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Posted: 6/5/2014 10:36 PM

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I'm surprised by this, in light of the move of the Hoops tourney to DC for a turn in a couple years.  It looks like the Hoops tourney will mostly rotate Chi/Ind for the next eight years as well.

i wonder what other bids may have been out there.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 1:57 AM

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Domes, yuk.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 5:48 AM

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Terrible news.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 8:02 AM

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MarqHusker wrote: I'm surprised by this, in light of the move of the Hoops tourney to DC for a turn in a couple years.  It looks like the Hoops tourney will mostly rotate Chi/Ind for the next eight years as well.

i wonder what other bids may have been out there.
+1

Found it very odd overall.  Current deal wasn't even up for I think 2 more years, so they had way more time they could wait.

Maybe Chicago and whomever their sports corp people that organize stuff like this and put together bids, really don't want and do a shoddy job overall.  I know the Indiana Sports Corp excels at putting together bids for big sporting events and the CIB (group that manages and operates the sporting facilities) works with the Indiana Convention Center and Hotels efficiently as well to get big conventions, maybe they're just that damn good that they didn't even bother asking Detroit and Chicago to do a formal bid?  Just speculating.

I was surprised by the announcement, it certainly benefits the city.  Hopefully somewhere in the next 8 years the stars align and I make a 20 min drive from my house to watch Purdue play for the rights to Pasadena.

If you noticed there still is one BTT that hasn't been assigned yet, my guess is they try for NYC one time.  If not maybe they do Wash again.  If those far away spots fall through Chicago or Indy are always easy, proven fallbacks.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 8:18 AM

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847badgerfan wrote: Terrible news.
I'm with you.

Put it in Chicago and be done with it.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 8:39 AM

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The area around the stadium is better in Indy.  But comparing the two cities, and comparing dome vs. outdoors, it's a no brainer.  Put it in Chicago, and I haven't met a fan who disagrees.

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Posted: 6/6/2014 8:51 AM

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EastLansingAdam wrote: The area around the stadium is better in Indy.  But comparing the two cities, and comparing dome vs. outdoors, it's a no brainer.  Put it in Chicago, and I haven't met a fan who disagrees.
With respect to the CCG?  Or you mean Hoops tourney too? 

As to the latter, I know a ton of people, including several Chicago-residng Fraternity Brothers I hang with a decent amount and it's 90% for Indy for the BTT.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 10:08 AM

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Just football. I would put football permanently in Chicago, and basketball permanently in Indianapolis. Let Detroit and Minneapolis split hockey, and let Columbus and Omaha split baseball. Done and done.

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Posted: 6/6/2014 11:08 PM

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Indianapolis makes the most sense going forward every year to me. I'd love Chicago more, but once it's accepted the game is going to be in prime time (something I don't see changing), there's no better option.

I don't think we'll have to worry about the game being on the east coast anytime soon. They are worried about only having 2 teams in it and possibly only a weeks notice (with a bowl game or even 2 games now afterward). Those facts combined with high prices for tickets and non-central locations have led to far too many CCGs in different conferences with embarrassing attendance. Even in Indianapolis 2 of the games haven't been completely sold out with the prices they are charging and that's with it in a central location. You would not want this in game in New York/Washington and then have Michigan State vs. Wisconsin (heck, you really only want the game there if you have one of the 3 east coast schools involved). For similar reasons, they'll probably also avoid Lambeau.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 11:14 PM

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Hoops note: The plan definitely seems to be to keep it in the Midwest primarily with some trips to the east coast ("living in 2 regions"). The 2018 tournament has not been announced and it's been reported they are trying to get Madison Square Garden. That will be tough as the Big East is there every year with a long term contract right now. My guess is that doesn't go through.

However...the Big Ten did just announce a very prominent series with the Big East to start every year. The Big East (in it's new 10 team format) is also now half Midwestern. In exchange for continued support and probably some money, I could see (although will not predict) the Big East willing to head to Chicago for a year and allowing the Big Ten to use Madison Square Garden.

That would make 2 years on the east coast to try to help integrate the region and then 4 back in the Midwest. My guess is that a pattern of 4 years in the Midwest and 1-2 on the east coast becomes the norm.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 11:27 PM

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With the Eastward expansion, Cleveland is the only logical option. pirate

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Posted: 6/7/2014 1:54 PM

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The championship game should be in a dome all the time!    Sitting out at soldier field in december is laughable.    Why is it that the sec has their game in a dome??
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Posted: 6/7/2014 2:29 PM

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Why is it that the sec has their game in a dome??

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because they are p*****?

Play it in Soldier outdoors. NFL teams play in the outdoors in the playoffs all the time. Chicago is the best city to have it in IMO. Easier and more affordable to get to for pretty much everybody in the entire country, and the B1G has fans everywhere. Chicago is also just so much more awesome than Indianapolis. No offense to Indianans.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 3:22 PM

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MDot21 wrote: ---------------------------------------------
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Why is it that the sec has their game in a dome??

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because they are p*****?

Play it in Soldier outdoors. NFL teams play in the outdoors in the playoffs all the time. Chicago is the best city to have it in IMO. Easier and more affordable to get to for pretty much everybody in the entire country, and the B1G has fans everywhere. Chicago is also just so much more awesome than Indianapolis. No offense to Indianans.
More affordable??  Lol.      Those hotels in Chicago are more expensive than indy.   soldier field would look real good with 40,000 people in It when its 30 degrees and light rain falling..........    they are pussies???   Really?
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Posted: 6/7/2014 4:20 PM

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I agree outdoors is the place to play football. It feels far more natural and right. 

I don't think you are going to talk the conference leaders out of the prime time spot though and I don't think you can have outdoors for a prime time night game.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 5:06 PM

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section18 wrote:
MDot21 wrote: ---------------------------------------------
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Why is it that the sec has their game in a dome??

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because they are p*****?

Play it in Soldier outdoors. NFL teams play in the outdoors in the playoffs all the time. Chicago is the best city to have it in IMO. Easier and more affordable to get to for pretty much everybody in the entire country, and the B1G has fans everywhere. Chicago is also just so much more awesome than Indianapolis. No offense to Indianans.
More affordable??  Lol.      Those hotels in Chicago are more expensive than indy.   soldier field would look real good with 40,000 people in It when its 30 degrees and light rain falling..........    they are pussies???   Really?
I said easier and more affordable to get to. You can find reasonably priced to flat out cheaaaap tickets to Chicago from pretty much any major airport in the US. Not the case for Indianapolis. And I Never said anything about the actual city of Chicago being more affordable to stay in. 

Speaking of hotels, yes Chicago has super expensive world class hotels, but they also have plenty of reasonably priced hotel rooms. I never have trouble finding a decent price on a hotel whenever I go to Chicago. Google search shows that Chicago has over 115,000 hotel rooms. Only Las Vegas and Orlando have more.

A google search also shows that Indianapolis has only 33,000 +/- hotel rooms. In fact, here are two articles which say that Indianapolis has a major shortage of hotel rooms and that rates can sky-rocket because of this.

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Chicago = the only legit answer imo.

And yes, the SEC are p****** for playing their CCG game in a dome in Georgia. It's not like they are playing the game in Minnesota.

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Posted: 6/7/2014 7:24 PM

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Not minnesota but you want it in chicago. Whats the didference? 5 degeees?     A dome is 72 and perfect conditions.  Chicago, minny, green bay or cleveland in december is not perfect conditions.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 11:14 PM

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Shrug, I think Indy is better built to host an event like that, but I can see the appeal of outdoor, rough-and-tumble football. I suppose if you make an extensive enough plan Chicago is better, but I'd say Indy is easier to freelance.

I suppose I'm saddened to not know what having it in Chi would be like. Maybe it goes much better than I think. Maybe it's a mess and we decide Indy is for the better. Just don't know.
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Posted: 6/8/2014 9:23 AM

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EastLansingAdam wrote: The area around the stadium is better in Indy.  But comparing the two cities, and comparing dome vs. outdoors, it's a no brainer.  Put it in Chicago, and I haven't met a fan who disagrees.
We have not met in person, but consider me the first fan who disagrees and says leave it in Indy.  If Chicago builds a dome then maybe move it there for a round or two, but until then, leave it alone.
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Posted: 6/8/2014 10:43 AM

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Chicago not building a dome or indoor stadium when Soldier Field was redone in 2002 was another big colossal mistake by the city. There is this big giant misconception that football should be played in Bear weather outdoors in December and that is just crap. Football was meant to be played outdoors in Sep, Oct and early Nov, and traditionally was all done by Thanksgiving. Bears hibernate in the winter. Now that the NFL plays 5 regular season games plus the playoffs, after thanksgiving, it's ridiculous that Chicago does not have a indoor option for football. Chicago has screwed itself out a chance at super bowls, CFP games, CCG games, final fours, maybe even the olympics, etc.

Chicago deserves to be ignored.

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Posted: 6/8/2014 10:44 AM

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roaddawg2 wrote:
EastLansingAdam wrote: The area around the stadium is better in Indy.  But comparing the two cities, and comparing dome vs. outdoors, it's a no brainer.  Put it in Chicago, and I haven't met a fan who disagrees.
We have not met in person, but consider me the first fan who disagrees and says leave it in Indy.  If Chicago builds a dome then maybe move it there for a round or two, but until then, leave it alone.
I can't believe how many OSU fans are against playing it outdoors. Imagine if the shoe was domed? Woody Hayes would be turning in his grave. Football is meant to be played outdoors on grass.

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Posted: 6/8/2014 11:38 AM

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MDot21 wrote:
roaddawg2 wrote:
EastLansingAdam wrote: The area around the stadium is better in Indy.  But comparing the two cities, and comparing dome vs. outdoors, it's a no brainer.  Put it in Chicago, and I haven't met a fan who disagrees.
We have not met in person, but consider me the first fan who disagrees and says leave it in Indy.  If Chicago builds a dome then maybe move it there for a round or two, but until then, leave it alone.
I can't believe how many OSU fans are against playing it outdoors. Imagine if the shoe was domed? Woody Hayes would be turning in his grave. Football is meant to be played outdoors on grass.
I agree that football is meant to be played outdoors, however I also know that at times practicality needs to be considered.  I have attended games in blazing sunshine and freezing ass cold, as well as pouring down rain, however not everyone enjoys sitting through the extremes of the weather.  I know several people that would not have went last year to Chicago to watch a game outdoors because of the cold.  The first CCG, the weather was 57 degrees, considering it was December in Indiana, that was wonderful.  I took my then 4 year old son, we tailgated outdoors, and had a great time.  Last year, it was 20 degrees and we had 8-10 inches of snow on the ground.  I would not have minded tailgating outside, but the other three guys I went with were not having anything to do with outdoor activities.  I also have been to huge games in both Indy and Chicago, Soldier Field, and i will say that for the type of event the B10 has decided upon for the CCG, Indy wins hands down.  I do not even mind the fact that they do not serve alcohol during the game.  I have not been disappointed,other that the outcome of Ohio State last season, with all three of the CCG games I have attended.  I am glad they are staying in Indy and will continue to attend as long as I am able.  Not saying that I would not attend even if they moved to Chicago, however, the trip would not be as affordable as it is for me going to Indy.  Either way, I look forward to many games in between.
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MDot21 wrote:
roaddawg2 wrote:
EastLansingAdam wrote: The area around the stadium is better in Indy.  But comparing the two cities, and comparing dome vs. outdoors, it's a no brainer.  Put it in Chicago, and I haven't met a fan who disagrees.
We have not met in person, but consider me the first fan who disagrees and says leave it in Indy.  If Chicago builds a dome then maybe move it there for a round or two, but until then, leave it alone.
I can't believe how many OSU fans are against playing it outdoors. Imagine if the shoe was domed? Woody Hayes would be turning in his grave. Football is meant to be played outdoors on grass.
Grass yes. Frozen wet grass, no.
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Posted: 6/8/2014 1:24 PM

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Rotate it. Play it in Chicago, Green Bay, Philly, Baltimore and Cleveland.

Or better yet, go back to 11 and play a round robin so everyone can sit outside for a December game.
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Posted: 6/9/2014 6:45 AM

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847badgerfan wrote: Rotate it. Play it in Chicago, Green Bay, Philly, Baltimore, Cleveland, and in the new Humpty Dump in Minneapolis.

Or better yet, go back to 11 and play a round robin so everyone can sit outside for a December game.

FIFY

Last year, our games at the New Brickhouse went from blazing-ass hot (Opening Night vs UNLV, humid mid-90s with no cloud cover, breeze, or shade) to freezing-ass cold (22 degrees and windy, coldest game in Minneapolis since the mid-50s).  Big Ten teams can deal with it.

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Posted: 6/9/2014 6:56 AM

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Is the new place in Mpls going to be open air?
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Posted: 6/9/2014 7:21 AM

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847badgerfan wrote: Is the new place in Mpls going to be open air?
I know it was being lobbied to have it be a lot like Lucas Oil stadium.  A very upright, rectangular facility with a retractable roof, of course mostly all financed by the yocals.
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Posted: 6/9/2014 7:23 AM

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847badgerfan wrote: Rotate it. Play it in Chicago, Green Bay, Philly, Baltimore and Cleveland.

Or better yet, go back to 11 and play a round robin so everyone can sit outside for a December game.
I'd dig it.
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Posted: 6/9/2014 7:48 AM

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MDot21 wrote: ---------------------------------------------
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Why is it that the sec has their game in a dome??

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because they are p*****?

Play it in Soldier outdoors. NFL teams play in the outdoors in the playoffs all the time. Chicago is the best city to have it in IMO. Easier and more affordable to get to for pretty much everybody in the entire country, and the B1G has fans everywhere. Chicago is also just so much more awesome than Indianapolis. No offense to Indianans.
I don't know that offense needs intended nor taken.
 
It doesn't happen so much on here, but seems to a lot on the Purdue Rivals message boards, there's this perpetual pissing contest of which city is better, Chicago vs Indy.  And almost no other city ever breaks into the conversation.  You name the topic it comes up:  hosting Big Ten stuff, Bears vs Colts, pro team ownership, concerts, crime, better for jobs, social policy, stuff to do, breweries, affordability of housing, gun rights, liberal vs conservative leaning, gun rights, length of commute, wheres best to raise a family, big/lil brother crapola etc etc....or all of that added together and more, regurgitated into the same thread. 

The first time you read one it's entertaining (and I don't mind playful banter as long as no one takes themselves too seriously.)  It is always fascinating to watch, and at one point in time I participated a bit in them (maybe even on here) but in the last few years I've learned how silly it is.  As an example, on facebook a couple weeks ago there was an argument among several pals on there on if Chicago deserved to be known as the "capital of the Midwest" as it was recently referred to as such in an article written that was meant to be read by foreigners.  All kids of pissing back and forth that Chicago's values don't represent those who live in rural OH, IL, IN, etc or even Indy.  I just rolled my eyes.

I really, really like living in the Indy metro area and can explain 100 reasons why.  I'll also openly state it's  shortcomings and flaws.  I have many a pals up in Chicago-land including the main downtown, and while I don't get to go up there as often as I like with family obligations now, I'm trying to think of a time I honestly had a bad time in Chicago.  Would have to think about that one for a while.

My overriding point is, the Indy vs Chi thing, while it may feel natural to most given geography, that local fanbases naturally like to jaw between each other over the NBA and NFL, and that they are competing for hosting sporting events..........they are 2 completely different cities.  Comparing them is so silly.  Of course there is going to be more to do in Chicago.  Of course the commute in Indy is going to be 5 to 1 better with more affordable homes, so much of that is wholly population-based and moreover population density-based.

The Chi-land MSA is like 10 mill, I've seen some argue closer to 13 Mill depending on far in the 'burbs you go, if a 1:45-ish commute each way is seen as do-able (and in some of these threads I've seen it argued that it is, barf!), and if you count all of "the Region" in Indiana and how far up toward Wisc you do (the Region are basically the -- I think -- 6 NW Ind counties that are on Central Time, lots of bears fans reside here.  My BFF lives way the hell north on the Wisc border in Antioch, is actually 25 mins close to Milw and still claims he "lives in Chicago".) 

Meanwhile, Indy's MSA is around 2 mill, or possibly up to 2.7-ish mil mill if you want to go all the way out to where Purdue and Ball State is (probably an hour and 15 commute to downtown Indy) and make a circle.

So for many reasons they are very different towns, but the population gap is such a large one, that to me it's mostly a non-starter.  Chicago needs to be compared to LA, NYC, Dal-FtW, Atl, Houston, maybe Toronto etc.  Indy needs compared to St Lou, Orlando, Columbus, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Cincy, KC, Pittsburgh, Portland, etc.

Indy or Chicago residents, or even better those who maybe have lived/worked in both cities (I think we have a couple on here, IntegrinB I think you frequent to Indy for biz) what is your take?
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Posted: 6/9/2014 8:02 AM

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Chicago MSA consists of all the surrounding areas by which you could commute to downtown via public transportation. I'm not talking Amtrack and all that. I'm talking Metra commuter rail.

There is a Metra stop in Kenosha, and a Metra stop at the Indiana border, which hooks into Indiana's South Shore line. That goes all the way to South Bend.
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