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Posted: 8/7/2014 8:13 PM

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espn.go.com/college-sports/sto...wer-conferences


Seems like Pandora's box is opened.


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Posted: 8/7/2014 9:33 PM

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semi-pro's now.   wonder which player will be the first to "make" more than a coach.

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Posted: 8/7/2014 11:58 PM

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http://espn.go.com/college-foo...-only-schedules

poll of Power 5 coaches on playing 'all power 5 non-conf schedule.'


Interesting results, about what I expected.  I definitely see the 'no' side of it.  From a selfish Power 5 fan, I don't care what happens to the MAC perspective, its great.  Flip side, the conference schedules are not alike either.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 8:01 AM

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The beginning of the end is here.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 8:06 AM

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847badgerfan wrote: The beginning of the end is here.

Pretty sure that was a while ago
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Posted: 8/8/2014 8:07 AM

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MaximumSam wrote:
847badgerfan wrote: The beginning of the end is here.

Pretty sure that was a while ago
Yeah, but now it's official.

I blame the NFL.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 8:41 AM

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847badgerfan wrote:
MaximumSam wrote:
847badgerfan wrote: The beginning of the end is here.

Pretty sure that was a while ago
Yeah, but now it's official.

I blame the NFL.
I blame greed.


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Posted: 8/8/2014 8:52 AM

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I think we're at the middle of the end.  The end of the end is nigh.  Injury liability is going to be the final nail I think, and it's going to kill the entire sport.  When little league, junior high, and high school stop playing the sport, it's dead all the way to the top.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 9:00 AM

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utee94 wrote: I think we're at the middle of the end.  The end of the end is nigh.  Injury liability is going to be the final nail I think, and it's going to kill the entire sport.  When little league, junior high, and high school stop playing the sport, it's dead all the way to the top.

Injury liability seems like something pretty easy to plan around.  Develop methods to prevent injuries and waive around known risks of injury.  A lot of the liability, especially surrounding concussions, is the fact that until recently they were pretty much ignored by players and teams.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 9:00 AM

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utee94 wrote: I think we're at the middle of the end.  The end of the end is nigh.  Injury liability is going to be the final nail I think, and it's going to kill the entire sport.  When little league, junior high, and high school stop playing the sport, it's dead all the way to the top.
I agree UT.

It is happening at that level already, you have high schools going to "pay to play" plans, junior sports that are expanding to three or four days a week, requiring more time to prevent playing other sports, and youth leagues that are basically saying to parents, "look, you child needs to go this camp, program etc. IF they want playing time..."  and that at the U6-8 age.   When the bridge finally breaks, it will be ugly.  I know a lot of family and friends who have been watching less and less CFB because of all the crap.  Die hard fans (like Badge) who have opted out of season tickets that they have had for decades as well......its UGLY for sure and only getting worse.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 9:01 AM

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bamabuckeye144 wrote:
847badgerfan wrote:
MaximumSam wrote:
847badgerfan wrote: The beginning of the end is here.

Pretty sure that was a while ago
Yeah, but now it's official.

I blame the NFL.
I blame greed.
Same difference.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 9:02 AM

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utee94 wrote: I think we're at the middle of the end.  The end of the end is nigh.  Injury liability is going to be the final nail I think, and it's going to kill the entire sport.  When little league, junior high, and high school stop playing the sport, it's dead all the way to the top.
Youth football is still growing though.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 9:04 AM

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bamabuckeye144 wrote:
847badgerfan wrote:
MaximumSam wrote:
847badgerfan wrote: The beginning of the end is here.

Pretty sure that was a while ago
Yeah, but now it's official.

I blame the NFL.
I blame greed.

I agree.  The NFL is a business built on making money.  They are popular and make money.  College football followed suit, but seemed to think they didn't have to share the wealth with their employees, which the market and legal system is correcting right now.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 9:27 AM

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847badgerfan wrote:
utee94 wrote: I think we're at the middle of the end.  The end of the end is nigh.  Injury liability is going to be the final nail I think, and it's going to kill the entire sport.  When little league, junior high, and high school stop playing the sport, it's dead all the way to the top.
Youth football is still growing though.
Depends upon where you are talking.  The 7-7 camps and contests are getting bigger, but not sure that the overall football program is growing.  I know a lot of parents who steer their boys away from football into other sports like LaCrosse and Hockey because of the concussion injury debates and such.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 9:40 AM

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What's the end of the end look like? It's hard to see the future when lawyers, agents, money, lawsuits, NFL dreams, coaches, recruiting and players all collide. I'm trying to guess how this all turns out. I think we can all envision the big mushroom cloud, but what happens in the interim?


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Posted: 8/8/2014 9:44 AM

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roaddawg2 wrote:
847badgerfan wrote:
utee94 wrote: I think we're at the middle of the end.  The end of the end is nigh.  Injury liability is going to be the final nail I think, and it's going to kill the entire sport.  When little league, junior high, and high school stop playing the sport, it's dead all the way to the top.
Youth football is still growing though.
Depends upon where you are talking.  The 7-7 camps and contests are getting bigger, but not sure that the overall football program is growing.  I know a lot of parents who steer their boys away from football into other sports like LaCrosse and Hockey because of the concussion injury debates and such.
High school football enrollment is way down in Michigan and Pennsylvania.  I read my alma mater in MI, which is still one of the bigger high schools in the state, had 36 kids come out for football last year.

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Posted: 8/8/2014 9:51 AM

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EastLansingAdam wrote:
roaddawg2 wrote:
847badgerfan wrote:
utee94 wrote: I think we're at the middle of the end.  The end of the end is nigh.  Injury liability is going to be the final nail I think, and it's going to kill the entire sport.  When little league, junior high, and high school stop playing the sport, it's dead all the way to the top.
Youth football is still growing though.
Depends upon where you are talking.  The 7-7 camps and contests are getting bigger, but not sure that the overall football program is growing.  I know a lot of parents who steer their boys away from football into other sports like LaCrosse and Hockey because of the concussion injury debates and such.
High school football enrollment is way down in Michigan and Pennsylvania.  I read my alma mater in MI, which is still one of the bigger high schools in the state, had 36 kids come out for football last year.
I read an article a few days ago about a kid in PA dying during practice. Horrible news, of course, but also fuel for the fire, as they stated that something like 40 kids or so have died from heat related causes during the past 20 years.


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Posted: 8/8/2014 10:14 AM

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MaximumSam wrote:
utee94 wrote: I think we're at the middle of the end.  The end of the end is nigh.  Injury liability is going to be the final nail I think, and it's going to kill the entire sport.  When little league, junior high, and high school stop playing the sport, it's dead all the way to the top.

Injury liability seems like something pretty easy to plan around.  Develop methods to prevent injuries and waive around known risks of injury.  A lot of the liability, especially surrounding concussions, is the fact that until recently they were pretty much ignored by players and teams.
Almost impossible. My Grandson had his leg broken in a HS game last year. By a horse collar tackle that wasn't even flagged.

Good for me that I was not at the game. I would still be in jail for what I would have done to the ref.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 11:16 AM

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Football is up here where I live.

Hockey has picked up considerably, but it's really expensive. LaCrosse has not really taken off yet.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 12:28 PM

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--- bamabuckeye144 wrote:


EastLansingAdam wrote:
roaddawg2 wrote:
847badgerfan wrote:
utee94 wrote: I think we're at the middle of the end.  The end of the end is nigh.  Injury liability is going to be the final nail I think, and it's going to kill the entire sport.  When little league, junior high, and high school stop playing the sport, it's dead all the way to the top.
Youth football is still growing though.
Depends upon where you are talking.  The 7-7 camps and contests are getting bigger, but not sure that the overall football program is growing.  I know a lot of parents who steer their boys away from football into other sports like LaCrosse and Hockey because of the concussion injury debates and such.
High school football enrollment is way down in Michigan and Pennsylvania.  I read my alma mater in MI, which is still one of the bigger high schools in the state, had 36 kids come out for football last year.
I read an article a few days ago about a kid in PA dying during practice. Horrible news, of course, but also fuel for the fire, as they stated that something like 40 kids or so have died from heat related causes during the past 20 years.

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Last I heard, the football tie in was just a coincidence. He had a tumor in his heart that was undiagnosed, and it would have happened no matter what. It happened right after stretching, they hadn't done any workout yet and temperatures were in the low 70s

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Posted: 8/8/2014 6:43 PM

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ALA2262 wrote:
MaximumSam wrote:
utee94 wrote: I think we're at the middle of the end.  The end of the end is nigh.  Injury liability is going to be the final nail I think, and it's going to kill the entire sport.  When little league, junior high, and high school stop playing the sport, it's dead all the way to the top.

Injury liability seems like something pretty easy to plan around.  Develop methods to prevent injuries and waive around known risks of injury.  A lot of the liability, especially surrounding concussions, is the fact that until recently they were pretty much ignored by players and teams.
Almost impossible. My Grandson had his leg broken in a HS game last year. By a horse collar tackle that wasn't even flagged.

Good for me that I was not at the game. I would still be in jail for what I would have done to the ref.

I don't mean injuries are easy to plan around, but the liability i.e. the schools being financially responsible for the injuries.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 6:45 PM

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It appears the O'Bannon case has a judgment, and the judge decided the NCAA can not limit players from profiting off of their likenesses, up to a potential cap of $5,000. I have not read the decision, so am relying on news outlets, which are notoriously wrong on nuanced legal matters.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 7:00 PM

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Upon a power read of the decision, it appears the NCAA can still prohibit endorsements and other similar things. For using players likenesses, it can not enforce rules that pay student athletes up to a cap of the cost of attendance, whatever that is.

The seemingly bigger deal is that the NCAA may also not enforce rules against setting up trusts for students based on using player likenesses, up to a cap of $5000. What this is telling me is that schools may set up these trusts, and the NCAA can do nothing about them, up to the $5000 limit per player per year.

The order does not go into effect until the "next recruiting cycle" which from what I'm reading means 2016.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 10:10 AM

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So to the college admin's Emmert's sole redemming value and the reason why he was employed was that he kept the status quo and now that is even moot. I'll make any bet that Emmert is so smug that he probably thought he crushed it at the hearing and was so sure that the NCAA would win right up to the power conferences aligning. 

Its really not going to do much. If anything it might tone down the ridiculious wild west bidding wars for coaches (who's salaries have increased around 5 fold in a bit over a decade) and the insane amount of money that are being spent on facilities that would make the NFL and sides like Real Madrid blush. There is plenty of money to go around. There are now threevee sports networks who need live programming. 

If this was so horrible then its the greed of the NCAA that is solely at fault. This O'Bannon case was kicking around for 5 years and no steps were taken to address all the money flowing in. The game plan was tell the players/media, "Oh we are going to help, just give us more time." "Well its not time yet but it will be". Then every 3 months or so some idiot like Delany would get liquored up and blab "Eh players are never getting paid". It was all a charade and you have to be an idiot not to have seen through it. 

Funny the NW Union was only asking for guarenteed scholarships and health benefits. 

If anything the real demise of power conference football is eliminating games that no one ever wanted eliminated for the sake of TV dollars.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 12:32 PM

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bamabuckeye144 wrote:
847badgerfan wrote:
MaximumSam wrote:
847badgerfan wrote: The beginning of the end is here.

Pretty sure that was a while ago
Yeah, but now it's official.

I blame the NFL.
I blame greed.
The powers that be saw a market. We couldn't get enough CFB. They sought to provide it. But it put them in an unstable middle ground. Eventually all the parts wanted some sort of piece, and in truth, the schools with the resources want to provide them. Mid-Majors were fun, but they're not what drove the sport and never will be.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 10:26 AM

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Do you think any college athletes should get paid?

  1.  
    21 %
    yes; all of them deserve money.
    59,657 votes
  2.  
    4 %
    no; only football & basketball players should get paid.
    12,848 votes
  3. 71 %
    No; tuition, room & board is enough.
    204,911 votes
  4.  
    2 %
    I don't know.
    5,367 votes
  5.  
    2 %
    No opinion
    7,079 votes

Total Responses: 289,863
Results are updated every minute.

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Posted: 8/11/2014 11:19 AM

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Ha. Here's the other poll:

Do you think college athletes should be paid?

College Athletes - YES 99%
                                  NO 1%


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Posted: 8/11/2014 11:28 AM

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I'm rapidly coming to an opinion that athletics and education need to be separated at ALL levels. Everything becomes a club sport, run by for-profit companies.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 11:57 AM

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I don't really see why that is necessary. To the extent sports are part of college at all, such programs do help people. The biggest issue has been restricting the help it makes - if a football player can generate thousands of dollars in revenue for himself and the university, why on earth are we stopping that from happening, or limiting all the revenue to the universities? The whole thing is about benefitting the students.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 12:42 PM

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MaximumSam wrote: I don't really see why that is necessary. To the extent sports are part of college at all, such programs do help people. The biggest issue has been restricting the help it makes - if a football player can generate thousands of dollars in revenue for himself and the university, why on earth are we stopping that from happening, or limiting all the revenue to the universities? The whole thing is about benefitting the students.
How so?
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