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CFN Preseason All-Big Ten Team - Defensive Tackle #4

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Posted: 7/3/2014 8:05 AM

CFN Preseason All-Big Ten Team - Defensive Tackle #4 


FIRST TEAM
QB Braxton Miller, Ohio State, Senior
RB Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin, Junior
RB Ameer Abdullah, Nebraska, Senior
WR Stefon Diggs, Maryland, Junior
WR Devin Funchess, Michigan, Junior
E Jesse James, Penn State, Junior
T Brandon Scherff, Iowa, Senior
G Kaleb Johnson, Rutgers, Senior
C Jack Allen, Michigan State, Junior
G Jake Cotton, Nebraska, Senior
T Taylor Decker, Ohio State, Junior

DE Randy Gregory, Nebraska, Junior
DT Michael Bennett, Ohio State, Sophomore
DT Carl Davis, Iowa, Junior
DE Shilique Calhoun, Michigan State, Junior

SECOND TEAM
QB Connor Cook, Michigan State, Junior
RB Venric Mark, Northwestern, Senior
RB Jeremy Langford, Michigan State, Senior
WR Kenny Bell, Nebraska, Senior
WR Shane Wynn, Indiana, Senior
TE Jeff Heuerman, Ohio State, Senior
T Rob Havenstein, Wisconsin, Senior
G Kyle Costigan, Wisconsin, Senior
C Brandon Vitabile, Northwestern, Senior
G Zac Epping, Minnesota, Senior
T Jason Spriggs, Indiana, Junior

DE Joey Bosa, Ohio State, Sophomore
DT Adolphus Washington, Ohio State, Junior
DE Noah Spence, Ohio State, Junior

    DT #4

  1. Poll closed on 07/10/2014
  2. Cameron Boticelli, Minnesota, Senior: 0 votes
  3. Chance Carter, Northwestern, Senior: 0 votes
  4. Willie Henry, Michigan, Sophomore: 1 vote
  5. Darius Kilgo, Maryland, Senior: 0 votes
  6. Louis Trinca-Pasat, Iowa, Senior: 13 votes

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Posted: 7/3/2014 8:05 AM

Re: CFN Preseason All-Big Ten Team - Defensive Tackle #4 


Now this one is REALLY easy.

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Posted: 7/3/2014 8:25 AM

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EastLansingAdam wrote:
FIRST TEAM
DT Michael Bennett, Ohio State, Sophomore

SECOND TEAM
DE Joey Bosa, Ohio State, Sophomore
DT Adolphus Washington, Ohio State, Junior
DE Noah Spence, Ohio State, Junior
So if OSU doesn't have the conference's best defense either we know nothing, or we can all dog OSU for really under performing this year. I vote for the latter.
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Posted: 7/3/2014 8:31 AM

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Jwilly48 wrote:
EastLansingAdam wrote:
FIRST TEAM
DT Michael Bennett, Ohio State, Sophomore

SECOND TEAM
DE Joey Bosa, Ohio State, Sophomore
DT Adolphus Washington, Ohio State, Junior
DE Noah Spence, Ohio State, Junior
So if OSU doesn't have the conference's best defense either we know nothing, or we can all dog OSU for really under performing this year. I vote for the latter.
They have one of the best D lines in the country, but it's the back 7 that's the issue.

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Posted: 7/3/2014 10:10 AM

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IAhawk15 wrote:
Jwilly48 wrote:
EastLansingAdam wrote:
FIRST TEAM
DT Michael Bennett, Ohio State, Sophomore

SECOND TEAM
DE Joey Bosa, Ohio State, Sophomore
DT Adolphus Washington, Ohio State, Junior
DE Noah Spence, Ohio State, Junior
So if OSU doesn't have the conference's best defense either we know nothing, or we can all dog OSU for really under performing this year. I vote for the latter.
They have one of the best D lines in the country, but it's the back 7 that's the issue.
Correct.  The line was fine last year too.  The back seven was a question mark, and quite possibly got worse, losing two high NFL picks in Shazier and Roby.

There were quite a few times in that Big Ten Championship Game where the DL did their job, only to be let down by the back seven.  I think all 3 Cook TD passes were just lobs up there.  He was under pressure most of the night.  Hell, even on that final TD run, the OL had no interest in getting to the second level.  They took all available blockers and used them on 4 DL, leaving LBs and safeties clean, and they couldn't make the play.

I think the DL, on paper, is easily the best in the nation pre-season.  I'm not sure the back seven is even in the top half of the Big Ten.

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Posted: 7/3/2014 10:28 AM

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OSU will probably look a lot different on defense this year. Not sure if they will be good, but different. They were dreadful in the back seven last year - no one seemed to know what to do on any given play. This year, they plan on being a lot more aggressive and a lot more physical - who knows if that will work out but hopefully they don't look like garbage, which they were last year.
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Posted: 7/3/2014 11:21 AM

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MaximumSam wrote: OSU will probably look a lot different on defense this year. Not sure if they will be good, but different. They were dreadful in the back seven last year - no one seemed to know what to do on any given play. This year, they plan on being a lot more aggressive and a lot more physical - who knows if that will work out but hopefully they don't look like garbage, which they were last year.

if imitiation is the greatest form of flattery-- MSU should be blushing. OSU Defense is going to the same base scheme with press coverage.

the theory is- the back seven was bad coaching and scheme (too many different schemes), and too passive, versus one BASE scheme, and more aggressive coverage. Obvilously- the belief is- it isnt "bad players."

Things like this take time- you cant improve it on one off season, so there will be growing pains at the very least. I do feel, over time, they have the athletes  to do it. They have nobody in the back seven you would even consider for pre-season all conference (you could make a good case for Doran Grant on 2nd team). When was the last time you saw that from OSU?

I could see some good improvement over the next several seasons- if you look at some of the potentially elite talent they have brought in at LB and DB. I cant think of anyone's recruiting class of LBs and DBs I would even consider trading for.

we went from:
"so on and so forth"  J. Tressel   to
"I want an angry team-they are fun to coach"  U. Meyer.

Posted: 7/3/2014 4:05 PM

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MaximumSam wrote: OSU will probably look a lot different on defense this year. Not sure if they will be good, but different. They were dreadful in the back seven last year - no one seemed to know what to do on any given play. This year, they plan on being a lot more aggressive and a lot more physical - who knows if that will work out but hopefully they don't look like garbage, which they were last year.
I'll be interested to see how that plays out. I've never seen a coach opt for less aggression or less physicality.
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Posted: 7/3/2014 4:26 PM

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bayareabadger wrote:
MaximumSam wrote: OSU will probably look a lot different on defense this year. Not sure if they will be good, but different. They were dreadful in the back seven last year - no one seemed to know what to do on any given play. This year, they plan on being a lot more aggressive and a lot more physical - who knows if that will work out but hopefully they don't look like garbage, which they were last year.
I'll be interested to see how that plays out. I've never seen a coach opt for less aggression or less physicality.
Ha, I thought the same thing too.  I think what he means is more aggressive and physical scheming.  That's been the trademark of Narduzzi, and it has burned us from time to time.  A lot of blitzing, and a lot of CBs on islands, playing a lot of bump and run, physical coverage.  WHen the blitzes miss, there are holes in the middle, when the CBs get burned bad at the line, they give up the deep ball.  That was the one MAJOR improvement for MSU last year was they seemed to almost never get burned by their tight to the line coverage.  Prior to that they seemingly always gave up too many deep balls where guys got behind their man instantly.  The other thing is a lot of PIs.  The poor officiating of the ND game aside, MSU gets called for a lot of PI, and mostly they deserve it.

Posted: 7/3/2014 6:09 PM

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EastLansingAdam wrote:
bayareabadger wrote:
MaximumSam wrote: OSU will probably look a lot different on defense this year. Not sure if they will be good, but different. They were dreadful in the back seven last year - no one seemed to know what to do on any given play. This year, they plan on being a lot more aggressive and a lot more physical - who knows if that will work out but hopefully they don't look like garbage, which they were last year.
I'll be interested to see how that plays out. I've never seen a coach opt for less aggression or less physicality.
Ha, I thought the same thing too.  I think what he means is more aggressive and physical scheming.  That's been the trademark of Narduzzi, and it has burned us from time to time.  A lot of blitzing, and a lot of CBs on islands, playing a lot of bump and run, physical coverage.  WHen the blitzes miss, there are holes in the middle, when the CBs get burned bad at the line, they give up the deep ball.  That was the one MAJOR improvement for MSU last year was they seemed to almost never get burned by their tight to the line coverage.  Prior to that they seemingly always gave up too many deep balls where guys got behind their man instantly.  The other thing is a lot of PIs.  The poor officiating of the ND game aside, MSU gets called for a lot of PI, and mostly they deserve it.
That is a fantastic nuanced look at it. Everyone wants to play that way, but you have to be dang good to overcome the drawbacks.

Then again, when you play well, a well-played zone can be mighty imposing. But if you got MSU-level corners (where can my team get some?) might as well.
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Posted: 7/3/2014 8:52 PM

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EastLansingAdam wrote:
bayareabadger wrote:
MaximumSam wrote: OSU will probably look a lot different on defense this year. Not sure if they will be good, but different. They were dreadful in the back seven last year - no one seemed to know what to do on any given play. This year, they plan on being a lot more aggressive and a lot more physical - who knows if that will work out but hopefully they don't look like garbage, which they were last year.
I'll be interested to see how that plays out. I've never seen a coach opt for less aggression or less physicality.
Ha, I thought the same thing too.  I think what he means is more aggressive and physical scheming.  That's been the trademark of Narduzzi, and it has burned us from time to time.  A lot of blitzing, and a lot of CBs on islands, playing a lot of bump and run, physical coverage.  WHen the blitzes miss, there are holes in the middle, when the CBs get burned bad at the line, they give up the deep ball.  That was the one MAJOR improvement for MSU last year was they seemed to almost never get burned by their tight to the line coverage.  Prior to that they seemingly always gave up too many deep balls where guys got behind their man instantly.  The other thing is a lot of PIs.  The poor officiating of the ND game aside, MSU gets called for a lot of PI, and mostly they deserve it.

Under Tress OSU played almost exclusively zone coverage, and rarely played man or had any sort of aggressive mentality in the secondary.  That obviously worked well for them.  The biggest problem for Urbs has been transitioning to a new defense while still half retaining this old philosophy.  The end result has been bad defense.  I'm not confident that the 2014 Buckeyes will be great defensively, but I am confident that they are moving in a direction that makes sense and is fundamentally sound.
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Posted: 7/3/2014 10:49 PM

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MaximumSam wrote:

Under Tress OSU played almost exclusively zone coverage, and rarely played man or had any sort of aggressive mentality in the secondary.  That obviously worked well for them.  The biggest problem for Urbs has been transitioning to a new defense while still half retaining this old philosophy.  The end result has been bad defense.  I'm not confident that the 2014 Buckeyes will be great defensively, but I am confident that they are moving in a direction that makes sense and is fundamentally sound.
That seems like a good start. I always worry with this discussion since "aggressiveness" often falls into being a kind of value judgement. Good defenses are called aggressive becuase hits/sacks/TOs seem the logical extension of that (I'm not totally sure how you mean "aggressive mentality"). Likewise, if I guy is open because he burned a defender at the line, oftentimes people see the coverage of soft because he's in the middle of the field with a safety much deeper. Not saying you're doing this, but I'm always wary of it.

(I have Oregon fan friends that would complain about the Ducks' bend-but-don't-break schemes. Once I watched it closely, I realized the Ducks blitzed a ton, and what they saw as soft coverage was actually having few guys covering more ground in the secondary, so players were more open to catch 12-15 yard passes over the middle. In the end teams could march on the Oregon and they often got stops in the red zone, but it wasn't as much a function of scheme as it felt).

Anyway, this sent me on a weird search that ended with Ross Fulton's scheme stuff on 11 Warriors. It was interesting to learn MSU is built on zone and not man principles, albeit with elements that approximate man. So hey, learning.
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Posted: 7/4/2014 6:44 AM

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Well done- doing homework. I was going to cut and paste Ross stuff here for you, as it explains what SAM was trying to say, but you found it yourself.



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MaximumSam wrote:

Under Tress OSU played almost exclusively zone coverage, and rarely played man or had any sort of aggressive mentality in the secondary.  That obviously worked well for them.  The biggest problem for Urbs has been transitioning to a new defense while still half retaining this old philosophy.  The end result has been bad defense.  I'm not confident that the 2014 Buckeyes will be great defensively, but I am confident that they are moving in a direction that makes sense and is fundamentally sound.
That seems like a good start. I always worry with this discussion since "aggressiveness" often falls into being a kind of value judgement. Good defenses are called aggressive becuase hits/sacks/TOs seem the logical extension of that (I'm not totally sure how you mean "aggressive mentality"). Likewise, if I guy is open because he burned a defender at the line, oftentimes people see the coverage of soft because he's in the middle of the field with a safety much deeper. Not saying you're doing this, but I'm always wary of it.

(I have Oregon fan friends that would complain about the Ducks' bend-but-don't-break schemes. Once I watched it closely, I realized the Ducks blitzed a ton, and what they saw as soft coverage was actually having few guys covering more ground in the secondary, so players were more open to catch 12-15 yard passes over the middle. In the end teams could march on the Oregon and they often got stops in the red zone, but it wasn't as much a function of scheme as it felt).

Anyway, this sent me on a weird search that ended with Ross Fulton's scheme stuff on 11 Warriors. It was interesting to learn MSU is built on zone and not man principles, albeit with elements that approximate man. So hey, learning.

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"so on and so forth"  J. Tressel   to
"I want an angry team-they are fun to coach"  U. Meyer.

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Posted: 7/4/2014 8:00 AM

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Yeah it's a lot of zone blitzes, with the corners playing man.