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I work with 2 hardcore Ohio State fans (from Ohio) and have

Posted: 1/2/2013 3:09 PM

I work with 2 hardcore Ohio State fans (from Ohio) and have 


been in many heated arguments over the greatest rivalry. I have maintained Carolina/Climpsun and Alabama/Auburn are the 2 most heated rivalries in college football. they won't hear of it, even though both of them admit they have never really personally known any Michigan fans who they hate so much. Carolina/Climpsun actually pre-dates Ohio State/Michigan by 1 year and 1 game (despite the break in the early 1900s).

So I go to the Ohio State boards yesterday and was surprised to find that about 20% of their fans were actually pulling for Michigan because of conference affiliation. to me, that proves my point.

have you ever seen any TRUE Carolina or Climpsun fan pull for the other under any circumstance? and I mean TRUE fan, not those idiots with their "house divided" bullshit stuck on the front of their cars.
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Posted: 1/2/2013 3:25 PM

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The thing is, if not house-divided, lives divided. I grew up with Carolina friends....and they'll be friends until I kill them! LOL!
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Posted: 1/2/2013 3:48 PM

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GoGamecocks02 wrote: been in many heated arguments over the greatest rivalry. I have maintained Carolina/Climpsun and Alabama/Auburn are the 2 most heated rivalries in college football. they won't hear of it, even though both of them admit they have never really personally known any Michigan fans who they hate so much. Carolina/Climpsun actually pre-dates Ohio State/Michigan by 1 year and 1 game (despite the break in the early 1900s).

So I go to the Ohio State boards yesterday and was surprised to find that about 20% of their fans were actually pulling for Michigan because of conference affiliation. to me, that proves my point.

have you ever seen any TRUE Carolina or Climpsun fan pull for the other under any circumstance? and I mean TRUE fan, not those idiots with their "house divided" bullshit stuck on the front of their cars.

I agree. Granted it's different since we aren't in the same conference, but I could not picture any of our fans pulling for the other, not counting the few who say they want both state schools to do well.
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Posted: 1/2/2013 3:50 PM

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GoGamecocks02 wrote: been in many heated arguments over the greatest rivalry. I have maintained Carolina/Climpsun and Alabama/Auburn are the 2 most heated rivalries in college football. they won't hear of it, even though both of them admit they have never really personally known any Michigan fans who they hate so much. Carolina/Climpsun actually pre-dates Ohio State/Michigan by 1 year and 1 game (despite the break in the early 1900s).

So I go to the Ohio State boards yesterday and was surprised to find that about 20% of their fans were actually pulling for Michigan because of conference affiliation. to me, that proves my point.

have you ever seen any TRUE Carolina or Climpsun fan pull for the other under any circumstance? and I mean TRUE fan, not those idiots with their "house divided" bullshit stuck on the front of their cars.

You obviously don't live in a "House Divided" or you might begin to understand.
But I'll give you some insight.  It is not the schools that hate each other.  It is fan to fan. When most of us say we "hate" Usuc, what we really are saying is that we hate the attitudes that some of it's more arrogant fans take towards Clemson and Clemson fans And while I understand that feeling and that experiences I describe  are surely reciprocal, I am speaking only from my side.  We remember some shi**y comments or behavior we saw exhibited that happened along the way in our lives.  We are really no differnt than any sports fans. 

But it is virtually impossible to live in SC and not have friends and family who don't have a mix of Orange or Garnet in their lives. We marry gamecocks. Our children marry them.  Our  children or grandchildren decide they want to cross over because of study areas or just because they decided somwhere along the way that they liked one instead of the other.

I go into this detail because all too often I hear or read comments like "NO TRUE FAN" would do this or that.  I wonder who annointed those people GOD and gave them the perfect insight on what attitude everyone else should have? Arab terroists have a similar attitude as did the NAZIs. Zero tolerance.  Only they could be right and anyone who didn't?doesn't agree with them isn't a "TRUE" this or that.

You are probably relatively young, probably not married to a Clemson fan or have any close family that are Clemson fans.  So it is easier to see why you might say what you said.  But I will assure you, as you get older (and presumably wiser) you will come to realize that the people you love and call your friends mean a whole lot more than what school they route for in sports.  There are a number of gamecocks I am not fond of.  There are also a lot of whom I am, not the least of which is my wife of 18 years. She loves her gamecocks, but she also loves me so she pulls for the Tigers with equal enthusiasm. That being the case, how does a "true" husband and partner pull against her team ?  Do you deep down really believe that as a Clemson fan, I could not still appreciate that game Scar played against Michigan yesterday?  Why would I pull for Michigan?   Can you tell me that you are such an SEC Homo that your didn't appreciate the guts and balls it took for Clemson to beat a team like LSU? Really?

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Posted: 1/2/2013 4:06 PM

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Living in the Atlanta area where so few coot fans live compared to Ga Tech and FSU fans live it is not as big a rivalry for me as is it is to some. Growing up the biggest rivalry for me was (and still should be IMO) the leghumpers.
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Posted: 1/2/2013 4:11 PM

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Tufftiger75 wrote:
GoGamecocks02 wrote: been in many heated arguments over the greatest rivalry. I have maintained Carolina/Climpsun and Alabama/Auburn are the 2 most heated rivalries in college football. they won't hear of it, even though both of them admit they have never really personally known any Michigan fans who they hate so much. Carolina/Climpsun actually pre-dates Ohio State/Michigan by 1 year and 1 game (despite the break in the early 1900s).

So I go to the Ohio State boards yesterday and was surprised to find that about 20% of their fans were actually pulling for Michigan because of conference affiliation. to me, that proves my point.

have you ever seen any TRUE Carolina or Climpsun fan pull for the other under any circumstance? and I mean TRUE fan, not those idiots with their "house divided" bullshit stuck on the front of their cars.

You obviously don't live in a "House Divided" or you might begin to understand.
But I'll give you some insight.  It is not the schools that hate each other.  It is fan to fan. When most of us say we "hate" Usuc, what we really are saying is that we hate the attitudes that some of it's more arrogant fans take towards Clemson and Clemson fans And while I understand that feeling and that experiences I describe  are surely reciprocal, I am speaking only from my side.  We remember some shi**y comments or behavior we saw exhibited that happened along the way in our lives.  We are really no differnt than any sports fans. 

But it is virtually impossible to live in SC and not have friends and family who don't have a mix of Orange or Garnet in their lives. We marry gamecocks. Our children marry them.  Our  children or grandchildren decide they want to cross over because of study areas or just because they decided somwhere along the way that they liked one instead of the other.

I go into this detail because all too often I hear or read comments like "NO TRUE FAN" would do this or that.  I wonder who annointed those people GOD and gave them the perfect insight on what attitude everyone else should have? Arab terroists have a similar attitude as did the NAZIs. Zero tolerance.  Only they could be right and anyone who didn't?doesn't agree with them isn't a "TRUE" this or that.

You are probably relatively young, probably not married to a Clemson fan or have any close family that are Clemson fans.  So it is easier to see why you might say what you said.  But I will assure you, as you get older (and presumably wiser) you will come to realize that the people you love and call your friends mean a whole lot more than what school they route for in sports.  There are a number of gamecocks I am not fond of.  There are also a lot of whom I am, not the least of which is my wife of 18 years. She loves her gamecocks, but she also loves me so she pulls for the Tigers with equal enthusiasm. That being the case, how does a "true" husband and partner pull against her team ?  Do you deep down really believe that as a Clemson fan, I could not still appreciate that game Scar played against Michigan yesterday?  Why would I pull for Michigan?   Can you tell me that you are such an SEC Homo that your didn't appreciate the guts and balls it took for Clemson to beat a team like LSU? Really?

Good post.  It puts a lot of things into perspective.  One of my two best friends is a Gamecock fan, and all of my wifes family is as well.  I will never pull for them to win a game, and none of them will ever pull for Clemson, but we also never give each other a hard time about our teams, and talk about the games in a civil way.  A friend and me were actually talking about something similar on the way home where he has a Gamecock fan that he works with whose daughter is in high school and is considering going to Clemson, and he told her that if she does he won't give her any money to live on, or come to visit her ever, or help her move.  We talked about as much as we "hate" the Carolina football team how sad that is that a person would let the sports team that they pull for impact their relationship with their family, or let it influence the education of their child.
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Posted: 1/2/2013 4:23 PM

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clemson2002 wrote:
Tufftiger75 wrote:
GoGamecocks02 wrote: been in many heated arguments over the greatest rivalry. I have maintained Carolina/Climpsun and Alabama/Auburn are the 2 most heated rivalries in college football. they won't hear of it, even though both of them admit they have never really personally known any Michigan fans who they hate so much. Carolina/Climpsun actually pre-dates Ohio State/Michigan by 1 year and 1 game (despite the break in the early 1900s).

So I go to the Ohio State boards yesterday and was surprised to find that about 20% of their fans were actually pulling for Michigan because of conference affiliation. to me, that proves my point.

have you ever seen any TRUE Carolina or Climpsun fan pull for the other under any circumstance? and I mean TRUE fan, not those idiots with their "house divided" bullshit stuck on the front of their cars.

You obviously don't live in a "House Divided" or you might begin to understand.
But I'll give you some insight.  It is not the schools that hate each other.  It is fan to fan. When most of us say we "hate" Usuc, what we really are saying is that we hate the attitudes that some of it's more arrogant fans take towards Clemson and Clemson fans And while I understand that feeling and that experiences I describe  are surely reciprocal, I am speaking only from my side.  We remember some shi**y comments or behavior we saw exhibited that happened along the way in our lives.  We are really no differnt than any sports fans. 

But it is virtually impossible to live in SC and not have friends and family who don't have a mix of Orange or Garnet in their lives. We marry gamecocks. Our children marry them.  Our  children or grandchildren decide they want to cross over because of study areas or just because they decided somwhere along the way that they liked one instead of the other.

I go into this detail because all too often I hear or read comments like "NO TRUE FAN" would do this or that.  I wonder who annointed those people GOD and gave them the perfect insight on what attitude everyone else should have? Arab terroists have a similar attitude as did the NAZIs. Zero tolerance.  Only they could be right and anyone who didn't?doesn't agree with them isn't a "TRUE" this or that.

You are probably relatively young, probably not married to a Clemson fan or have any close family that are Clemson fans.  So it is easier to see why you might say what you said.  But I will assure you, as you get older (and presumably wiser) you will come to realize that the people you love and call your friends mean a whole lot more than what school they route for in sports.  There are a number of gamecocks I am not fond of.  There are also a lot of whom I am, not the least of which is my wife of 18 years. She loves her gamecocks, but she also loves me so she pulls for the Tigers with equal enthusiasm. That being the case, how does a "true" husband and partner pull against her team ?  Do you deep down really believe that as a Clemson fan, I could not still appreciate that game Scar played against Michigan yesterday?  Why would I pull for Michigan?   Can you tell me that you are such an SEC Homo that your didn't appreciate the guts and balls it took for Clemson to beat a team like LSU? Really?

Good post.  It puts a lot of things into perspective.  One of my two best friends is a Gamecock fan, and all of my wifes family is as well.  I will never pull for them to win a game, and none of them will ever pull for Clemson, but we also never give each other a hard time about our teams, and talk about the games in a civil way.  A friend and me were actually talking about something similar on the way home where he has a Gamecock fan that he works with whose daughter is in high school and is considering going to Clemson, and he told her that if she does he won't give her any money to live on, or come to visit her ever, or help her move.  We talked about as much as we "hate" the Carolina football team how sad that is that a person would let the sports team that they pull for impact their relationship with their family, or let it influence the education of their child.
I was the same for so long. Always pulling against them, and I still had friends who were gamecocks.  I will say this.  Having the woman you love scream in excitement when your team pulls out a win over LSU is hard to overcome.  I would feel like a "true" TURD if I then turned around and blatantly pulled against her team.

 Just a rhetorical question for some of these guys.. Who would you rather be happy with?  The woman you sleep with every night, or some idealistic (and for all practical purpose useless) stance on College sport fanhood? If you guys aren't smart enough to figure that out, I have my doubts you are smart enough to get in or out of either school. (and if that's your attitude towards your wife, I can imagine you will spend a lot of  frutrated nights at your house) Hope your rabid fellow fanatics can talk you through it when you are asked to go  sleep on the sofa. LOL.biggrin

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Posted: 1/2/2013 4:39 PM

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been in many heated arguments over the greatest rivalry. I have maintained Carolina/Climpsun and Alabama/Auburn are the 2 most heated rivalries in college football. they won't hear of it, even though both of them admit they have never really personally known any Michigan fans who they hate so much. Carolina/Climpsun actually pre-dates Ohio State/Michigan by 1 year and 1 game (despite the break in the early 1900s).

So I go to the Ohio State boards yesterday and was surprised to find that about 20% of their fans were actually pulling for Michigan because of conference affiliation. to me, that proves my point.

have you ever seen any TRUE Carolina or Climpsun fan pull for the other under any circumstance? and I mean TRUE fan, not those idiots with their "house divided" bullshit stuck on the front of their cars.

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If you're going to come over and start a thread on someone else's board, at least spell their freakin name right.
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Posted: 1/2/2013 4:56 PM

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So true, I played at Carolina and my three kids go or went to Clemson....it never gets ugly but we all know where we stand....the fact that the two major schools in SC went 22-4 this year should make all of us proud and it looks like we could be close to the same next year with our two schedules.....if Clemson plays D they can beat anybody on a given day.....if you get the offense humming. Carolina is a few players away from being a great team and they have lots to replace next year.....I am looking forward to great years ahead and a very fun, bitter, but fun rivalry....congratulations on your win over LSU, we were a couple of points short with them....Happy New YEar
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Posted: 1/2/2013 5:32 PM

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<blockquote dir="ltr"><strong>GoGamecocks02 wrote:</strong> You obviously don't live in a "House Divided" or you might begin to understand.
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Oh, I FULLY understand it. If my wife went to Climpsun or just pulled for them, that's one thing. Posting it on my vehicle is the ultimate sign of dumbass.

If my wife had herpes, I'd still love her. but I wouldn't put a license tag on my car that says, "My Wife Has Herpes"
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Posted: 1/2/2013 5:39 PM

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GoGamecocks02 wrote:

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<blockquote dir="ltr"><strong>GoGamecocks02 wrote:</strong> You obviously don't live in a "House Divided" or you might begin to understand.
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Oh, I FULLY understand it. If my wife went to Climpsun or just pulled for them, that's one thing. Posting it on my vehicle is the ultimate sign of dumbass.

If my wife had herpes, I'd still love her. but I wouldn't put a license tag on my car that says, "My Wife Has Herpes"
Ha Ha. I was given one of those tags years ago but never have put it on my car.  I guess it's because it's MY car and I only put Clenson stuff on MY car.  If my wife wants to put it on hers, that's fine, but we don't apologize for the fact that we are Clemson/Carolina.  It has made for a very lively time and we have had a lot of fun with it over the years.
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Posted: 1/2/2013 5:47 PM

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Who has the most "heated" rivalry debate is really a pretty stupid argument. It all depends are where you're from. Of course Clemson/USuCk rivalry is the most important for us. But if you have lived in other parts of the country you'll quickly realize most people don't care about that game.

In Chicago, all those people cared about was the ND-Southern Cal game and Ohio St.-Michigan showdown every year. When I was in Texas, everyone thought Texas-Oklahoma was the biggest game in college football every year.

It's a discussion where the location is what really matters.
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Posted: 1/2/2013 6:38 PM

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I am torn. My brain says I should pull for the Gamecocks. It is good for Clemson when they do well because they are on our schedule. My heart forbids it for obvious reasons.

But then again, at the same time, some of the people in my life that I have loved and adored the most were die hard Gamecock fans. I wish my "Paw Paw" were still alive to enjoy their recent success.

So basically I am torn in half. But as soon as I have a soft moment some idiot Gamecock fan pisses me off or Spurrier says something asinine and all that mushy and logical sh!t goes out the window.
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Posted: 1/2/2013 6:40 PM

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<blockquote dir="ltr"><strong>GoGamecocks02 wrote:</strong>

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<blockquote dir="ltr"><strong>GoGamecocks02 wrote:</strong> You obviously don't live in a "House Divided" or you might begin to understand.
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Oh, I FULLY understand it. If my wife went to Climpsun or just pulled for them, that's one thing. Posting it on my vehicle is the ultimate sign of dumbass.

If my wife had herpes, I'd still love her. but I wouldn't put a license tag on my car that says, "My Wife Has Herpes"</blockquote>Ha Ha. I was given one of those tags years ago but never have put it on my car.  I guess it's because it's MY car and I only put Clenson stuff on MY car.  If my wife wants to put it on hers, that's fine, but we don't apologize for the fact that we are Clemson/Carolina.  It has made for a very lively time and we have had a lot of fun with it over the years.

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I hope you are talking about the house divided tag lol. Believe it or not 2 of my brothers went to Clemson (one played sports for clemson), my wife has a masters from clemson and her son got his degree there. I have lots of clemson friends and customers but they all know where I stand and I know where they stand about the rivalry.
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Posted: 1/2/2013 7:01 PM

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tomtomusc wrote:

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<blockquote dir="ltr"><strong>GoGamecocks02 wrote:</strong>

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<blockquote dir="ltr"><strong>GoGamecocks02 wrote:</strong> You obviously don't live in a "House Divided" or you might begin to understand.
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Oh, I FULLY understand it. If my wife went to Climpsun or just pulled for them, that's one thing. Posting it on my vehicle is the ultimate sign of dumbass.

If my wife had herpes, I'd still love her. but I wouldn't put a license tag on my car that says, "My Wife Has Herpes"</blockquote>Ha Ha. I was given one of those tags years ago but never have put it on my car.  I guess it's because it's MY car and I only put Clenson stuff on MY car.  If my wife wants to put it on hers, that's fine, but we don't apologize for the fact that we are Clemson/Carolina.  It has made for a very lively time and we have had a lot of fun with it over the years.

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I hope you are talking about the house divided tag lol. Believe it or not 2 of my brothers went to Clemson (one played sports for clemson), my wife has a masters from clemson and her son got his degree there. I have lots of clemson friends and customers but they all know where I stand and I know where they stand about the rivalry.
The only legitimate reason I can see to wish ill on our rival would be that we compete for the same players.  When one dominates the other, it whacks out the order of things and gives advantage. Pretty much all the rest is ego, a flaw with which all men are afflicted. (that's per GOD, not just me). And ego is fine as long as it is kept proportionate with reality. I can hate a man who has done real injury to me or someone I love.  But I can't hate a man because he likes a different football team.  And though I have been as rough as anybody on this board on some of the ruder more obnoxious posters from gamecock land, I don't hate them.  To me it's all part of the game and I'm mostly just having fun.  Hell, how can you hate someone you don't even know?
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Posted: 1/2/2013 7:19 PM

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Say what? Her son? LOL! Nothing personal?

Or, is son from a prior marriage? Just struck me as funny, at first blush.

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Posted: 1/2/2013 7:22 PM

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Some fans, on both sides, take this way too far.  I took my car into the shop that I use all the time for repairs.  It is great place.  A shamecock (that what this person was) walked over from a dance studio and threatened to tear my Clemson license plate off, damage my car and rip off all of my IPTAY stickers.  How dare I park my car so he could see such trash.  He told the owner that if my car was there that night, it would be damaged.  This guy was serious.  The owner told him to leave the property and he would ensure my car was protected.  The owner is a Gamecock fan.

Likewise, my wife, who is an Oregon Duck, got her master's from South Carolina and works for the university.  Half of our income comes from South Carolina.  She actually gets a season football package to purchase each year.  No, we don't buy season tickets from Carolina.  Yet, it is hard to be so cruel when I go to her place of work and knowing where our bread is butter.  She still goes with me to all the Clemson games wearing Clemson gear with her Oregon hat, but we don't take this overboard. 

I admit that I prefer South Carolina to lose every game.  It is hard to pull for them.  I know that sometimes it is in our best interest.  It is in the state's best interest for our rivalry to reach the level of Alabama/Auburn, but still.   I think most of us understand this.

Some people lose their minds over this.....when taken that far, such as the example of pulling your money from your child, that is shameful.  If my kids wanted to to South Carolina or got full scholarships, I would support them.  They would know where I stand, but that is all.
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Posted: 1/2/2013 7:37 PM

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lol. son from prior marriage. I have a running joke in the bar that I have two ex brothers that went to clemson. I do wish for a season where both teams are undefeated at the end of the year. Might get it next year.

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Say what? Her son? LOL! Nothing personal?

Or, is son from a prior marriage? Just struck me as funny, at first blush.

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... my wife has a masters from clemson and her son got his degree there.

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Posted: 1/2/2013 8:22 PM

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My taterness will not allow me to pull for the chickens.....but I don't/won't let it interfere with family and friends.
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Posted: 1/2/2013 8:43 PM

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tomtomusc wrote: I do wish for a season where both teams are undefeated at the end of the year. Might get it next year.

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For our state and both schools, that would be the ultimate if both teams entered the final game undefeated.  I'll take it if it happens next year, but would prefer the year after.
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