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The sport vs. Your team

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Posted: 8/15/2014 11:26 AM

The sport vs. Your team 


Was discussing this with a buddy the other day, and I think it comes down to the sport.

You have the choice of watching...

a.) Every game your team plays, but no other games

or

b.) As many games as you want, but you can never watch your team

I think college football and the NFL I'd choose B.  MLB, NBA and NHL are easy As for me.  College basketball is the toughest.  If I couldn't watch any MSU, I wouldn't watch much college hoops all season long anymore.  But flip side, I'd REALLY miss the tourney.  I think I'd hedge toward B, but that's a really tough one to me.

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Posted: 8/15/2014 11:39 AM

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I'm easily an A. This doesn't make me happy, because A is basically founded on bragging rights and B is basically about a purist's love of the sport, but just because I respect the B-side more doesn't mean I belong there.
I celebrate myself and sing myself 
And what I assume you shall assume 
For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. 
I loafe and invite my soul
I lean and loafe at my ease 
observing a spear of summer grass.
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Posted: 8/15/2014 11:39 AM

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It boils down to whether my team is competitive. If Purdue is meeting realistic expectations, i.e. the football team is a mid-tier B1G team that's typically expected to go to a bowl (like the Tiller era) and the basketball team is an upper-tier B1G team for which missing the tourney is a grave disappointment, I choose A.

In 2013, watching Purdue was maddening, so probably B.

As for other sports, I don't really have teams I really care about enough to matter, so it's a moot point.

"We put two people on the moon" is an acceptable retort to "your football team sucks", right?
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Posted: 8/15/2014 11:51 AM

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That isn't a hard one for me. I'd choose A every time. In CFB, that would be a little more difficult because I do enjoy watching it in general. In CBB, it would only be hard once the tournament started.

In the pro leagues I'd choose B because I don't really have favorite teams there anymore. At least not to the extent I used to.
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Posted: 8/15/2014 12:04 PM

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I'd choose the sport for college. For pro, I don't care about anything beyond Chicago, and even that is far down on my things to watch. Last night I watched Cooking shows instead of the Bears.
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Posted: 8/15/2014 12:06 PM

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B all day.  I love watching/following baseball/college football more than the alma mater or my local 9.

With baseball it is particularly easy to support B.  I could get away with radio broadcasts and box scores for an entire season and still feel very well connected to the game.

side note:  for the oldsters around here, B was your way of following your team for the most part years ago.
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Posted: 8/15/2014 12:09 PM

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bwarbiany wrote: It boils down to whether my team is competitive. If Purdue is meeting realistic expectations, i.e. the football team is a mid-tier B1G team that's typically expected to go to a bowl (like the Tiller era) and the basketball team is an upper-tier B1G team for which missing the tourney is a grave disappointment, I choose A.

In 2013, watching Purdue was maddening, so probably B.

As for other sports, I don't really have teams I really care about enough to matter, so it's a moot point.
This. If you love a team because you have ties to the university (geography, graduation, etc) BUT they rarely compete for titles or trophies, then you probably pick B, because who's really that masochistic. If you're lucky enough to support, cheer, be a fan, etc, for a mid-high success team, you pick A.


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Posted: 8/15/2014 12:15 PM

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I often watch SEC games here. Even though I don't truly call myself a fan of any SEC team. (I like certain teams more than others). But even then, I'm never emotionally invested in the game. I honestly watch it to watch the sport being played, not because I care who wins. That's B to me. What's the point? If you've seen a 300ft homerun, is the next one better? No. It's only better when it's "your" team knocking the cover off it. Even better when the homer means something. 

I know there are always magical moments. I've seen some amazing catches, some heartbreaking injuries (Prothro), some incredible feats and I'm glad I catch them. But 99% of the time, if I don't have rooting interest, it's hard to care. Honestly, it's why I gave up on sports like NFL. I don't care about the Cowboys anymore. Cincy never wins ****, so I don't bother. Cleveland Browns - masochism. NASCAR - all the great characters are replaced by pretty boy drivers who would fit in well in F1 or Indy. Bleh. No point. No Harry Gant or Dale Earnhardt to root for anymore.


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Posted: 8/15/2014 4:05 PM

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Easily A. Since having kids, I've pruned my sports tree more and more. I no longer watch any NFL, MLB or NBA. Bball is now just conference championsips and first weekend of the tournament. Football Saturday's are usually just Iowa and maybe one other B1G game. Sometimes the Saturday night game.

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Posted: 8/15/2014 4:29 PM

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Easiest A ever.
Ohio, OhioWe'll win the game or know the reason why!And when we win the game, we'll buy a keg of booze!And we'll drink to old Ohio,'Til we wobble in our shoes!Ohio, OhioWe'll win the game or know the reason why! 1907-tbdbitl. Some thingss never change.
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Posted: 8/15/2014 4:30 PM

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College football - A (the Cats are my 1st, 2nd and 3rd favorite team)
NFL - B (the Bears have always disappointed me - I'd much rather follow Brady and Peyton, my 2 favorite players)

College b-ball - A (I'm not as into March Madness as most others; of course, I would be if NU was a participant during my lifetime noidea)
NBA - A (although it is admittedly enjoyable to watch fun teams [e.g.Clippers] or root against Evil Empires [e.g. Lebron's Heat])

MLB - A, I guess
College baseball - never watched a complete game in my life, NU or otherwise

NHL - A (once the Hawks are eliminated from the playoffs, I lose interest)
College hockey - B, Cats only have a club team but I'll root for B1G squads or underdogs vs non-B1G powerhouses

All of that said, NU football is one of the few things I'm hella passionate about in life
- if every other sport (collegiate or pro) were to magically disappear from this planet or I wasn't allowed to watch them, I'd find a way to get by

Actually, to be honest, IMO b-ball and baseball are sooooooooooo freaking monotonous and boring that I usually only catch the tail end of those particular contests
- hockey is exponentially more exciting but again, I can give it up if u put a gun to my head or offer me some Reese's Peanut Butter Cups
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Last edited 8/15/2014 8:51 PM by nuwildcat

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Posted: 8/15/2014 4:34 PM

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tongue A tongue
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Posted: 8/15/2014 5:15 PM

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This is related to the recent discussion about MLB. It is trending toward a regional/local sport. It does very well on local and regional TV but very poorly (even for playoffs and W.S.) on national TV. The NFL does well all the time no matter who is playing.
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Posted: 8/15/2014 5:55 PM

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A is basically how I already watch everything, except College football.  

I don't even watch baseball anymore. Screw the Indians. Summer is too sacred to waste, watching baseball. I hadn't watched any NBA in a long time either, but for some mystifying reason, I have the sudden urge to start watching all the Cavs games, again. noidea

NFL, I mostly just watch the Browns. Since the Browns typically lose, I'm not in the mood to watch another NFL game, after their weekly 1:00est start. 

As for college football, no way am I missing any tOSU games. C'est la vie, Bearcats, NWern, Arizona, Utah, and the six Ohio MAC teams. It's been fun. But alas, you are merely mistresses. .

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Posted: 8/15/2014 6:01 PM

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For college football, I used to be an A, but I'm becoming more B. Definitely B now. I'm sure it's because I moved from Gainesville out to Arizona. Everyone isn't decked in orange and blue. I'm not the 20th guy in the room with a UF cap on. Now that I'm away from all of that, I miss it and want Gators 'stuff' as much as possible.

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Posted: 8/15/2014 6:25 PM

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OrangeAfroMan wrote: For college football, I used to be an A, but I'm becoming more B. Definitely B now. I'm sure it's because I moved from Gainesville out to Arizona. Everyone isn't decked in orange and blue. I'm not the 20th guy in the room with a UF cap on. Now that I'm away from all of that, I miss it and want Gators 'stuff' as much as possible.
That part sounds more like an A than a B.
I celebrate myself and sing myself 
And what I assume you shall assume 
For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. 
I loafe and invite my soul
I lean and loafe at my ease 
observing a spear of summer grass.
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Posted: 8/15/2014 6:27 PM

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The early results are few and interpreting them is non-scientific, but what we see so far isn't exactly counter to the predicted trend:

A higher percentage of helmet fans are As than non-helmet fans are As.
I celebrate myself and sing myself 
And what I assume you shall assume 
For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. 
I loafe and invite my soul
I lean and loafe at my ease 
observing a spear of summer grass.
~Walt Whitman

Last edited 8/15/2014 6:32 PM by dudekd

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Posted: 8/15/2014 6:43 PM

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dudekd wrote: The early results are few and interpreting them is non-scientific, but what we see so far isn't exactly counter to the predicted trend:

A higher percentage of helmet fans are As than non-helmet fans are As.
A good follow up question is if your under performing team started doing well, would you become an A? If your helmet team had a decade or two of being crap...do you become a B? Curious too if this recent drought in Ann Arbor has changed the focused CFB watcher into more of a B.

Lots of good stuff in this concept.


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Posted: 8/15/2014 7:04 PM

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Speaking only for myself, and being candid, I could never switch from an A to a B but from an A to a person who doesn't pay attention to college football anymore.

The good news for me is that though anything can happen, switching from A-to-nothing is so inconceivable/far away that not even my imagination can get there right now. But I do know that being a B is precisely inconsistent with the role sports play in my life. For me, being happy about maintenance of all-time records or a new Michigan Big Ten or national championship is firstmost about having access to a kind of bragging that everyone else wants but no one else can have. It isn't about proximity to excellent gameplay; that's very enjoyable but way-secondary.
I celebrate myself and sing myself 
And what I assume you shall assume 
For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. 
I loafe and invite my soul
I lean and loafe at my ease 
observing a spear of summer grass.
~Walt Whitman

Last edited 8/15/2014 7:20 PM by dudekd

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Posted: 8/15/2014 8:43 PM

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I think I've always been and will always be a B. I actually mentioned to my wife that the one thing I haven't enjoyed about MSU s rise is how I feel compelled again to miss big games to watch MSU when for a while, not the case. I do watch MSU over any competing game, but to me a college football Saturday is not a college football Saturday if there is just one game to watch.

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Posted: 8/15/2014 9:18 PM

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EastLansingAdam wrote: I Saturday is not a college football Saturday if there is just one game to watch.
This is why I had 3 giant TVs installed in a cluster on a wall in my house.  I can't imagine going back to one TV on a college football Saturday.
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Posted: 8/15/2014 9:22 PM

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dudekd wrote:
OrangeAfroMan wrote: For college football, I used to be an A, but I'm becoming more B. Definitely B now. I'm sure it's because I moved from Gainesville out to Arizona. Everyone isn't decked in orange and blue. I'm not the 20th guy in the room with a UF cap on. Now that I'm away from all of that, I miss it and want Gators 'stuff' as much as possible.
That part sounds more like an A than a B.
Yup, got them reversed, sorry.  B when I was younger and 'in it', now A as I'm detached.

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Posted: 8/15/2014 9:22 PM

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I'd be an A in pretty much every sport except maybe the NFL. Simple for fantasy football. I enjoy sports and can watch most any game but the thing that makes it is the rooting interest and the passion.

A number of sports I'm already a pure A. I only watch Liverpool soccer, I only watch the 3-5 Tennis players I like, golf only when guys I like are featured, college hockey only MSU.

The one thing I couldn't live without and would tear me up on a pure plan A is March Madness I always take those two days off as the opening round(the real one) is the greatest two days of sports.
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Posted: 8/15/2014 10:44 PM

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More evidence that I'm an A comes from college basketball. To me, basketball--like baseball--is just the drabbest sport to watch. But Michigan's been incredible under Beilein and I've loved watching that. The sport doesn't matter, just the team does. Once again, ELA's perspective is the most respectable one, but I'm just not that guy.
I celebrate myself and sing myself 
And what I assume you shall assume 
For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. 
I loafe and invite my soul
I lean and loafe at my ease 
observing a spear of summer grass.
~Walt Whitman
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Posted: 8/16/2014 8:24 AM

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This is really hard. College football is by far my favorite sport, but Penn State is by far my most beloved team. If there were no NFL, I might give them up, but not if I have that to satiate my general football fandom. In more support for the helmet theory, I could give them up in basketball (and I find myself watching a lot more Temple games), but probably not if and when they ever build the program to its potential:

A: Penn State (football & Olympic sports), Knicks, Yankees, Rangers
B: NFL, soccer, rugby union, cricket, college basketball, rugby league
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Posted: 8/16/2014 9:43 AM

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I would really miss the other games but, it would probably kill me to miss a Husker game

solid "A"

"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game; In the deed the glory."

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Posted: 8/16/2014 10:07 AM

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I'm just grateful that we live in a world that I can watch 90+ percent of Florida games while living 2 hours past the middle of nowhere in Arizona.

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Posted: 8/16/2014 11:03 AM

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The closest I get to a B is in soccer. I'm into the patriotism but I basically watch everyone the same modest amount.
I celebrate myself and sing myself 
And what I assume you shall assume 
For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. 
I loafe and invite my soul
I lean and loafe at my ease 
observing a spear of summer grass.
~Walt Whitman
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Posted: 8/16/2014 5:06 PM

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A for college sports.
B for pro sports since I have no affiliations there.

That said, if college sports becomes too professionalized and commercialized, I would just stop following it altogether. Dave Brandon continues to annoy me as the AD in this regard, and I'm hoping at this point that he'll leave and/or the new president will take back some control over the athletic department (but not too much as happened under Duderstadt). The other thing would be if there's any legitimately serious NCAA-related scandal (not something like the extra practice time that was more of a technicality and was more due to the DFP wanting to get some dirt on RR), but that appears quite unlikely with the current coaches.

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Posted: 8/17/2014 12:44 AM

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Guh, that's tough.

College football - Painfully B. I love CFB. Love all the elements. UW games are a special brand of stress and neurosis,but I love the variety too much.

NFL - B. One-game Sunday would be awful beyond words. And I love my teams. But... that would be an awful trade.

College b-ball - A, but barely. I love the first two weeks of the tournament. But the Tuesday OSU-MSU game holds my interest mildly less than a CFB equivalent. UW basketball has become a warped lens I see basketball through, so I stick with that.

NBA - B I really like the Warriors, but I'm giving up watching the artistry of the teams and talents of the Clippers, Thunder, Spurs, Heat and even Grizzlies. That would not do.

MLB - A I barely watch MLB as is. Just give me my teams.

College baseball - NA No Badgers.

NHL - A I enjoy the rhythms and aesthetics of hockey, but the Sharks hold more of an interest for me. Though giving up Pavel Datsyuk highlights is cruel

College hockey - A. I don't watch much non-UW college hockey. I'm interested, but rarely sit down for games.
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