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OT: 2012-13 B1G Basketball Thread
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Posted: 3/31/2012 10:31 PM
OT: 2012-13 B1G Basketball Thread
So it starts. The Bucks will definitely lose William Buford and almost certainly lose Jared Sullinger and probably lose Deshawn Thomas. Also, they have barely recruited and have no commits this year and probably won't have any big men commits, which would be the ones they would need. Still, they actually have a pretty good team coming back.
Aaron Craft and Lenzelle Smith Jr. will be juniors and still be a very strong defensive backcourt. The new frontcourt will be Evan Ravenel, Amir Williams, and Sam Thompson. LaQuinton Ross and Shannon Scott will likely be the main substitutes. They probably aren't going to the Final Four next year, but I would be surprised if they don't at least get within spitting distance of a B1G title.
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Posted: 3/31/2012 10:43 PM
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MSU loses Green, Thornton, and Wood. Incoming recruiting class is solidly in the top 10 with two Mr. Basketballs (IN, MI).
I expect IU and MSU to be the top two teams. Could be a lot of quality teams at the top though. OSU, Michigan, UW, and Minny should be good as well.
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Posted: 3/31/2012 11:02 PM
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When is the deadline to declare for the draft?
If Thomas came back and they get that big kid out of Georgia OSU may be in the mix again next season.
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Posted: 3/31/2012 11:12 PM
RE: OT: 2012-13 B1G Basketball Thread
OSU could be in the B1G mix anyway. Even with out Buford, Sulligner, and Thomas we'll have Craft and Smith back. Starting with them should be Williams, Ravenel, and Thompson. Bench minutes from Scott, Ross, and others could put us in B1G contention.
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Posted: 4/1/2012 12:04 AM
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Out: Novak, Douglass, Christian, Smotrycz, Brundidge:
Back: Morgan, Horford, McLimans, Hardaway, Vogrich, Burke?, Akunne, Bielfeldt
In: McGary, Stauskas, Robinson, Della Valle?
Burke will hopefully announce his return once he gets a response from the drafte advisory board. He's too small to ever be a first-round pick, anyway, even if/when he improves his defense and passing.
Della Valle is also considering Arizona. He's hyped up as a combo guard, but I don't see point guard skills in the videos I've seen over the past few days. If Burke does go pro, Michigan will presumably offer and sign this unheralded kid, Spike Albrecht, and hope for the best next year, until Derrick Walton comes in 2013. I haven't heard about any potential grad-transfer players, but that's a possibility, as well.
The recruits will be expected to be ready to play, so it's really hard to predict how good this team will be before the season starts. With Burke, they could be as good as this year's team or fall back to the middle of the Big Ten. That said, Beilein never really had a true point guard at West Virginia so with a whole off-season to prepare if Burke goes pro, it may not be as bad as some might think.
I'm not going to make any predictions until I know what next year's roster will actually be, though....
When your team is winning be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing
Bo Schembechler
Last edited 4/1/2012 3:22 PM by MichiFan87
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Posted: 4/1/2012 10:19 PM
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Here's a decent read from Rick Telander in today's Chicago Sun-Times: Northwestern not rewarded for doing things the right wayNORTHWESTERN WILDCATS 2013 Gator Bowl champions |
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Posted: 4/2/2012 3:30 AM
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stingray66 wrote: When is the deadline to declare for the draft?
If Thomas came back and they get that big kid out of Georgia OSU may be in the mix again next season. The NCAA's deadline to declare is April 10. But the NBA early-entry deadline is April 29. Student-athletes have to pull them names out before April 10 to keep their NCAA eligibility...but they can pull their name out and say they're coming back to school and still declare for the NBA draft by April 29 lol. I didn't even realize the NCAA has changed their NBA declare deadline date. http://sportsmediaworld.com/20...rs-and-coaches/ http://www.indystar.com/articl...igh-NBA-options
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Posted: 4/2/2012 7:00 AM
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The only date that really matters is April 29th. That's essentially the final decision day.
I'm looking forward to seeing Michigan next season. I really hope Burke returns, which I think ultimately he will once he hears the truth about his NBA status. Michigan for the first time in as long as I remember have a really talented incoming class. With Burke, they could certainly make a run at the B1G championship.
"The goal here is a Big Ten Championship always and forever."
-Taylor Lewan -
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Posted: 4/2/2012 11:32 AM
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Considering there's been no talk of anyone from MSU going pro, here's how our depth chart breaks down...
PG - Keith Appling (Jr); Travis Trice (So)
SG - Gary Harris (5*Fr); Brandan Kearney (So); Russell Byrd (So)
SF - Branden Dawson (So); Denzel Valentine (3*Fr)
PF - Derrick Nix (Sr); Kenny Kaminski (4*Fr); Alex Gauna (So)
C - Adreian Payne (Jr); Matt Costello (4*Fr)
Should be good again next year, likely top 3 Big Ten, but 2013-14 is when we should be just plain silly loaded, considering we only have Nix as a senior next year. Granted, Harris COULD be a one and done if he lives up to his hype as the best high school SG in the nation.
If we have no early entrants next year there's a good chance we could be preseason #1 in 2 years. Not that that's worth anything as we were preseason #2 2 years ago and wound up 7th in the Big Ten and got bounced in the 1st round of the NCAAs as a 10 seed.
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Posted: 4/2/2012 12:05 PM
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EastLansingAdam wrote: Considering there's been no talk of anyone from MSU going pro, here's how our depth chart breaks down...
PG - Keith Appling (Jr); Travis Trice (So)
SG - Gary Harris (5*Fr); Brandan Kearney (So); Russell Byrd (So)
SF - Branden Dawson (So); Denzel Valentine (3*Fr)
PF - Derrick Nix (Sr); Kenny Kaminski (4*Fr); Alex Gauna (So)
C - Adreian Payne (Jr); Matt Costello (4*Fr)
Should be good again next year, likely top 3 Big Ten, but 2013-14 is when we should be just plain silly loaded, considering we only have Nix as a senior next year. Granted, Harris COULD be a one and done if he lives up to his hype as the best high school SG in the nation.
If we have no early entrants next year there's a good chance we could be preseason #1 in 2 years. Not that that's worth anything as we were preseason #2 2 years ago and wound up 7th in the Big Ten and got bounced in the 1st round of the NCAAs as a 10 seed. Do you think they will play Nix and Payne together? They don't seem versatile enough to me to play together very much. Dawson might be a little bit of ? after the ACL ... Gary Harris still hurts to see him go to MSU ... thought we had him at Purdue. BOILER UP!!!
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Posted: 4/2/2012 12:15 PM
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I think you'll see more of them together, because they have to. They aren't versatile in the sense that the stretch the floor with the perimeter shot like Green could, but both are athletic, and can defend just fine. Plus offensively, while they aren't Green, they don't need to sit in the paint to be effective. Payne actually does have a jumper, and we only sparcely saw it, because he didn't need to. When he did use it, late in shot clocks, it's actually solid.
I do think you will see MSU go slow sometimes and play Dawson at the 4. Valentine can play the 1-4 so he's an option too. My thinking is that Nix and Payne are too lmit them each to 20 minutes. It will be interesting if Costello is as good as advertised. He seems like the type of player Izzo loves. He could be a rebounding machine by the time he's done in East Lansing. |
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Posted: 4/2/2012 12:33 PM
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I had assumed Thomas would go pro, although I guess there is a chance he comes back. His return would be great, because they don't really have a a guy who can score near the basket coming back if he goes pro.
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Posted: 4/2/2012 12:39 PM
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Purdue loses Robbie Hummel, Lewis Jackson, and Ryne Smith. Definitely major impact from all three players.
Our biggest hole in 2011-12 was lack of a true post presence. Carroll is more naturally a 4, and while Marcius can play the 5, he's still very raw (physically talented but didn't start playing basketball until late in high school). So the biggest thing to be happy about is that we've got a true 6'11" or 7' post player coming in, AJ Hammons. Alongside him we've got Jay Simpson coming in at 6'9" 250#, who will be more physically dominating than JaJuan Johnson was as a freshman. We also have Donnie Hale, who went the prep school route for a year and redshirted this year, who at 6'8" 210# is described as playing very much like Robbie Hummel.
You can't replace Robbie Hummel, but if we have the ability to go to a big lineup, we can at least hopefully make up for his rebounding ability there.
Ryne Smith was a sharpshooter from 3, but I think we'll have a number of people who can shoot from deep (including DJ Byrd, who will have more room to operate with the big men down low), and he was a bit of a liability on defense at times.
Losing LewJack will be very difficult though. He knew how to run the point, and his quickness was deadly (just ask Trey Burke). We're bringing in true frosh Ronnie Johnson (Jr. Terone Johnson's younger brother) who is a natural PG, and the motion offense isn't as reliant on the PG position than some others, but losing LewJack will still be tough.
So I think our roster/depth next year looks like this:
C: Hammons/Marcius
PF: Carroll/Simpson/Lawson
SF: Byrd/Hale
G1: T. Johnson/Davis
G2: A. Johnson/R. Johnson/Hart
We have one scholarship spot open. There's some discussion about pulling in a 1-year transfer player (i.e. like Brandon Wood @ MSU). If not, Painter has been known to sign extra players when needed, so he might pick up another player and see whether any of our 2013-14 commits want to go the prep school route like Donnie Hale did. Worst-case, we renew Dru Anthrop (walk-on who was awarded a scholarship for 2011-12 because we had room) for another year of scholarship.
Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, IU fans.
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Posted: 4/2/2012 2:03 PM
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I'll post later my thoughts on the new coach and players...want to see how the recruits and new staff shake out over the next week. Exciting things! In the meantime, and awesome video cut from The Journey featuring Meyers Leonard and his family if you haven't seen it. "University Of Illinois Researchers Find Link Between Attending University Of Illinois, Receiving Solid Education At Great Price" ~The Onion~
LONG LIVE THE CHIEF!
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Posted: 4/2/2012 9:49 PM
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This should be one of Tubby's strongest teams since taking over.
Assuming no one transfers nor declares for the NBA draft.
Expecting a Top-5 finish.
"Here's how I think of my money -- as soldiers -- I send them out to war everyday. I want them to take prisoners and come home, so there's more of them." - Kevin O'Leary
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Posted: 4/2/2012 10:09 PM
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draftnik12 wrote: This should be one of Tubby's strongest teams since taking over.
Assuming no one transfers nor declares for the NBA draft.
Expecting a Top-5 finish. Barring injury to key players 
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-Jerry Kill
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Posted: 4/3/2012 10:09 AM
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ESPN's Pre-pre season Top 40 for next year...
1. INDIANA
2. Louisville
3. Kansas
4. Kentucky
5. OHIO STATE
6. NC State
7. MICHIGAN STATE
8. MICHIGAN
9. Florida
10. Baylor
11. North Carolina
12. Arizona
13. Memphis
14. Syracuse
15. Duke
16. Texas
17. Notre Dame
18. Creighton
19. Gonzaga
20. Kansas State
21. WISCONSIN
22. VCU
23. San Diego State
24. Tennessee
25. Missouri
26. CIncinnati
27. UNLV
28. Pittsburgh
29. Alabama
30. UCLA
31. Florida State
32. Stanford
33. Saint Louis
34. Marquette
35. Maryland
36. New Mexico
37. Butler
38. Saint Mary's
39. Xavier
40. Nevada
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Posted: 4/3/2012 11:06 AM
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Ugh, Nix arrested for DUI. God I hate the offseason. That didn't even take long.
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Posted: 4/3/2012 11:55 AM
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It's very hard to rank right now, because we still don't know who's gone and who comes back. I do think Burke is more valuable to his team than any player that is weighing their options other than maybe Zeller for IU. I don't know if I would have UM in the top 25 without Burke, but obviously some of you will disagree.
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Posted: 4/3/2012 12:03 PM
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EastLansingAdam wrote: Ugh, Nix arrested for DUI. God I hate the offseason. That didn't even take long. Suspended by Izzo indefinitely and his future with the program is uncertain. |
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Posted: 4/3/2012 1:27 PM
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EastLansingAdam wrote:
EastLansingAdam wrote: Ugh, Nix arrested for DUI. God I hate the offseason. That didn't even take long.
Suspended by Izzo indefinitely and his future with the program is uncertain. What are the details? I checked the MSU board, and it looked like he was caught with drugs, but not necessarily a DUI (unless it's driving under the influence of drugs).
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Posted: 4/3/2012 1:30 PM
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OSU5NC wrote:
EastLansingAdam wrote:
EastLansingAdam wrote: Ugh, Nix arrested for DUI. God I hate the offseason. That didn't even take long.
Suspended by Izzo indefinitely and his future with the program is uncertain. What are the details? I checked the MSU board, and it looked like he was caught with drugs, but not necessarily a DUI (unless it's driving under the influence of drugs). Yeah, conflicting reports now. There were definitely drugs in the car. DIffering reports on whether he was under the influence of them or not. Considering Izzo kicked two guys off the team last year for this (2nd offense for each though), he certainly is not going to be happy. Since this is Nix's first offense, as long as he plays the straight and narrow, I'd imagine he'd sit out the first couple next year and then be back. |
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Posted: 4/3/2012 3:07 PM
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EastLansingAdam wrote:
Yeah, conflicting reports now. There were definitely drugs in the car. DIffering reports on whether he was under the influence of them or not. Considering Izzo kicked two guys off the team last year for this (2nd offense for each though), he certainly is not going to be happy. Since this is Nix's first offense, as long as he plays the straight and narrow, I'd imagine he'd sit out the first couple next year and then be back. In general I'd agree, but with Nix I'm not so sure. He had the whole episode where he was left home from Maui and questioned transferring (not due to any legal issues) so that sort of clouds my thoughts. In any event, not cool. And not good for a guy who can't afford time away from the team/gym.
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Posted: 4/3/2012 3:25 PM
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PortlandSpartan2 wrote:
EastLansingAdam wrote:
Yeah, conflicting reports now. There were definitely drugs in the car. DIffering reports on whether he was under the influence of them or not. Considering Izzo kicked two guys off the team last year for this (2nd offense for each though), he certainly is not going to be happy. Since this is Nix's first offense, as long as he plays the straight and narrow, I'd imagine he'd sit out the first couple next year and then be back. In general I'd agree, but with Nix I'm not so sure. He had the whole episode where he was left home from Maui and questioned transferring (not due to any legal issues) so that sort of clouds my thoughts.
In any event, not cool. And not good for a guy who can't afford time away from the team/gym. Well, he wasn't left home. He wasn't happy, and stayed home to spend Thanksgiving with his family and decide whether or not he wanted to commit to playing big time basketball. So I'm not going to hold that against him as a strike. I do agree that I'm concerned what will happen to his body while he's away fro mthe team. 
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Posted: 4/3/2012 9:46 PM
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1. gessel - freshmen wows
2. marble - all big ten 2nd team, will be our go to guy, will have to play PG also alot
3. white - hoping no soph slump, should only get better
4. basabe - will be able to benefit a ton from a true center
5. woodbury - if he gives us 20 min, 6 RBs, 6pts, and 1.5blks thatll be awesome
bench: (20 min a game players)
C/PF mccabe - should continue to get better and play lot of minutes
G oglesby - need him to hit some 3s next yr to loosen up the D
G/SF may - need his athletic abilities to be a better defender and scorer
positions 2-4 we should be very good and tough to defend for everybody not named tOSU & MSU, 1 & 5 will be filled by freshmen or undersized players which will again hurt.
white and marble are guarenteed all B10 players, basabe should atleast be HM or 3rd team
we will win more game in the preseason than last yr but hard pressed to do as well in our conf schedule. I predict 20 wins and a berth (NIT or NCAA? ... IDK we'll see)
GO hawks!!!!!!!
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Posted: 4/3/2012 11:50 PM
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Wisconsin returns everyone save Rob Wilson and Jordan Taylor. The latter one is a big loss, no doubt. Expect George Marshall to step in at the point and the other four starters grow as Bo Ryan players often do.
Recruiting class is small, but UW fans expect GIGANTIC things from wing Sam Dekker. He might have an impact quickly. I assume Zak Showalter, who I know nothing about, will not.
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Posted: 4/4/2012 8:35 AM
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Sam Webb now reporting he believes Burke is gone.
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Posted: 4/4/2012 1:25 PM
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Espn saying Sully is NBA bound.
"Death catches up with us all eventually....
However, that doesn't mean we can't make the bastard work for it a little!"
Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda
!!!FEAR THE 'DORES!!!!
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Posted: 4/4/2012 3:08 PM
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CBS and mgoblog also reporting Burke is gone, but his dad says not so fast.
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Posted: 4/4/2012 7:43 PM
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Apparently Burke has been told he's a 20-40 pick by the NBA advisors. If so, then his decision isn't so bad, but I still think he could've gone higher next year, despite his height. Like I said, Beilein has won without a true point guard before. I hope for the best from this Spike Albrecht kid and Eso Akunne, but I'm frustrated.
When your team is winning be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing
Bo Schembechler
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