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Athletic priorities

Posted: 12/17/2012 9:10 AM

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I have been lurking around these boards for a few years now. I know I'm not a regular poster but I just wanted to throw in my 2-cents and get some feedback from people that care about Cal State Fullerton's future.

For the record, if CSUF ever brought back football I would support it whole heartedly. I would buy season tickets, t-shirts, and attend events....But ultimately I'm not sure we could draw enough fans to the games to make it a viable program. I'm fearful that all our efforts might be fruitless because ultimately the vast majority of students are apathetic and will keep wearing UCLA/USC shirts and ignore their own school, which frustrates the heck out of me.

I'm more inclined to build a top flight arena, bolster current programs, and maybe even add a few more sports since our athletic department barely qualifies for D1 as it stands now. In my opinion, I really think we could build an awesome basketball program built on great facilities and more money to support the program. I would be satisfied by seeing CSUF and the Big West rise to the level of the West Coast Conference.

Thanks in advance for your feedback.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 5:14 PM

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Welcome to the board. It is unfortunate that the previous administration did such a good job discouraging sports and drive away many fans of Titan Athletics. The previous president, our dear Uncle Miltie was a D1 basketball player at Xavier. He must be about 6-4 or 6-5 in height and sure has an athletic body frame. The oxymoron part of this was he hated sports and did everything he could to diminish any success of Titan Athletics. The baseball program was a regular participant to Omaha and he was never there, perhaps once for me to give him the benefit of the doubt. The basketball team won the conference and made the show the first time in 30 years, Uncld Miltie was no where to be seen in attendance of this historic moment. To endure that he left a bigger legacy of dropping football, nearly dropping VBall, he dropped wrestling and gymnastics to his satisfaction before he retired.

The new president was a president prior to her appointment here so she has strong leadership and fundraising mentality. She cleaned house, those with the attitude of can't do from the previous admin, was found outside the door. She hired Jim Donovan last week to be our AD and reporting directly to her. A great hire I may add and she really showed that she had a keen interest to restore back the success and integrity of Titan Athletics. After being treated like a redhead stepchild for two decades, Titan Athletics are alive again. After taking shots at Uncle Miltie for two decades I finally feel that I am exited at the state of Titan Athletics.

There is no doubt that football will return because of a supporting president and an awesome AD. I don't know how long it will take, but based on the prelim meeting with the VP (hired from GA St) I know that the gridiron will hit the turf. If anything the executives are listening to us and welcoming our feedback. This is indeed and truly a luxury that did not exist during the previous administration.

Finally I like to say that Brian Quinn who I believe was the most decent human being I met, was never given any green light or resources to run the show. He was a subject of a scapegoat of the failing athletics department. Again you can thank Uncle Miltie for that.

Last edited 01/06/2013 6:39 AM by HoopsDr

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Posted: 12/17/2012 8:51 PM

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I get what you're saying, but let's say CSUF does bring a football team back.  I'm a Titan through and through.  Followed the baseball team long before I arrived on campus as a student.  Met my wife on campus.  Both my parents and my grandma received a degree there.  I live close enough to campus that I could hear the helicopters all night last Wednesday night.  

But since I've been old enough to follow college football, CSUF hasn't had a program.  Because of this, I've also grown up a UCLA Bruin football fan.  It would be so weird to me if CSUF brought back football, instantly rooting against the Bruins, given I have supported them on football for so long.  I admit I'd feel conflicted, but if I was on campus, watching the Titans play, how could I root against them?  But I wouldn't abandon UCLA at the same time, I couldn't after all these years.  
ocbearclaw wrote:


 I'm fearful that all our efforts might be fruitless because ultimately the vast majority of students are apathetic and will keep wearing UCLA/USC shirts and ignore their own school, which frustrates the heck out of me.


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Posted: 12/17/2012 9:23 PM

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Thanks for the responses. Can anybody explain why CSUF is the largest Cal State campus but we have the lowest funding for athletics. I mean, Cal Poly has half the students but twice the funding? Where did we go wrong?

I'm under the impression that the President has the power to raise fees as she see fit. It seems like the obvious answer to me since SDSU and others just raise fees to ensure that the funding is available. You tell the students, "hey life sucks but we are going to have funding on par with every other Cal State campus." If you don't like it then transfer to CSU Dominguez Hills. Or, you make a serious attempt to sell it a feee increase to the students. She seems like she is a saleswoman that could convine the students to do it.

Last edited 12/17/2012 9:23 PM by ocbearclaw

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Posted: 12/17/2012 10:49 PM

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It starts at the top. If the president wants more funds she will make it happen. Get the students to pay more should be priority number one. Then go get some real corporate sponsorships, not giving away the farm for a zillion ads in the baseball outfield.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 12:07 PM

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To echo TC, this school was under an anti-athletic dictatorship for 20 years. The previous administration did everything it could to downplay athletics. In fact I would be shocked if the previous administration ever had a meeting with athletics in the past 20 years. It did however a good job dropping sports.

The CSUF Athletic budget is $9M, lowest in conference and only school to be in single digit. Even the non football school like LB or UCI are at $13-14M. It also had the lowest student ref fee at $71, comparing to LB of UCI which are at $120-130 range, UCSB at $250-300, UCD at $750, CP at $350. CSUF is about the same as CSUDH which is at almost $8M. The new leadership is pledging to rebuild athletics starting with fundraising, then improve facilities which it already modernized the locker rooms and painting the gym.

Many graduating classes and tens of thousands of students were "cheated" by the previous administration. Those students who became alumni had nothing concrete to give back. This will be a challenge for the current administration to go after for donations and involvement. Dr G is building a strong fundraising team and plan but the people from the previous administration is still hiding the list of donors from her. Eventually these people will be eliminated like those who did not cooperate in the last few months.

The key now is that we got ourselves a great AD in Jim Donovan who is thinking big and had big plans to restore the the integrity of athletics. Donovan will be as good as how he is given the green light from Dr G to run the show. Since he is reporting directly to her, the athletics dept is only one layer to the top.

Good days are ahead. The current executives had taken their times to listen to us, something we never had in the past.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 12:44 PM

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So the AD (Jim Donovan) isn't reporting to Dr. Eanes, but instead to Dr. Garcia?
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Posted: 12/19/2012 1:35 PM

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HoopsDr wrote:  ... with the VP (hired from GA St).

A minor point, but Dr. Eanes comes to us from the CUNY system.  From her bio, I can see no connection as as an administrator or student at Georgia State.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 1:58 PM

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That was told to us from Dr E.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 2:01 PM

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Ironically there was a lot of mentioning of GSU during our meeting. She said how great it was to have a homecoming at the football field.

calstate.fullerton.edu/news/20...fairs-Named.asp

"Over the last 15 years, Johnson Eanes has led student success initiatives for a wide range of institutions, including Hamilton College, Morehouse College, Columbia University and Georgia State University, as well as for John Jay College of Criminal Justice."
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Posted: 12/19/2012 2:12 PM

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I stand corrected.  It wasn't on the bio I saw.  Her last stint was at John Jay College of Criminal Justice (CUNY).
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Posted: 12/28/2012 1:20 PM

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Kirk,

Has the IN & OUT Arena idea ever been seriously approached or formerly proposed?

I think its a slam dunk. Everything inside and outside of the arena can be red and white, sell only IN & OUT at concessions. They could easily fund any of the 5000 seat arenas discussed here. Whoever gets hired should make this action their number one priority. There is not a better corporate logo available. Make the place look just like an In and Out, tiles and all.

Scholarship and internship opportunities would be plentiful.

Easy fix for our concession problems. No more hot dogs.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 1:34 PM

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And why would In and Out want to do this? I don't see any benefit to them for putting their name on an Arena.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 2:04 PM

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Because they keep expanding.

Regional/national exposure and an opportunity to attach their name to events, athletic and otherwise.

Last edited 12/28/2012 2:05 PM by titanjim

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Posted: 12/28/2012 2:06 PM

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The In & Out Classic on ESPN would have a much broader appeal than the O'Reilly Auto Parts Invitational.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 3:46 PM

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In & Out is a family-owned business.  I frankly have no idea on what level the ownership has been approached, or if they have at all.  That type of information is not shared.

In terms of an arena, since it does not appear on the master plan, no sponsor would be approached for something that there are no plans for.  Hopefully that will change with the new administration.
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Posted: 12/29/2012 11:06 AM

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"And why would In and Out want to do this? I don't see any benefit to them for putting their name on an Arena."

whether they've been approached, or would be interested, is immaterial.  They are a big regional name, NOT approaching them would be classic "Titan".  Why not see if there is some interest?  What would be the downside to guaging their interest???
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Posted: 12/29/2012 11:20 AM

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Csuf78, I was involved with marketing and brand awareness for over 40 years. Companies aren't lining up to throw money away, they need ROI. That's the reason In and Out and Panda are at Angels Stadium - people see their brand. 500 to 1,000 would see the In and Out arena, not a good investment. The real issue is not getting a patsy to put their name on a new arena, but to built on our pathetic student and community support. Try to fill what we have first, then go for a new venue.
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Posted: 12/29/2012 1:11 PM

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Unfortunately I agree with Rufus...
Fill HTG with the students & community then maybe we could get funding for arena.... btw how about getting it added to the presidents plan for future growth...
I know that UCI packed Crawford hall before they had the Bren... that is what must done at HTG!!!!!
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Posted: 12/29/2012 2:06 PM

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We will never sell-out Dilapidated Titan Gym on a consistent basis. Build the 5000 seat basketball arena and that will get the community excited. At the very least, GET IT ON THE MASTER PLAN, for crying out loud.
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Posted: 12/29/2012 2:34 PM

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TC, the "build it and they will come" worked in the movie, but this is the real world. No one comes to see an Arena, they come to see good basketball. And while we play an exciting brand of basketball, we always play one of the worst schedules in America. No one is going to come to see Hope, LaVerne, Bakersfield, Idaho State, etc. I say "upgrade" and they will come.
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Posted: 12/29/2012 2:56 PM

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I agree with you about the schedule and about the student involvement but if I am the AD, my second priority is to get this in the master plan (first priority is to clean house).

I just wish the Big West would do away with all non-DI games altogether. When coaches livelihood is on the line, of course they are going to schedule two wins when given a choice. Take this away immediately. These games hurt the conference and they need to have been banned a long time ago.

As for student involvement, all we have ever heard is excuses, and this dates back the 20 years I have been following. Hopefully the new AD does not put up with excuses and changes things around here significantly.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 8:42 AM

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I agree on the need to upgrade the schedule, its pathetic.

I don't think you build marketing partnerships for the just the in-house attendees alone, at this point it would be a tough sell. But, I think you can start building marketing partnerships for the TV presence. It was nice to see the Volvo logos on the basket supports.

Why else would ESPN be willing to broadcast CSUF and UCSB on a national game? Between FOX, ESPN and TWarner, there is plenty of regional airtime to go around. They are pretty much begging for live sports at this point.

The Titans have a good on-court product, couple that with an improved schedule and a nicer venue, and you have the makings of a good TV revenue machine. Add a big name logo to the floor and you have a built-in sponsor for the game and you can offer them discounted TV commercial rates.

DIII/NAIA games are a joke. Schedule some real games to help sell during recruiting. Playing low-level comp is not fun and very dangerous.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 9:48 AM

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Since CSUF will never be a football school we need to go after the number 2 sport which is basketball. This means investing in the program to make it the best. With that said we should aim for building an arena which will do the following:

 

1) Provide a top notch facility which will help attract prospective recruits. It shows we are committed to the basketball program. It really is an enticing benefit. (Nice locker rooms, conference rooms, etc.). It makes us stand out from other Big West schools.

2) This facility would stir excitement and pride for the Titan community (Alumni, students, faculty, neighbors). There is no way around it, Titan Gym is nothing more that a high school gym. A new arena could be a centerpiece for the campus

3) The facility could be used as a revenue generator for the athletic department. I'm sure it would be used for more than just MBB. This facility will be rented out and used by the greater campus community.

I don't like this chicken-egg debate. We all know that a new facility would help build-up the program. This should be a basic building block of a great program.

Last edited 12/31/2012 1:10 PM by ocbearclaw

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Posted: 12/31/2012 9:55 AM

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Also, I concur with every other poster. I am sick of seeing these pathetic schedules year after year. Please tell Hope International, Cal State LA, Cal State Monterey Bay, Dominguez hills, Westmont, San Diego Christian, etc. that we are not playing them anymore!! Every single game should be Division 1 with the possible exception of one exhibition game (which I still object to). The fans and players want some quality competition and not MEDIOCRITY. The athletic director should be directly involved in this strategy and make it happen.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 12:44 PM

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How's that new arena concept working out for UCI? They haven't been to the NCAA's or the NIT, but CSUF has. Davis has the best facility in the Big West, how's that working for them.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 2:13 PM

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Scary!!!!!!
I am agreeing with Rufus more and more....
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Posted: 12/31/2012 2:25 PM

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Remember, it's the TRUUUTH. Hard to accept, unless you are Republican and used to making up stuff.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 2:55 PM

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making stuff up..........like the unemployment statistics????????????
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Posted: 12/31/2012 3:02 PM

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Really? Do you care how many people are unemployed, as long as it isn't you? Meaningless stat.
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