going to find a way to get $$$ to the players no matter what rules are in place.
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Posted: 6/23/2014 11:54 AM

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People are already paying for the autographs...it's just the players aren't getting a cut (legitimately).  And sure HS football is big in some areas but it's not creating $2MM--$5MM/year jobs for state employees (aka the head football coach).

I'm not sure if HS football teams make money or not.  I'd guess a lot of the larger ones might, but most probably make enough to cover costs.

I'd be OK if they went the other way and just banned college players from signing anything.
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Posted: 6/23/2014 1:06 PM

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fhellandjr wrote:
I'm not sure if HS football teams make money or not.  I'd guess a lot of the larger ones might, but most probably make enough to cover costs.
One of the many possible ways this will get screwed up is that disparity, on the college level and eventually the HS level.  People will point to Bama, UT etc and talk about how much money the colleges are making. Then a rule will be proposed that the larger schools can easily afford, but a lot of the smaller schools can't.

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Posted: 6/23/2014 1:35 PM

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Afraid it's already headed that way.  There's basically 60 big time college football programs and you could probably tier those to the point where you've got 30 schools that can compete...$$$, facilities, etc.  Creating Big 10, SEC and the Longhorn Network was just the start.  I think you'll lose a lot of the fans but it won't matter since the TV money is so huge.

I guess one way they could level the playing field down the road is dropping the number of schollies?
TriathTiger wrote:
fhellandjr wrote:
I'm not sure if HS football teams make money or not.  I'd guess a lot of the larger ones might, but most probably make enough to cover costs.
One of the many possible ways this will get screwed up is that disparity, on the college level and eventually the HS level.  People will point to Bama, UT etc and talk about how much money the colleges are making. Then a rule will be proposed that the larger schools can easily afford, but a lot of the smaller schools can't.
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Posted: 6/23/2014 3:12 PM

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What about Title IV or whatever. What happens when Jackie the softball player says it's unfair that we pay the football players but she isn't getting paid, and then every single school has to pay out to every single athlete. It just will never happen, IMO because of that.
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Posted: 6/23/2014 4:28 PM

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He just needs to tell them, "I believe that players should be paid and that the Caliph should be established along bloodlines.  Al Mahdi is coming!"

See what reaction that gets.
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Posted: 6/23/2014 4:32 PM

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I think you'll see a lot of the non-revenue sports fall by the wayside.  Title IX is about schollies, not $$'s.  I guess the Tennessee and UConn women bball players could make a revenue claim.

But you're right, it's probably going to get a lot messier.
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Posted: 6/23/2014 6:21 PM

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Still waiting on the smart guys to respond. Wherefore art thou?
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