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Posted: 8/7/2014 7:16 PM

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Posted: 8/7/2014 7:45 PM

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The end of our game as we know it is near.

Congrats to the money!!!
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Posted: 8/7/2014 9:30 PM

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847badgerfan wrote: The end of our game as we know it is near.

Congrats to the money!!!
+ infinity and beyond

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Posted: 8/8/2014 7:18 AM

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Meh.... the end of our game as we knew it happened years ago....

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Posted: 8/8/2014 7:31 AM

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"The Game" continues to evolve, propelled by the money aspect, which has gradually become the elephant in the room.  It could be that the "purists" among us will have to find our preferred "Game" among smaller universities without scholarships, or nothing but scholarships, and 5,000 fans in the seats.

I have turned my back on major league baseball for various reasons, but I still enjoy baseball.  I just prefer minor league or college baseball.  The game is the same, just a lot cheaper with less frustration that hugely salaried players are not hustling.

I hate all over generalizations.

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Posted: 8/8/2014 7:46 AM

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"The Game" continues to evolve, propelled by the money aspect, which has gradually become the elephant in the room.  

It's a damn shame because if the NFL would just schedule games on Saturday, college football is returned to its rightful place.

32 teams and Sunday games does not satisfy the general public's appetite for football.  Nor does it give ESPN enough to talk about.  So therefore we have created a 2nd professional league out of amateur sports.


It could be that the "purists" among us will have to find our preferred "Game" among smaller universities without scholarships, or nothing but scholarships, and 5,000 fans in the seats.

Or high school football.

I have turned my back on major league baseball for various reasons, but I still enjoy baseball.  I just prefer minor league or college baseball.  

I dare say baseball is a better game than football.  The problem?  It burns itself out.  Exactly the opposite of the NFL.  The NFL doesn't provide enough product, so we are developing another professional league from amateur sports.  Professional Baseball, otoh, gives you 162 games for each team!  It's freaking overkill.  No time for drama or discussion or hype or anticipation... just game after game after game after game after game................

For football, we say more, more, more.

For baseball, we say enough, enough, enough.


The game is the same, just a lot cheaper with less frustration that hugely salaried players are not hustling.

Because they play every night, so a win or a loss means less.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 7:55 AM

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Agreed with you there 95.... MLB seasons are complete overkill.

If it were me.... the MLB season would be cut in half..... About 80-85 games..... with fewer games per week.  That provides plenty of product while also giving real meaning to each game result.

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Posted: 8/8/2014 8:15 AM

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Shiner1 wrote: Agreed with you there 95.... MLB seasons are complete overkill.

If it were me.... the MLB season would be cut in half..... About 80-85 games..... with fewer games per week.  That provides plenty of product while also giving real meaning to each game result.


As much as sports fans love the game, they love the thought of the game.  The strategy, the anticipation, the analysis, the discussion with homers and the ribbing with rivals...  Baseball gives you none of this.  Just a compete saturation of games, and players that are bored stiff.

The thrill of victory?  No.  There's 161 other chances to win as well.  The agony of defeat?  No.  Same reason.  No passion in victory or defeat.

But the more games they play, the more TV time they sell...  so therefore they're gonna run it into the ground.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 8:27 AM

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Texas95 wrote:
Shiner1 wrote: Agreed with you there 95.... MLB seasons are complete overkill.

If it were me.... the MLB season would be cut in half..... About 80-85 games..... with fewer games per week.  That provides plenty of product while also giving real meaning to each game result.


As much as sports fans love the game, they love the thought of the game.  The strategy, the anticipation, the analysis, the discussion with homers and the ribbing with rivals...  Baseball gives you none of this.  Just a compete saturation of games, and players that are bored stiff.

The thrill of victory?  No.  There's 161 other chances to win as well.  The agony of defeat?  No.  Same reason.  No passion in victory or defeat.

But the more games they play, the more TV time they sell...  so therefore they're gonna run it into the ground.
I'm not sure TV is to blame... .at least I'm not sure it was to blame when the season was lengthened to 162 games.  MLB adopted a 162 game schedule in the early 60's.... long before the TV driven hysteria we see in sports today.

I'm not sure the logic or reasoning behind it by MLB.... but whatever the reason.... it's overkill.  It doesn't take that many games to determine the "best" team in each division/league.    It's so many games it renders any particular game result completely meaningless.

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Posted: 8/8/2014 10:32 AM

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Shiner1 wrote:
I'm not sure TV is to blame... .at least I'm not sure it was to blame when the season was lengthened to 162 games.  MLB adopted a 162 game schedule in the early 60's.... long before the TV driven hysteria we see in sports today.

That's a dang good point, I should have thought that through.  Maybe selling tickets to games was the original motivator?  That was a significant revenue driver in the 60's, although a mere pittance compared to today's sports media machine.

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Posted: 8/8/2014 11:29 AM

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I'd like to see baseball start on May 1 and end at Labor Day. Play the postseason at the beginning of football and be done with it. I'd also like to see about 6 teams go away.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 11:31 AM

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847badgerfan wrote: I'd like to see baseball start on May 1 and end at Labor Day. Play the postseason at the beginning of football and be done with it. I'd also like to see about 6 teams go away.
I could live with that.  That cuts out two months of useless games....

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Posted: 8/8/2014 11:39 AM

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You guys are thinking two-dimensionally about the baseball season. It has to be long. Baseball's best and worst teams are the closest of any sport, because of how the game works. I bet 99% of baseball teams have finished between .650 and .350. To make sure the best teams finish first, you need lots of games. We're blessed now, that due to expansion, we have some variety. I can't imagine 154 games vs. the same 7 teams all year. Now we have 15-team leagues with inter league play.

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Posted: 8/8/2014 11:41 AM

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OrangeAfroMan wrote: You guys are thinking two-dimensionally about the baseball season. It has to be long. Baseball's best and worst teams are the closest of any sport, because of how the game works. I bet 99% of baseball teams have finished between .650 and .350. To make sure the best teams finish first, you need lots of games. We're blessed now, that due to expansion, we have some variety. I can't imagine 154 games vs. the same 7 teams all year. Now we have 15-team leagues with inter league play.
Using your logic.... post season series should be 21 games long instead of 7.  Sorry... not buying it.

There's nothing a 162 game schedule accomplishes that an 80-100 game schedule can't also accomplish.

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Posted: 8/8/2014 1:08 PM

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Shiner1 wrote:
OrangeAfroMan wrote: You guys are thinking two-dimensionally about the baseball season. It has to be long. Baseball's best and worst teams are the closest of any sport, because of how the game works. I bet 99% of baseball teams have finished between .650 and .350. To make sure the best teams finish first, you need lots of games. We're blessed now, that due to expansion, we have some variety. I can't imagine 154 games vs. the same 7 teams all year. Now we have 15-team leagues with inter league play.
Using your logic.... post season series should be 21 games long instead of 7.  Sorry... not buying it.

There's nothing a 162 game schedule accomplishes that an 80-100 game schedule can't also accomplish.
Me neither.  You just end up with an extrapolation of longer averages, which does not separate out much in the end.  The longer season serves no purpose.  The seasons started out long because there was nothing else to watch.

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Posted: 8/8/2014 2:09 PM

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OrangeAfroMan wrote: You guys are thinking two-dimensionally about the baseball season. It has to be long. Baseball's best and worst teams are the closest of any sport, because of how the game works. I bet 99% of baseball teams have finished between .650 and .350. To make sure the best teams finish first, you need lots of games. We're blessed now, that due to expansion, we have some variety. I can't imagine 154 games vs. the same 7 teams all year. Now we have 15-team leagues with inter league play.

I realize its not physically possible, but if football played 162 games per team, you would have the same result.  it has to do with the significance of each game, and the fact that in baseball, not all players are giving their A-game (mentally and emotionally, as well as physically) 100% of the time.  No matter what they say.

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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:17 PM

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this is the biggest change in College Football since the forming of the NCAA and all the dumb masses can talk about is stupid MLB.

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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:38 PM

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Well if you're so bothered by that.... please.... tell us your opinions on the matter.

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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:46 PM

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Shiner1 wrote: Well if you're so bothered by that.... please.... tell us your opinions on the matter.
i did, he who has not read the thread.   it's about 12 or so posts above where i concured with Badger.   what is your opinion SEC newboy?   does TAM have more bucks to throw at recruits than UGA?

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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:59 PM

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Texas95 wrote:
OrangeAfroMan wrote: You guys are thinking two-dimensionally about the baseball season. It has to be long. Baseball's best and worst teams are the closest of any sport, because of how the game works. I bet 99% of baseball teams have finished between .650 and .350. To make sure the best teams finish first, you need lots of games. We're blessed now, that due to expansion, we have some variety. I can't imagine 154 games vs. the same 7 teams all year. Now we have 15-team leagues with inter league play.

I realize its not physically possible, but if football played 162 games per team, you would have the same result.  it has to do with the significance of each game, and the fact that in baseball, not all players are giving their A-game (mentally and emotionally, as well as physically) 100% of the time.  No matter what they say.
So what you're saying is the number of games dictates the significance of each game.....which is an obvious statement.  I don't see anyone suggesting otherwise.

The reason they play so many baseball games is the point I made already plus the fact that they're physically able to.

Does anyone on this planet think that if they could play 100 football games per season, that they wouldn't make it happen?  They don't because they can't, not for some wise covenant of the sanctity of each game's significance, lol.

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