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who has a better chance to get into the big 12

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Posted: 8/16/2014 9:25 AM

who has a better chance to get into the big 12 


Fresno or BYU since both have been hinting they want in
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Posted: 8/16/2014 10:33 AM

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BYU has a better chance but as has been discussed over and over no Sunday play is a big problem
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Posted: 8/16/2014 10:51 AM

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yup, BYU

heck, y'all let Baylor in

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Posted: 8/16/2014 1:10 PM

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FearlessF wrote: yup, BYU

heck, y'all let Baylor in
Two things:

1. Baylor didn't have a problem playing on Sundays
2. Texas Governor Ann Richards had a LOT to do with them getting in.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 10:40 AM

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how many games has Baylor played on Sunday?

and I'm sure some politician with some pull would like to see BYU in the 12

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Posted: 8/17/2014 11:31 AM

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FearlessF wrote: how many games has Baylor played on Sunday?

and I'm sure some politician with some pull would like to see BYU in the 12
Its more then just playing games

its also practice and travel plus some other things
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Posted: 8/17/2014 7:34 PM

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I guess its a deal killer then

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Posted: 8/18/2014 9:10 AM

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BYU has a 'better' chance, but neither will.  Until proven otherwise, the Big 12 is very proud of their "we play everybody" schedule in re all the other conferences missing half their teams in conference play.

That said, if the Big 12 found 2 more teams that made some sort of geographic sense, and more importantly, brought in more money that the current schools are earning, then a deal will get done.

Neither of these schools remotely satisfy either requirement.


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Posted: 8/18/2014 9:51 AM

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Ootsa wrote:
FearlessF wrote: yup, BYU

heck, y'all let Baylor in
Two things:

1. Baylor didn't have a problem playing on Sundays
2. Texas Governor Ann Richards had a LOT to do with them getting in.


Amazing how much a governor can impact these things - if Rick Perry wasn't an Aggie, A&M would not have been able to leave.
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Posted: 8/18/2014 10:15 AM

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so it wasn't DeLoss Dodd's fault?

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Posted: 8/18/2014 10:27 AM

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FearlessF wrote: so it wasn't DeLoss Dodd's fault?


The motivation was Dodds fault.
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Posted: 8/18/2014 10:50 AM

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To answer the OP, Fresno has no chance.  BYU maybe, with an equal partner.

If the PAC ever sold their network to FOX or ESPN, I bet BYU would get forced in.  Leaving too much money on the table for exclusivity.  BYU has some degree of a national reach.  The PAC could use that.

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Posted: 8/18/2014 11:02 AM

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Texas95 wrote:
Ootsa wrote:
FearlessF wrote: yup, BYU

heck, y'all let Baylor in
Two things:

1. Baylor didn't have a problem playing on Sundays
2. Texas Governor Ann Richards had a LOT to do with them getting in.


Amazing how much a governor can impact these things - if Rick Perry wasn't an Aggie, A&M would not have been able to leave.
You make it sound as if some other governor would've cared enough to intervene.  That's a pretty big assumption.

The world hasn't stopped spinning on its axis as a result of A&M leaving the Big XII.... Which simply goes to show the Aggies being in a different conference doesn't really affect much in the average Texan's daily life.... and by extension means politicians needs to stay out of realignment.

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Posted: 8/18/2014 11:09 AM

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politicians can stay out of football

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Posted: 8/18/2014 11:44 AM

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Can't imagine the Big 12 looking west to either BYU or Fresno when they have WVU dangling out in the east.

I think the Big 12 will probably try to set pat at 10. If deserving teams from the Big 12 get passed over for the playoff and it looks like the snub is attributable to the lack of a CCG, the Big 12 could expand I suppose. Personally, I think they waited too long. Now most of the once-good prospects in the east are sucked in to GORs with the ACC.

I suppose Cincinnati and UCF could be good. Except that they remind of U of H - big city commuter schools with tepid passion and average academics.

Seems strange the Big 12 took WVU as a dangler. Seems like WVU and Louisville would've made more sense than WVU and TCU but I guess at the time it was all about infusing a little excitement into the conference with very recent (at the time) BCS game big winners.


Fresno State and BYU both have a lot of good qualities.
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Posted: 8/18/2014 12:40 PM

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It wasn't Ann Richards, it was Bob Bullock.  He just so happened to be an alumnus of both Baylor and Tech.  Wiley old bastage.
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Posted: 8/18/2014 1:01 PM

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Shiner1 wrote:
You make it sound as if some other governor would've cared enough to intervene.  That's a pretty big assumption.

Any Governor would have cared.  Just like this Governor cared.  And everybody (UT and Baylor) knew which way this Governor would go with it, so there was no use in making a political and financial case for A&M to stay.

The world hasn't stopped spinning on its axis as a result of A&M leaving the Big XII.... Which simply goes to show the Aggies being in a different conference doesn't really affect much in the average Texan's daily life....

Sure it does.  The average Texan used to care about A&M.

and by extension means politicians needs to stay out of realignment.

Relax.  You've already pulled it off.  You got while the gettin was good.  Aggie Governor and all.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 1:08 PM

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hookyhornstein wrote: 

I think the Big 12 will probably try to set pat at 10. If deserving teams from the Big 12 get passed over for the playoff and it looks like the snub is attributable to the lack of a CCG, the Big 12 could expand I suppose. Personally, I think they waited too long. Now most of the once-good prospects in the east are sucked in to GORs with the ACC.

I suppose Cincinnati and UCF could be good. Except that they remind of U of H - big city commuter schools with tepid passion and average academics.


Those are my thoughts.There is no one left of value that is available except BYU or prying someone out of the SEC (don't see that happening).  I'd rather remain on an island than to bring in a school just to have someone closer in the league.  

IMO, the only team that makes some sense is UConn (NYC market - if they are winning, great hoops), but why would we stretch the league any further?  If we have to add two for whatever reason, I would pick the Mormans and hold my nose and pick out of this group - Tulane (great away game), Northern Illinois (if they remain good in football), Cincy or UConn.

Now, I just hope we step up and show our worth to the league in the next couple of years..



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Posted: 8/19/2014 5:26 PM

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Texas95 wrote: To answer the OP, Fresno has no chance.  BYU maybe, with an equal partner.

If the PAC ever sold their network to FOX or ESPN, I bet BYU would get forced in.  Leaving too much money on the table for exclusivity.  BYU has some degree of a national reach.  The PAC could use that.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 3:41 PM

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Wasn't Perry the guy who said in a debate he had three main things he'd do to change Washington, and then could only remember two of them?

No surprise that he's an Aggie.


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