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Posted: 7/25/2013 10:45 PM

Iowa v Nebraska, day after Thanksgiving series in doubt 


A BTN programming source said due to conference scheduling issues, post 2017, Iowa v Nebraska might no longer be the day after Thanksgiving game anymore for Nebraska.  Speculation by some suggests perhaps UW v Nebraska, but I suspect considerations for Minn v UW may not make that a sure thing, who knows. 

note: I know Minn v UW hasn't had a firm time of year in some time.

I'm past caring at this point. (post-Big 8 dissolution disorder).
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Posted: 7/25/2013 11:11 PM

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They are going to be doing some rotation in the east with Penn State/Maryland and Michigan State/Rutgers in 2017 instead of Penn State/Michigan State and Rutgers/Maryland. I think that kind of makes sense in the west too (actually makes more sense). Both Iowa and Wisconsin have season ending history with Minnesota. You could rotate it so some years its Wisconsin/Nebraska and Minnesota/Iowa and some its Wisconsin/Minnesota and Nebraska/Iowa.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 7:08 AM

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I would be fine having any three of those as a season ending game, and I like the idea of playing the Friday after Thanksgiving. However, I just want them to assign the games and none of this rotating stuff. I think in terms of TV numbers and the thought that the game will usually have some bearing on the outcome of the division race I would like to see UW/UNL.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 7:13 AM

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I've always been clamoring for our last game to be a protected cross with UN-L. No offense to Wisky or Iowa, but I always thought a Saturday after Thanksgiving with OSU-UM @ noon followed by PSU-Nebraska @ 3:30 would showcase the conference pretty damn well. 

Make the final game MSU/Wisky (a heck of a budding game itself the past few years) and that's a pretty stout national lineup for the B1G.

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Posted: 7/26/2013 8:04 AM

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100% against crossover games on the final week.

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Posted: 7/26/2013 8:29 AM

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really don't understand why the Hawkeyes don't embrace this opportunity more

"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game; In the deed the glory."

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Posted: 7/26/2013 9:08 AM

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EastLansingAdam wrote: 100% against crossover games on the final week.
+1, I'd much rather watch a rematch of a game from seven weeks ago than a game from seven days ago.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 9:10 AM

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mjb34500 wrote: I've always been clamoring for our last game to be a protected cross with UN-L. No offense to Wisky or Iowa, but I always thought a Saturday after Thanksgiving with OSU-UM @ noon followed by PSU-Nebraska @ 3:30 would showcase the conference pretty damn well. 

Make the final game MSU/Wisky (a heck of a budding game itself the past few years) and that's a pretty stout national lineup for the B1G.
I think that would have been great, but you would have had to do inner/outer to do it.  The way we set things up, they won't play every year.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 9:15 AM

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100% against crossover games on the final week.

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Except for Purdue vs IU. But we will never have to worry about seeing that matchup 7 days later in the title game anyway, so don't think too many people will have a problem here.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 9:28 AM

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Yeah, with an odd number of teams in the division you have to have one, and that makes the most sense.

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Posted: 7/26/2013 9:32 AM

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I am a lot happier with it being two of the teams historically least likely to make the CG than the two teams historically most likely to make the CG.

With tOSU and Michigan having the potential to play a rematch a week after their game it was bound to happen eventually. With Purdue and IU having the potential to play a rematch a week after their game I think the Over/Under on years until it happens is probably beyond any of our lifetimes.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 9:32 AM

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mjb34500 wrote: I've always been clamoring for our last game to be a protected cross with UN-L. No offense to Wisky or Iowa, but I always thought a Saturday after Thanksgiving with OSU-UM @ noon followed by PSU-Nebraska @ 3:30 would showcase the conference pretty damn well. 

Make the final game MSU/Wisky (a heck of a budding game itself the past few years) and that's a pretty stout national lineup for the B1G.
Like others have said, I'm completely opposed to cross-over games the final week (aside from PU/IU). And I really don't want to see any more than the minimum one cross-over game on any week in November, thats the time for inter-divisional play.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 11:03 AM

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I'm all for a UW/UNL season-ending game.

The UW/Minnie series has not been there traditionally - it's been in October more often than not.

Let Iowa/Minnie have the final weekend.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 11:55 AM

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I liked Nebraska-Colorado that weekend.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 11:59 AM

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Me too. I used to like alot more about college football than I do now.

Kansas/Mizzou was another one. Texas/aTm. WVU/Pitt. Utah/BYU.

All in the name of conference TV networks and money.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 12:05 PM

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Pulling out the leftovers for that Friday doubleheader of Texas-Texas A&M and Nebraska-Colorado IS college football to me.

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Posted: 7/26/2013 12:44 PM

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847badgerfan wrote: Me too. I used to like alot more about college football than I do now.

Kansas/Mizzou was another one. Texas/aTm. PSU/Pitt. Utah/BYU.

All in the name of conference TV networks and money.
FIFY

That was OUR Thanksgiving weekend game for almost 80 years. 

I too enjoyed aTm/UT.  Was never a big fan of the UNL/CU game.  Just seemed fabricated, trying to make a game into a rivalry.  Almost like this:

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Posted: 7/26/2013 12:50 PM

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PSU/Pitt got so one-sided in the last couple of decades, it didn't do much for me at all.

I guess none of those old Eastern PSU "rivals" did much for me because rival means the games are contested at least.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 1:09 PM

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mjb34500 wrote:

I actually have some MSU friends that really care about this thing. And are genuinely upset that they will not have PSU at the end of every season.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 1:28 PM

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ohio1317 wrote: They are going to be doing some rotation in the east with Penn State/Maryland and Michigan State/Rutgers in 2017 instead of Penn State/Michigan State and Rutgers/Maryland. I think that kind of makes sense in the west too (actually makes more sense). Both Iowa and Wisconsin have season ending history with Minnesota. You could rotate it so some years its Wisconsin/Nebraska and Minnesota/Iowa and some its Wisconsin/Minnesota and Nebraska/Iowa.

I’d like them to set up the following rotation with PSU/MSU/RU/MD:

 

The last game of the year for PSU should switch back and forth between road trips to RU & MD every year.

The last game of the year for MSU should switch back and forth between home games against RU & MD every year.

The first B1G game of the year for PSU should switch back and forth between home games with RU & MD every year.

The first B1G game of the year for MSU should switch back and forth between road games with RU & MD every year.

 

I think this works for everybody.  PSU has large fan bases in both NJ and MD and the eastern part of PA.  Getting to games at RU and MD might prove easier logistically than getting to State College on Thanksgiving weekend.  These are also both historical rivals of PSU, so that also adds a little spice to the game.  For RU & MD, it almost guarantees a sell-out regardless of what their respective records are at the end of the year.  And since MSU is split from its traditional rivals, it at least gives them the consolation prize of always finishing their season at home in what should typically be a winnable game.

 

I’m not as wedded to the opening weekend round of games, but I am suggesting it on the hope that a sort of rivalry could grow if MSU were to always play one of them opening weekend.  The game would always mean something to the three teams since it would set the table for its B1G season.

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Posted: 7/26/2013 1:32 PM

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Don't know as though PSU would love the idea of always finishing on the road, but it's an interesting idea.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 1:37 PM

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Jwilly48 wrote: Don't know as though PSU would love the idea of always finishing on the road, but it's an interesting idea.
I think it would almost be an adavantage to PSU.  It's probably harder to fill that huge stadium (particularly the student section) on Thanksgiving weekend.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 1:46 PM

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elmerstrong wrote:
Jwilly48 wrote: Don't know as though PSU would love the idea of always finishing on the road, but it's an interesting idea.
I think it would almost be an adavantage to PSU.  It's probably harder to fill that huge stadium (particularly the student section) on Thanksgiving weekend.
I just looked up PSU's last four seasons with the final game at home (' 06 MSU, '08 MSU, '10 MSU, '12 UW). They had 108, 110, 103, & 93 thousand in those games, I didn't add up all the games, but they seemed to be pretty much in the wheelhouse of attendance for their home games that season. I think the impact of Thanksgiving break is probably minimal.

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Posted: 7/26/2013 1:50 PM

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847badgerfan wrote: PSU/Pitt got so one-sided in the last couple of decades, it didn't do much for me at all.

I guess none of those old Eastern PSU "rivals" did much for me because rival means the games are contested at least.
Ya, but when you play a team 100 teams in 105 years, it still means something to many of us.  They were and always have been our natural rival. Honestly, I hated to see Pitt fall that far for exactly why you posted - made it much less significant.  But I challenge you that for a 15 year period from the early 70's thru mid 80's this game meant as much as any other in the national landscape.  The overall spread is only like 5 games.  We just announced WVU in 20 & 21 - and we absolutely OWN that series.  Doesn't mean I'm not any less excited about it.

I have a feeling Pitt will be vastly improved under Chryst, and if our sanctions stick (ya, I still pray we might get thrown a bone here) we could be in for a heck of a couple of battles in 16 & 17.  At the very least it'll give me something to 'hate' again on my schedule each year.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 1:51 PM

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Jwilly48 wrote: Don't know as though PSU would love the idea of always finishing on the road, but it's an interesting idea.
Well hell, we seem to open every friggin B1G season on the road, why not end it too?  tongue

Idea is neat, but you're right, it'd never fly.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 1:54 PM

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Jwilly48 wrote:
mjb34500 wrote:


I actually have some MSU friends that really care about this thing. And are genuinely upset that they will not have PSU at the end of every season.
I think Perles and Paterno tried as best they could to help us fit in to the conference, but man that's one ugly trophy LOL.

It became a fun game to watch don't get me wrong, and pretty evenly matched year to year but was never a 'rivalry' to me.  That's always been, always will be, Pitt.  I don't 'hate' MSU.  I despise Pitt and it made our Thanksgivings a lot of fun watching that game.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 2:11 PM

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I did not mean to demean the series MJB. Sorry if that's how my post came off.

You could say the same about Minnie and UW or Minnie and UM right now.

Not many people outside of fans from those schools really care all that much about those games anymore.

I blame Minnie for that. Easy answer and normally correct.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 2:25 PM

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Jwilly48 wrote: Like others have said, I'm completely opposed to cross-over games the final week (aside from PU/IU). And I really don't want to see any more than the minimum one cross-over game on any week in November, thats the time for inter-divisional play.
You should be able to handle it by having one bye in each division every week in November except the final week when you have PU/IU.  Although, they might not want to have byes that late, but if not I hope the November cross-overs are Minny/IU or RU/ILL rather than tOSU/UNL or M/UW.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 3:11 PM

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Jwilly48 wrote: Like others have said, I'm completely opposed to cross-over games the final week (aside from PU/IU). And I really don't want to see any more than the minimum one cross-over game on any week in November, thats the time for inter-divisional play.
You should be able to handle it by having one bye in each division every week in November except the final week when you have PU/IU.  Although, they might not want to have byes that late, but if not I hope the November cross-overs are Minny/IU or RU/ILL rather than tOSU/UNL or M/UW.
Unfortunately they did not do this.

2016 has three cross-overs the first weekend in November, including OSU/UNL.
2017 Has three cross-overs the third weekend in November, including PSU/UNL and UM/UW

Ugh. They could do better than this.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 3:48 PM

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I don't mind inter-divisional the first weekend of November. That's still only about the half way mark for conference play.

As for the Land Grant Trophy, I've come to the conclusion that modern trophy designs suck, at least for rivalry games (something like the BCS crystal ball is actually pretty good). The best trophies are things that aren't set trophies, Paul Bunyan's Axe, the the Floyd of Rosedale, the Illibuck, Sweet Sioux Tomahawk, and the Little Brown Jug are all better than any of the new trophies we've introduced over the last couple of years like the Hero's Trophy, the Land Grant Trophy, or the Land of Lincoln Trophy (the last being a little better than the former two though with a possibility to grow on me).
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