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Another city in Iraq has fallen.

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Posted: 6/11/2014 12:10 PM

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Yesterday it was Mosul. Nation building never works. Lots of people gave their lives for nothing. 

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2...ity-overrun-by/
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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:45 PM

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Damn shame but you are dead on. What a travesty. 
moodrude wrote: Yesterday it was Mosul. Nation building never works. Lots of people gave their lives for nothing. 

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2...ity-overrun-by/
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Posted: 6/11/2014 2:00 PM

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Was a given from day 1.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 2:10 PM

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kareem, you are probably very right...I had way more optimism about it at the time, maybe my judgement was clouded having spent so much time dealing with it...

i still believe the masses (iraqis) do not wish what is happening now...500,000 + evacuated Mosul before AQI rolled back in...ie, they certainly aren't interested in living under AQI...

maliki has really fooked this up...shia domination over the former sunni ruling class...the sunnis just quit even trying to work with maliki...allowed AQI to roam free...

i'll never understand how this admin could not come to some kind of SOFA with iraq...even a residual force, like we are leaving in afghanistan could have stopped all of this...and we would have a couple of geographically important air bases still there...

we gave up a lot, just to let it all fall back into the hands of AQ...

and imho, that is a shame...
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Posted: 6/11/2014 2:43 PM

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Exactly, cookie !   Obama will turn two victories into two defeats and totally waste the sacrifices of our Country , especially the lives of over 4,000  Americans .  AL Qaida is on the rise under Obama and we will be attacked by them again. He is surrendering ...unfortunately for us ...they are not !
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Posted: 6/11/2014 3:08 PM

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Wait what? I thought Barry said Al Queda was on the decline, decimated and on the run?
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Posted: 6/11/2014 3:12 PM

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Globally, yes...but they regrouped in Iraq. ;-)


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Wait what? I thought Barry said Al Queda was on the decline, decimated and on the run?

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Posted: 6/11/2014 3:21 PM

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Like anyone really ever believed that. 
moodrude wrote: Wait what? I thought Barry said Al Queda was on the decline, decimated and on the run?
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Posted: 6/11/2014 3:41 PM

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The lap dog media did. Most people weren't buying what the media was selling.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 4:45 PM

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This group is to extreme for the Taliban. 30 towns/cities in Iraq and Syria are being controlled by those dickheads.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 4:53 PM

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If that country falls completely it will be worse than when Sadaam was running the show.

Iran, Syria, exremists, etc, will see to that.

Cluster fk from the start. The change we were looking to instill has to be adopted by the populous and they have to fight for it. That won't happen as long as they can't remove their religious beliefs from their governing.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 4:59 PM

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get ready...turkey preparing forces...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...ggest-city.html
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Posted: 6/11/2014 5:07 PM

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Countdown to WWIII is on.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 6:30 PM

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I guess we'll really get to see if Iraq has WMD's?

I've been pretty pissed with our post war actions since WWII....we should have colonized the world and been done with it.  Rebuilding the nations you defeat in warfare and not taking the spoils is BS.


F16Cook wrote: get ready...turkey preparing forces...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...ggest-city.html
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Posted: 6/11/2014 7:31 PM

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imho yes...we never freakin learn anything...

we just recycle pubs/dems who revisit the same issues...

one thing i learned at the national war college in DC...seldom do politics and actual warfare realities meet...


IOP25 wrote: Countdown to WWIII is on.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 7:39 PM

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honestly, WMD chems....likely in syria or sudan...

or we will find out in a couple hundred yrs when the buried barrels start leaking...

that stuff is somewhere, UN documented...gone...only about 3 places in the world to legitimately destroy it...one can't, just pour it down the drain...


fhellandjr wrote: I guess we'll really get to see if Iraq has WMD's?

I've been pretty pissed with our post war actions since WWII....we should have colonized the world and been done with it.  Rebuilding the nations you defeat in warfare and not taking the spoils is BS.


F16Cook wrote: get ready...turkey preparing forces...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...ggest-city.html
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Posted: 6/11/2014 8:06 PM

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Posted: 6/11/2014 9:32 PM

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If that country falls completely it will be worse than when Sadaam was running the show.

Iran, Syria, exremists, etc, will see to that.

Cluster fk from the start. The change we were looking to instill has to be adopted by the populous and they have to fight for it. That won't happen as long as they can't remove their religious beliefs from their governing.

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Iran and Syria is not behind this. They are actually on the side of Maliki.

ISIS is an organization that was armed by Saudi, Qatar, Bahrain, and UAE. Trained in Turkey and Western Iraq for the purpose of overthrowing Bashar Al-Assad. The problem was these countries did not vet who they were supplying arms and training to. And ISIS took advantage of the lawlessness of Syria to use their skills.

ISIS initial strategy was sound. FSA, Free Syrian Army, would win an area. Then the FSA would advance. Once FSA left, ISIS would take over politically for those towns. They would bring back water, schools, and food. By doing this, they won a lot of local support in Eastern Syria.

What FSA did not understand until it was almost too late is that ISIS was backstabbing the FSA. By assassinating leaders and capturing soldiers as they took over towns that FSA was conquering. In the meantime, their forces were growing by (countries above recruiting) and local support from towns they were 'helping'. And they were doing very little fighting against Assad.

In fact, Assad figured this out before FSA. And started letting ISIS prisoners go. Assad's strategy is to destroy FSA and it just be him vs ISIS. In that scenario, the global community would be forced to support Assad. Which goes to the theory that Assad and ISIS are working together. They are, but only so they can fight a 1 vs 1 match-up.

ISIS has also allowed for Syrian forces to fight harder for Assad. As their motto is "send the Christians to Beirut and the Alawites to He11." The Art of War tells you, if soldiers believe that there is no surrender, they will fight much harder.

The irony is, Turkey, Qatar, SA, and UAE all know that this is something they helped create. Like Frankenstein's monster, they now have no idea how to get rid of it.

If you would like to know more about ISIS strategy, here is a great map of the Syrian Civil War.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template...ar_detailed_map

Regime is red, rebels are green, ISIS is black. In particular, zoom in on Aleppo and Deir ez-Zor.

Aleepo is a place where this strategy has succeeded. ISIS is now up on Syrian Regime Forces. But, if you would have looked at it 5 months ago, what was in black to the east was green.

In Deir, its happening right now as I type. If you zoom in on Deir, you will see that if ISIS Zahur neighborhood on the bridge. They will cut off FSA troops across on the other side. It took years for FSA to cross that bridge and gain a foothold on the western side. And now their about to lose everything.

The only group that figured out what was going on fairly quickly was the Kurds. Their the one group that has held off ISIS in Syria. And shocked that they haven't been pushing back in Iraq. The problem for the Kurds is they have no international support. They are basically on their own.

If I had to guess, the Kurds will hit Mosul fairly soon. They will not attack in mass, but they will hit supply lines, communication areas, or anything that is not well-guarded. And drive ISIS crazy. What ISIS has found with fighting the Kurds is winning land is one-thing, but maintaining it is a major issue.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 9:42 PM

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Didn't Cheney and bush say that one year in to the second longest war in our nations history? Greeted with open arms and parades?

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Wait what? I thought Barry said Al Queda was on the decline, decimated and on the run?

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Posted: 6/11/2014 9:45 PM

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very good denis...one projected hope and optimism...with some backing...

one picked up his ball and went home like the metrosexual pussy he is ....and left us with this mess...

it would have been so simple...just keep a little...an air base or two...

they may have had a chance...but remember, libs hate iraq where we had a real chance (albeit a small one) to make a difference...but we'll keep residual forces in afghanistan...the most corrupt unsustainable terrorist state known to man...the war u libs like...

iraq just bought 40 block 50 F-16s, first one delivered this week....billions and billions and billions in future oil/gas/mil contracts...

all of our contractors left balad today from the F-16 contract to Baghdad...billions of dollars lost...so we can evac them out soon...

because global nobel peace prize barry had a political agenda to achieve...

f u denis...i have bros dead there...u wouldn't have a clue...




TigersontheRock wrote:
Didn't Cheney and bush say that one year in to the second longest war in our nations history? Greeted with open arms and parades?

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Wait what? I thought Barry said Al Queda was on the decline, decimated and on the run?

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