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Frequency of Matchups among current B1G teams

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Posted: 7/21/2014 10:39 AM

Frequency of Matchups among current B1G teams 


This grew out of another thread.  

Top 25 most frequent matchups of teams currently in the B1G:
  1. Wisconsin-Minnesota, 123 games (1890-1905, 1907-2013)
  2. IU-Purude, 116 games (1891-94, 1897-1902, 1904-05, 1908-17, 1920-2013)
  3. tOSU-M, 110 games (1897, 1900-1912, 1918-2013)
  4. Illinois-Northwestern, 107 games (1892-96, 1900-04, 1908-15, 1922-23, 1927-2013)
  5. t Iowa-Minnesota, 107 games (1891, 1901-1905, 1909, 1911-12, 1914-16, 1918-1929, 1931-2013)
  6. M-MSU, 106 games (1898, 1902, 1907-08, 1910-1942, 1945-2013)
  7. tOSU-Illinois, 100 games (1902, 1904, 1914-2002, 2005-2013)
  8. t, M-Minnesota, 100 games (1892-93, 1895-97, 1902-03, 1909-10, 1919-27[including 2x in 1926], 1929-98, 2001-08, 2011-2013)
  9. Northwestern-Wisconsin, 95 games (1890-1892 [including 2x in both 1891 and 1892], 1895-99, 1902-03, 1909-12, 1919-21, 1929-30, 1934-2000, 2003-06, 2009-10, 2013)
  10. M-Illinois, 94 games (1898-1900, 1905-06, 1919-22, 1924-2004, 2007-2012)
  11. Minnesota-Northwestern, 89 games
  12. t, Illinois-Purdue, 89 games
  13. tOSU-Indiana, 87 games
  14. t, Wisconsin-Iowa, 87 games
  15. Iowa-Purdue, 84 games
  16. Indiana-Northwestern, 81 games
  17. t, Illinois-Wisconsin, 81 games
  18. t, Wisconsin-Purdue, 81 games
  19. tOSU-Wisconsin, 79 games
  20. Purdue-Northwestern, 78 games
  21. tOSU-Northwestern, 75 games
  22. t, Iowa-Northwestern
  23. Iowa-Indiana, 74 games
  24. M-Northwestern, 72 games
  25. Indiana-Illinois, 71 games
Bolded matchups will continue annually as intradivisional games.  
Underlined matchups will continue annually as protected cross-over interdivisional games.  

Years each team has been in the B1G (football seasons):
DivTeamYearsYears
WMinn1181896-2013
WUW1181896-2013
WIll1181896-2013
WNU1181896-2013
WPU1181896-2013
WIowa1141900-2013
WUNL32011-2013
EIU1141900-2013
EMich1081896-1906 and 1917-2013
EtOSU1011913-2013
EMSU611953-2013
EPSU211993-2013
EMD02014-
ERU02014-

All matchups:
Team/TeamMichIUtOSUMSUPSUMDRUMinnILLNUUWIowaPUUNL
Michn/a62110106173010094726459589
IU62n/a87601720677181607411619
tOSU11087n/a42290050100757964564
MSU1066042n/a28554645545245648
PSU17172928n/a372413211617251716
MD320537n/a91000010
RU0005249n/a0230001
Minn1006750461310n/a66891231076954
Ill947110045210266n/a10781698911
NU72817554160389107n/a9575787
UW6460795217001238195n/a87818
Iowa597464452500107697587n/a8444
PU58116566417106989788184n/a2
UNL919481601541178442n/a
Avg        58.00        55.08        53.54        43.08        21.31          4.46          3.38        60.38        58.15        57.85        57.46        56.38        55.00        14.08
E-AVG        49.67        38.00        44.67        41.00        25.33          9.33          6.33        39.57        47.57        43.00        38.86        38.14        44.57          8.14
W-AVG        65.14        69.71        61.14        44.86        17.86          0.29          0.86        84.67        70.50        75.17        79.17        77.67        67.17        21.00

Note that all teams except PSU, MD, and RU have played, on average, more games against West-Division teams than against East-Division teams.  

The West-Division includes all five members that have been in the conference every year since 1896.  It also includes six of the seven members that have been in the conference for at least 114 years and only one new member.
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Last edited 7/21/2014 9:23 PM by medinabuckeye1

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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:13 AM

Re: Frequency of Matchups among current B1G teams 


Would be interested to see those stats 1953- present and 1993-present, to see the most common matchups in the 10 team and 11 team eras.

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Posted: 7/21/2014 12:10 PM

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EastLansingAdam wrote: Would be interested to see those stats 1953- present and 1993-present, to see the most common matchups in the 10 team and 11 team eras.
Also 1965-present.  

Can you or anyone else on here confirm that Conference scheduling started in 1965?  I think it did because up through 1964 the teams played an unequal number of games.  For example, in 1964 Michigan won the conference at 6-1 and tOSU was second at 5-1.  
  • Michigan, Purdue, Illinois, Minnesota, Northwestern, and Wisconsin played seven games
  • Ohio State, MSU, Iowa, and IU played six games.  
Also, Ohio State and Minnesota played only VERY sporadically in 1964 and before.  Even though both were members of the conference from the time tOSU joined in 1913 the two teams only played 10 times in the 52 years from then until 1964.  

From 1965 to the present, tOSU and Minnesota have only missed each other sporadically:
  • 67
  • 68
  • 93
  • 94
  • 03
  • 04
  • 11
  • 12
  • 13

Starting in 1965 the teams in the conference generally played a uniform number of games every year:
 - 7 games from 1965-1970
 - 8 games from 1971-1980  with the following exceptions:
  • NU and Iowa played 9 in '71
  • NU and Wisconsin played 9 in '78
  • NU and Minnesota played 9 in '79 & '80
 - 9 games from 1981-1984 with the following exceptions:
  • Ohio State and Iowa played 8 games in '81 and '82
 - 8 games from 1985-2013
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Posted: 7/21/2014 12:18 PM

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EastLansingAdam wrote: Would be interested to see those stats 1953- present and 1993-present, to see the most common matchups in the 10 team and 11 team eras.
I'm not doing all of it, but here it is from 1993-2013 for the five East-Division teams that have been in the conference during that time:

Penn State:
  • 21 - tOSU
  • 18 - MSU
  • 17 - IU, ILL, M
  • 16 - NU, Iowa
  • 15 - PU, UW
  • 13 - MN
  • 12 - Temple
  • (next highest is 5 games)
Ohio State:
  • 21 - PSU, M
  • 19 - ILL
  • 17 - IU, PU, UW
  • 15 - MSU
  • 14 - MN
  • 13 - NU, Iowa
  • (next highest is 5 games)
Michigan:
  • 21 - tOSU, MSU
  • 17 - MN, ND, PSU
  • 16 - PU, ILL
  • 15 - NU, Iowa,
  • 14 - UW
  • 13 - IU
  • (next highest is 5 games)
MSU:
  • 21 - M
  • 19 - ND
  • 18 - PSU
  • 17 - IU, NU, PU, UW, Iowa
  • 15 - MN, tOSU
  • 13 - ILL
  • (next highest is 7 games)
Indiana:
  • 21 - PU
  • 19 - ILL
  • 18 - Iowa
  • 17 - MSU, UW, PSU, tOSU
  • 16 - NU
  • 13 - MN, UK, M
  • (next highest is 7 games)
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Posted: 7/21/2014 4:06 PM

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Going back to 1965 (which I believe - see above - is when Conference Scheduling of Conference Games began), Ohio State has missed the various other Conference Teams as follows:
  • 14 out of 49 years - Purdue and Northwestern (avg of 2 of every 7 years)
  • 13 out of 49 years - Michigan State (roughly 2 of 7 years)
  • 12 out of 49 years - Iowa (roughly 1 of 4 years)
  • 9 out of 49 years - Minnesota (roughly 1 of 5 years)
  • 8 out of 49 years - Indiana (roughly 1 of 6 years)
  • 4 out of 49 years - Wisconsin (roughly 1 of 12 years)
  • 2 out of 49 years - Illinois (roughly 1 of 25 years)
  • 1 out of 3 years - Nebraska (1 of 3 years)
  • 0 out of 49 years - Michigan (n/a)
  • 0 out of 21 years - Penn State (n/a)
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Posted: 7/21/2014 4:19 PM

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All the more reason why OSU and UW should play every year.
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Posted: 7/21/2014 6:09 PM

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Just scanning the #s it appears that Minnesota may have played the most conference games. Have you looked at that #?

Anyone else wonder how these schools decided how many conference games they would play, and whether there was a regulation about that number?

It is no wonder Notre Dame wanted to join the Big Ten in the 1920, 30s, 40s, and 50s. They could claim to be part of a conference in football while actually remaining independent; sort of like they do today.

Last edited 7/21/2014 6:11 PM by Hawkinole

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Posted: 7/21/2014 7:24 PM

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Hawkinole wrote: Just scanning the #s it appears that Minnesota may have played the most conference games. Have you looked at that #?
Not exactly and I can't exactly figure it out with that spreadsheet because I did all games against teams currently in the conference.  Minnesota's total includes 51 non-conference games against Nebraska as well as six non-conference games against Wisconsin (1890-1895) and (probably) various others.  Also, this does not include conference games against Chicago.  

Nonetheless, here are the total number of games played by current B1G teams against other current B1G teams:  
  1. 785 - Minnesota
  2. 756 - Illinois
  3. 754 - Michigan
  4. 752 - Northwestern
  5. 747 - Wisconsin
  6. 733 - Iowa
  7. 716 - Indiana
  8. 715 - Purdue
  9. 696 - Ohio State
  10. 560 - Michigan State
  11. 277 - Penn State
  12. 183 - Nebraska
  13. 58 - Maryland
  14. 44 - Rutgers 
Purdue seems to be the most out-of-place to me.  The other four teams that have been in the conference for all 118 years of it's existence are all in  the top-5 above.  Why is Purdue all the way down at #8?  

At first glance Michigan seems out of place because they have been in the conference for 10 less seasons than the other original members but they make up for it with non-conference games against MSU and tOSU before those two schools joined the league.  
Hawkinole wrote:
Anyone else wonder how these schools decided how many conference games they would play, and whether there was a regulation about that number?
If you can come up with the answer to that please share, I would like to know.  In the early days of the conference it frequently had a major impact on the championship.  In the first four years (1896-1899) the champion had the same number of wins and ties as the runner up but the runner up played more games and had more losses.  Then the next two years (1900-1901) the winner and the runner up had the same number of losses and ties but the champion played more games and had more wins.  In 1902 we reverted back to the 1896-1899 situation.  

By 1905 Chicago was playing seven conference games (they won at 7-0) while everyone else was playing two (Indiana, Iowa, Northwestern) or three (Michigan, Minnesota, Purdue, Wisconsin, Illinois).  

By the time Ohio State joined (1913) the schools were all over the board in terms of games played:
  • 7 - Chicago
  • 6 - Indiana, Northwestern
  • 5 - Purdue, Illinois
  • 4 - Wisconsin
  • 3 - Iowa, Minnesota, Ohio State
As late as 1964 there was still significant variation:
  • 7 - Michigan, Purdue, Illinois, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin
  • 6 - Ohio State, Michigan State, Iowa, Indiana

From 1965 on it was generally pretty uniform but there were still single-game differences for two teams in 1971 and 1978-1982.  

In those last two years of different-length schedules it had an impact on the championship both years:
  • In 1981 tOSU and Iowa did not play each other and both finished 6-2.  All other teams in the conference played a full round-robin and Michigan, Illinois, and Wisconsin tied for third at 6-3.  If tOSU and Iowa had played the winner would have been an outright Champion at 7-2 while the loser would have been part of a 4-way tie for second at 6-3.  Iowa went to the RoseBowl based on the "longest loser rule".  
  • In 1982 Michigan won the conference at 8-1 while tOSU finished second at 7-1.  The Buckeyes won the head-to-head so they would have gone to the RoseBowl if they had played and beaten the Hawkeyes.  Alternatively, if Iowa had played and beaten tOSU then they would have finished tied with tOSU for second instead of in third place.  
Then in 1983 Illinois became the only team to ever defeat every other BigTen team in football in the same season (9-0).  Interestingly:
  • Michigan (8-1) beat every other team except Illinois.
  • Iowa (7-2) beat every other team except Illinois and Michigan.  
  • Ohio State (6-3) beat every other team except Illinois, Michigan, and Iowa.  
  • Wisconsin (5-4) beat every other team except Illinois, Michigan, Iowa, and Ohio State.  
  • Purdue (3-5-1) beat or tied every other team except Illinois, Michigan, Iowa, Ohio State, and Wisconsin.  
I think it would be hard to find an example of a year in which there was less plausible room to debate about power rankings.  On the other hand, Ohio State did have to play the top-3 teams on the road and lost those games by 4, 3, and 6 points so there is ALWAYS some room to debate.
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Posted: 7/21/2014 8:11 PM

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847badgerfan wrote: All the more reason why OSU and UW should play every year.
A lot of these series I really can't make heads or tails of why they were or were not played years ago.  Ohio State v Wisconsin is one that really makes no sense to me:
  • Never played before tOSU joined the Conference (this makes sense because the two are not all that close geographically.  
  • played 8 straight years (1913-1920) - tied 4-4
  • skipped 9 straight years (1921-1929)
  • played 4 straight years (1930-1933) - Ohio State led 2-0-2
  • skipped 7 straight years (1934-1940)
  • played 2 straight years (1941-1942) tied 1-1
  • skipped 1 year (1943)
  • played 3 straight years (1944-1946) Ohio State led 2-1
  • skipped 1 year (1947)
  • played 49 straight years (1948-1996) - Ohio State led 39-7-3
  • skipped 2 years (1997-1998)
  • played 6 straight years (1999-2004) - Wisconsin led 4-2
  • skipped 2 years (2005-2006) 
  • played 7 straight years (2007-2013) - Ohio State led 6-1
I don't understand why there were no breaks between 1948 and 1996:
  • There is no geographic reason for a rivalry.  During all of that time tOSU was farther away from Wisconsin than any other conference member until the 1993 addition of PSU.  Wisconsin was farther away from tOSU than any other conference members except Iowa (nearly even), and Minnesota.  
  • It wasn't a competitive rivalry.  Wisconsin was not a good team for the majority of this timeframe and Ohio State accordingly dominated 39-7-3 at one point winning 21 straight (1960-1980).  
  • Really the series has only been sporadically competitive.  Wisconsin won:
  • 4 of the first 6 (4-2)
  • 5 of 7 from 1981-1987 (5-2)
  • 4 of 6 from 1999-2004 (4-2)
  • So Wisconsin has a 13-6 advantage in those 19 games.  Ohio State leads the other 60 games 50-5-5.  

I don't mean to put down Wisconsin.  They have a very strong program NOW.  However, you and I both know that from 1948-1996 they generally didn't.  Why did Ohio State play Wisconsin every year while missing Iowa 8 times and Purdue 20 times even though both Iowa and Purdue were more competitive than Wisconsin?  I don't get that.  I especially don't get it with regard to Purdue because Purdue is nearby in a neighboring state.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:18 AM

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In the early years of the conference, some of the schools put less emphasis on athletics than others, but they all shared the common belief that athletes should be students and not paid ringers.

Chicago played more conference games in the early years because Mr. Stagg wanted it that way. He got his way for a long time, before Chicago decided to call it quits and drop athletics.

Purdue almost dropped athletics too, early on. I know a prominent (distinguished) alumni who is also a major John Purdue Club member. He told me this.

Wisconsin almost dropped athletics in the late 1960's. That was really, really close call.

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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:46 PM

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If the Gophers and Badgers had played in 1906, they would have played every consecutive year since 1890. I still blame Teddy and that is the primary reason I will never vote for the Bull Moose Party candidate.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:48 PM

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That ruling cancelled a lot of games for that season. Because of that ruling though, the Border Battle is still considered continuous.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:00 PM

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GoGophersRah wrote: If the Gophers and Badgers had played in 1906, they would have played every consecutive year since 1890. I still blame Teddy and that is the primary reason I will never vote for the Bull Moose Party candidate.

847badgerfan wrote: That ruling cancelled a lot of games for that season. Because of that ruling though, the Border Battle is still considered continuous.
I never vote for the Bull Moose Party candidates either but you two are going to have to fill me in on the details here.  I had heard that Teddy got involved because of injuries and that led to a modernization of Football rules, but how did that cause the Minnesota/Wisconsin game not to be played in 1906?  

According to the site I used both teams still played that year:
According to the BigTen (see pg 99) Wisconsin (3-0), Minnesota (2-0), and Michigan (1-0) all finished undefeated in conference play.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:29 PM

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1906 Game Cancelled

"The 1906 game was canceled by President Theodore Roosevelt, who had decided to cool off heated college football rivalries, because of injuries and deaths on the field."
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