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Are u okay with the people on the NCAA playoff committee?

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Posted: 8/10/2014 12:07 AM

Are u okay with the people on the NCAA playoff committee? 


Who do u approve of?

By contrast, who shouldn't be on this list and who would u replace him / her / them with?


Again, here are the committee members:

Jeff Long (Chair)

Director of athletics at the University of Arkansas, Long was a two-sport athlete at Ohio Wesleyan in the late 1970s and early 1980s. A 54-year-old native of Kettering, Ohio, Long has been athletics director at Pittsburgh and Eastern Kentucky and served in senior positions at Oklahoma, Virginia Tech and Michigan.


Barry Alvarez

Alvarez, 66, is a Pennsylvania native, Nebraska graduate and Wisconsin football coach-turned-athletics director. From 1990 to 2006 he led Wisconsin to 11 bowls (including three Rose Bowl victories) after the school had only reached six in its previous football history. He is Wisconsin's all-time winningest coach.


Lt. Gen. Michael Gould

Gould is the recently retired Superintendent of the United States Air Force Academy. He is a 1976 academy graduate and former Falcons football player as well as a command pilot with more than 3,100 flight hours. He is 60.


Pat Haden

Director of athletics at USC, Haden is a former Rhodes Scholar and quarterback for the Trojans and Los Angeles Rams. A California native, the 60-year-old Haden has been a partner in a private equity firm, a practicing attorney and the color commentator for Notre Dame football.


Tom Jernstedt

Jernstedt spent 38 years with the NCAA beginning in 1972, rising to the title of Executive Vice President and most notably overseeing the men's basketball Final Four and working with the men's basketball tournament selection committee. An Oregon native and former University of Oregon athlete, the 68-year-old Jernstedt is a past president of USA Basketball and member of the College Basketball Hall of Fame.


Oliver Luck

Director of athletics at West Virginia, Luck led the Mountaineers into the Big 12 Conference. Luck, 53, is a Cleveland native and former Rhodes Scholar finalist who played quarterback for West Virginia and the Houston Oilers. He formerly was vice president of business development for the NFL, president of NFL Europe, and the first president of the Houston Dynamo of MLS.


Archie Manning

From Drew, Miss., and a longtime New Orleans resident, Archie Manning is a University of Mississippi legend who played quarterback in the NFL from 1971-84. A frequent football commentator, the 64-year-old also runs the annual Manning Passing Academy with his sons.


Tom Osborne

Osborne, from Hastings, Neb., led the University of Nebraska football team to national championships in 1994, 1995 and 1997 (a shared title) and 13 conference championships. After retiring as the Cornhuskers' coach, he served six years in the U.S. House of Representatives and also was Nebraska's athletics director. Osborne is 76.


Dan Radakovich

Director of athletics at Clemson, Radakovich is one of 10 athletic directors appointed to lead the NCAA's restructuring efforts. The 54-year-old Aliquippa, Pa., native previously was director of athletics at Georgia Tech and American University.


Condoleezza Rice

Rice, 58, served as the United States' National Security Advisor from 2001-05 and Secretary of State from 2005-09. A native of Birmingham, Ala., she holds degrees from the University of Denver and Notre Dame, and is a professor of political science at Stanford, where she has been on faculty at Stanford since 1981.


Mike Tranghese

Tranghese was commissioner of the Big East Conference for 19 years until his retirement in June, 2008. Tranghese, 69, joined the league at its inception in 1979 and guided it through the addition of football and later expansion and contraction.


Steve Wieberg

A 59-year-old Missouri resident, Wieberg was a college sports reporter and original member of the USA TODAY staff from 1982 to 2012.


Tyrone Willingham

Willingham, 59, is a former coach at Stanford, Notre Dame and the University of Washington. A Michigan State grad, his coaching career spanned 32 seasons, and now he works as a volunteer assistant for the Stanford women's golf team.

NORTHWESTERN WILDCATS
Top-14 finish in the conference each year
Stellar 2-9 bowl record

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Posted: 8/10/2014 1:54 AM

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Search out the term, "Notre" before you comment.

Then search the term "Iowa", then the term, "Ohio State"
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Posted: 8/10/2014 2:18 AM

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That's a pretty solid group. It's a very smart group too.

LOL, a certain current US President could use a group with that much experience for his cabinet. tongue
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Posted: 8/10/2014 3:22 AM

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This isn't exactly "OT", nuwildcat.

Your sports team will soon suffer swift defeat
That theory’s back by empirical evidence
We’re gonna grind up your guys into burger meat
Again, of course, we’re speaking in the figurative sense

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Posted: 8/10/2014 5:26 AM

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I don't think it is obvious who should be on their if you decide who should not.

I hate all over generalizations.

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Posted: 8/10/2014 6:04 AM

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SunDevilFroggy wrote: This isn't exactly "OT", nuwildcat.
my bad - so used to starting all subject headers with 'OT' noidea

I just edited the title
NORTHWESTERN WILDCATS
Top-14 finish in the conference each year
Stellar 2-9 bowl record

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Posted: 8/10/2014 7:09 AM

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I think of more import are the basic parameters they will use for their determinations.

It appears to me that being conference champ is going to weigh heavily here, and teams may be selected who are ranked 7th or 10th in whatever poll, over higher ranked "at large" teams.  I think this is going to "shock" some people who think this will be top 4-5-6 teams in whatever poll.  

I also am pretty sure this will light up every message board between here and Altara in December.  The first three picks could well be fairly obvious and the fourth will not be, so you may see something like a conference champ who is 11-2 and ranked say 8th and a 12-1 team that looked good but lost in a CG in a close game ranked say 4th, or two conference champs at 11-2, or even 10-3.

This is going to be interesting.  I also sense a lot of "fans" do not realize where the games are going to be played each season.  And I myself am not completely sure how all this will impact the "major bowl games" where teams are also selected by said committee.

I hate all over generalizations.

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Posted: 8/10/2014 8:36 AM

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The best group would be a panel of 12 carefully screened fans. You heavily screen against hometown, and I think it's entirely possible. Nobody watches more football than fans.

Only downside is that frequent breaks are required for the SEC drone to chant S - E - C at something. I'm not sure they could sit still for more than about 45 minutes without doing it. Preferably a fan of a 7-5 team.

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Posted: 8/10/2014 9:04 AM

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I see some folks thinking these guys have to be football experts who watch hours and hours of games and study stats.  I really don't think that will be the case, nor should it.  Even among intelligent folks who follow CFB in great detail can disagree about Team A and Team B.  A decision by more casual "fans" can be as good.

One key is that there is no obvious evidence of partiality.  Beyond that, I'm not sure that it matters that the folks display some incredible degree of erudition about CFB.  This likely is going to be fairly simple for them in most years, though the decision on Team 4 will often be close.  I just don't think the decision here is going to be abetted by having some extreme level of knowledge of experience in CFB.  They could as well flip a coin.

I'm betting in most years, they round up the best 4 conference champs and that is that.  We may see them ranked 1, 2, 5, and 7 but they are conference champs.  Teams ranked 3, 4, 6 get left out because they were not champs.

The top team will be likely 13-0 along with two teams with one blemish and a third with two losses.

In a few years, two conference champs may look weak - have three losses or two bad losses and no good offsetting wins - and then perhaps a 12-1 nonconf champ gets invited.

That's my take anyway.  This is not going to be the top four teams, but the top four conference champs MOST of the time.

I hate all over generalizations.

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Posted: 8/10/2014 9:09 AM

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EastLansingAdam wrote: The best group would be a panel of 12 carefully screened fans. You heavily screen against hometown, and I think it's entirely possible. Nobody watches more football than fans.

Only downside is that frequent breaks are required for the SEC drone to chant S - E - C at something. I'm not sure they could sit still for more than about 45 minutes without doing it. Preferably a fan of a 7-5 team.
Most of the honks that do the S-E-C chant are fans of 2nd-tier/bottom feeder teams.  It's pretty rare to hear it from Alabama, Florida and LSU (who prefer L-S-U anyway) fans.  Sure, they have their share of a-hole fans (and what school doesn't), but for the most part, they act like they've been there... because they have.
"History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme." -- Mark Twain
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Posted: 8/10/2014 11:26 AM

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I'm fine with all the people on the list as long as they take the job seriously and are committed.  Spend some time watching games and studying stats.  Just as we fans do.

"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game; In the deed the glory."

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Posted: 8/10/2014 11:38 AM

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cincydawg4 wrote:

I'm betting in most years, they round up the best 4 conference champs and that is that.  We may see them ranked 1, 2, 5, and 7 but they are conference champs.  Teams ranked 3, 4, 6 get left out because they were not champs.

The top team will be likely 13-0 along with two teams with one blemish and a third with two losses.

In a few years, two conference champs may look weak - have three losses or two bad losses and no good offsetting wins - and then perhaps a 12-1 nonconf champ gets invited.

That's my take anyway.  This is not going to be the top four teams, but the top four conference champs MOST of the time.

I think this is the way it should play out, and I agree with this method.  There is far too few OOC games to determine which of the conferences good teams deserve to be in over a conference champ.  Besides, a 1 or 2 loss P5 team that is left out will end up with a nice bowl game against a quality opponent, that and a playoff with 4 diverse conference champs is a win for the fans.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 5:12 PM

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The athletic directors are too busy to watch a lot of games.

It should be a panel of retired coaches who are paid to do nothing but sit around and watch all the games.

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Posted: 8/10/2014 5:47 PM

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which is a huge advantage for the major conferences that are very top heavy like the Big 10
cincydawg4 wrote: I think of more import are the basic parameters they will use for their determinations.

It appears to me that being conference champ is going to weigh heavily here, and teams may be selected who are ranked 7th or 10th in whatever poll, over higher ranked "at large" teams.  I think this is going to "shock" some people who think this will be top 4-5-6 teams in whatever poll.  

I also am pretty sure this will light up every message board between here and Altara in December.  The first three picks could well be fairly obvious and the fourth will not be, so you may see something like a conference champ who is 11-2 and ranked say 8th and a 12-1 team that looked good but lost in a CG in a close game ranked say 4th, or two conference champs at 11-2, or even 10-3.

This is going to be interesting.  I also sense a lot of "fans" do not realize where the games are going to be played each season.  And I myself am not completely sure how all this will impact the "major bowl games" where teams are also selected by said committee.


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Posted: 8/10/2014 6:00 PM

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Is the selection based entirely on committee, or do rankings, or computer rankings play a role in automatically qualifying any of the teams?
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Posted: 8/10/2014 6:56 PM

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The "best four teams" are taken regardless of record.

In theory, Bama could lose four games with a back up QB, and still get in because they are "one of the top 4" when healthy.

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Posted: 8/10/2014 8:02 PM

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One of the more intriguing aspects of CFB is its' regionality (yep, made that up).  Amidst all the change and selling out, the 4 team playoff may manage to keep that aspect alive.  Conference champs from the 4 corners of the USA battle it out to determine the 1.  Doesn't sound too bad.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 10:01 PM

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Hawkinole wrote: Is the selection based entirely on committee, or do rankings, or computer rankings play a role in automatically qualifying any of the teams?
committee only

they have said they will put their "ranking" out mid season to let teams know where they stand

this should encourage running up the score

"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game; In the deed the glory."

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Posted: 8/10/2014 11:12 PM

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I'll bet my house this won't be the case.

It will be the 4 teams from the top 5 as decided by the polls. 

That said, hope you are correct since that would mean the committee is actually doing their job but it won't, it'll be the 4 teams from the consensus top 5
cincydawg4 wrote: I see some folks thinking these guys have to be football experts who watch hours and hours of games and study stats.  I really don't think that will be the case, nor should it.  Even among intelligent folks who follow CFB in great detail can disagree about Team A and Team B.  A decision by more casual "fans" can be as good.

One key is that there is no obvious evidence of partiality.  Beyond that, I'm not sure that it matters that the folks display some incredible degree of erudition about CFB.  This likely is going to be fairly simple for them in most years, though the decision on Team 4 will often be close.  I just don't think the decision here is going to be abetted by having some extreme level of knowledge of experience in CFB.  They could as well flip a coin.

I'm betting in most years, they round up the best 4 conference champs and that is that.  We may see them ranked 1, 2, 5, and 7 but they are conference champs.  Teams ranked 3, 4, 6 get left out because they were not champs.

The top team will be likely 13-0 along with two teams with one blemish and a third with two losses.

In a few years, two conference champs may look weak - have three losses or two bad losses and no good offsetting wins - and then perhaps a 12-1 nonconf champ gets invited.

That's my take anyway.  This is not going to be the top four teams, but the top four conference champs MOST of the time.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 6:15 AM

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They have already stated that being conference champ will weigh heavily on their decision.  The only question is how much.  If it not at least as much as an extra loss, it barely means anything, a tie breaker effectively.

I think an 11-2 conference champ gets selected over a higher ranked 11-1 non champ 90% of the time.  I don't know how else to read what has been said about their selection criteria.  This is not going to be "take the top four ranked teams" in any poll, even their own.

We'll see anyway.

I hate all over generalizations.

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Posted: 8/11/2014 6:30 AM

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Vermonter wrote: The athletic directors are too busy to watch a lot of games.

It should be a panel of retired coaches who are paid to do nothing but sit around and watch all the games.

I don't mind a couple of former coaches on the panel but I don't want 12 Bobby Bowdens presiding over this.  I'm comfortable with the committee and their mix of backgrounds.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 8:20 AM

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Its fine I guess. However I'm pretty sure Ty Willingham died sometime during his Washington stint and was propped up weekend at bernies style. 

Besides how hard is it to pick the 4 best SEC teams?
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Posted: 8/11/2014 8:36 AM

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Kris60 wrote:
Vermonter wrote: The athletic directors are too busy to watch a lot of games.

It should be a panel of retired coaches who are paid to do nothing but sit around and watch all the games.

I don't mind a couple of former coaches on the panel but I don't want 12 Bobby Bowdens presiding over this.  I'm comfortable with the committee and their mix of backgrounds.
Good point, but any AD that is watching all of these games isn't doing their primary job. It's a very time consuming position.

Football Saturday is an all day event for them. When are they gonna watch the other games?

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I don't necessarily think they have to watch 12 hours of football on Saturdays to be informed. They can TiVo some key games and watch parts of them whenever they get a chance. There are some games that don't need watched. If Ohio St beats Purdue 35-3 and the box score tells me Braxton Miller threw for 250 yards and 4 TDs then I feel like I have a pretty good idea how that game went. I don't need to spend 3 hours watching that.

These people are plugged in. If they want to get their hands on tape of any game in the country they will be able to.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 9:04 AM

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The panel will watch the games. They don't have to see them live. Also, strength of schedule counts. The panel doesn't have to agree upon the strength of schedule that the polsters use. SEC teams or teams that avoid scheduling other big conference opponents of note will be penalized (some have commented that maybe this year they will be a little forgiving since schedules are set so far in advance). So there will be separation based on that similar to the NCAA basketball tourney. I disagree with the casual fans. I find many people watch just a few games outside their conference of choice and certainly not schools with lesser known names. I have a hard time finding people who have actually seen RU play outside the NJ/NY area, for example, even though many of the people I interact with are savvy regarding their own teams. Many express their opinions based on reputation, ESPN news (which is biased) and hearsay and it would be hard to find someone who can spend the time to catch up sometime during the season. A few years back I heard a lot about the Big East being weaker (at the time) in football, yet they went undefeated in Bowl play and beat top team in those teams' back yards.So you have to judge level of play in the whole conference. I think the B1G should do well on that basis as they are the deepest conference. But not according to ESPN. The sports writer is the only one I think shouldn't be on the panel. Tranghese was always more of a basketball guy.

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Posted: 8/11/2014 9:34 AM

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I wanted a committee of all college football "experts" to decide the four playoff teams. It isn't as if nobody else could do the job, but it you want the job done as well as humanly possible (and take the task as seriously as it should have been taken) then football "experts" were really the only way to go IMO. By not selecting college football "experts" only, the NCAA is sending a message that other issues are actually more important than selecting the four best teams for the playoff (inclusion, popularity, looking good in the media, etc.).

There are some college football experts on the committee and I support those people. If it was up to me I would kick Lt. Gen. Michael Gould, Dan Radakovich, Condoleezza Rice (the least qualified) and Mike Tranghese for not having the level of expertise that I wanted. I would replace them with people that could amaze me with their deep knowledge and love of college football.

I would keep Tom Jernstedt (the NCAA basketball tourney expert), as that committee has done an amazing job of selecting for years, and maybe this entire committee could learn a lot from his experience. He is the lone non "expert" that I would keep on the committee for his specialized knowledge. There are some smart football thinkers on this board that I would have no problem with on the selection committee.

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Posted: 8/11/2014 12:03 PM

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I wanted a committee of all college football "experts" to decide the four playoff teams. It isn't as if nobody else could do the job, but it you want the job done as well as humanly possible (and take the task as seriously as it should have been taken) then football "experts" were really the only way to go IMO. By not selecting college football "experts" only, the NCAA is sending a message that other issues are actually more important than selecting the four best teams for the playoff (inclusion, popularity, looking good in the media, etc.).

There are some college football experts on the committee and I support those people. If it was up to me I would kick Lt. Gen. Michael Gould, Dan Radakovich, Condoleezza Rice (the least qualified) and Mike Tranghese for not having the level of expertise that I wanted. I would replace them with people that could amaze me with their deep knowledge and love of college football.

I would keep Tom Jernstedt (the NCAA basketball tourney expert), as that committee has done an amazing job of selecting for years, and maybe this entire committee could learn a lot from his experience. He is the lone non "expert" that I would keep on the committee for his specialized knowledge. There are some smart football thinkers on this board that I would have no problem with on the selection committee.

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I don't necessarily think you need 12 people who are X's and O's experts or college football historians. I think it's good to have some people like that and this particular committee satisfies that requirement. I think you need people to take a common sense approach to it. Compare records, compare schedules, and yeah, watch the games and see who passes your eye test but I don't think you need to watch every play of every game.

However, if this committee wants to play catch up and watch game tapes they can easily do so. Btw, my guess everyone on the committee is passionate about the game even if their levels of knowledge are different.

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Posted: 8/11/2014 1:18 PM

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Ty Willingham is a volunteer, assistant coach for women's golf?

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Posted: 8/11/2014 2:29 PM

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BuckeyeAvenger - Condoleeza Rice is probably one of the most knowledgable people on the list! This is what I was saying regarding the casual fans. She has been in front of the media many times and asked very detailed questions about football teams across the country. Her mind is amazing. She can probably name all of your starters, know who you played the last 5 years and how you did. That's off the top of her head! She is a football junkie and has amazed coaches with her knowledge of the game. I doubt very much whether coaches who vote in polls know half as much as she does and many have admitted they don't follow other teams closely or catch certain games before they cast their vote. Ask Phil Steele who'd he prefer to have on the list. People who follow the sport across the country are pretty aware of her expertise in this and other areas. She's also talented in music and other areas. Not getting political, but based on what I have seen of her knowledge in college football, I'm more confident she knows what is going on than anyone else on the list. It wasn't a political choice by any means. She was selected for demonstrated command of this area.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 2:52 PM

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Mike Tranghese is a certified idiot that was one of the main reasons the Big East went under. He isn't qualified to pick his own nose. Otherwise, they look alright. Really don't see how you can have currently employed AD's and expect them to be objective. In any event they can't do any worse than the coaches that don't watch the games, and the press that's never played the game.


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Posted: 8/11/2014 3:25 PM

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graystork wrote: Mike Tranghese is a certified idiot that was one of the main reasons the Big East went under. He isn't qualified to pick his own nose. Otherwise, they look alright. Really don't see how you can have currently employed AD's and expect them to be objective. In any event they can't do any worse than the coaches that don't watch the games, and the press that's never played the game.
Agreed!  And I think Rice is a total political pick for her gender and connections with Stanford.  All active AD's should recuse themselves.  Moreover, I don't think this list bodes well for the BIG.
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