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Fullerton 8, Bakersfield 0 - Middle of 5th

Posted: 02/17/2013 3:13 PM

Fullerton 8, Bakersfield 0 - Middle of 5th 


JD Davis is making a strong statement to be the Big West player of the week. 2 HR's and 6 RBI today, including a grand slam in the 5th, and 7-15 with 11 RBI in four games.  

Last edited 02/17/2013 3:16 PM by FullertonBaseballFan

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Posted: 02/17/2013 3:50 PM

Re: Fullerton 8, Bakersfield 0 - Middle of 5th 


Gotta love the way we are coming out of the gates this season. I know the level of competition is not at our level, but early in a season anything can happen as teams have to work the kinks out of their systems. Pitching again looks good, JD is killing it, the offense is working, lets hope this continues throughout the season. We should be tested against Pepperdine and then TCU next weekend. Lets go Titans!
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Posted: 02/17/2013 4:09 PM

Fullerton 8, Bakersfield 2 - FINAL 


Gauna threw 7 shutout innings before running out of gas in the 8th and giving up a couple of hits to score a run and the second run scored on a wild pitch by Kuhl.

Last edited 02/17/2013 4:23 PM by FullertonBaseballFan

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Posted: 02/17/2013 5:06 PM

Re: Fullerton 8, Bakersfield 0 - Middle of 5th 


Can someone explain that pick off play in the 5th or 6th inning?

Last edited 02/17/2013 7:53 PM by diablos06

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Posted: 02/17/2013 7:55 PM

Re: Fullerton 8, Bakersfield 0 - Middle of 5th 


I was there, saw it, and was wondering the same thing. The runner didn't move AT ALL. The crowd was even so stunned we didnt clap tilll the ball was thrown back to the pitcher.

Lots of JD Davis today. Both homers were to DEAD center. Isn't he the one who broke his collar bone last Summer?
Congrats Titans.
diablos06 wrote: Can someone explain that pick off play in the 5th or 6th inning?

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JD Davis is making a strong statement to be the Big West player of the week. 2 HR's and 6 RBI today, including a grand slam in the 5th, and 7-15 with 11 RBI in four games.  

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Last edited 02/17/2013 7:57 PM by RunnerBall

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Posted: 02/17/2013 8:52 PM

Re: Fullerton 8, Bakersfield 0 - Middle of 5th 


Thanks for stopping by.

The coaching staff wasn't thrilled with a bunt single in the 6th.  The "pinch-runner" was told not to move to eliminate the runner that shouldn't have gotten on base on a bunt.  

Davis did break his collar bone in a car accident that cut his summer short.  He's obviously healthy now, LOL.  He's also a pitcher and pitched in relief yesterday and figures to start on Tues at P'dine. 
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Posted: 02/17/2013 8:58 PM

Re: Fullerton 8, Bakersfield 0 - Middle of 5th 


FBF . . . Due to the score, was the bunt "rubbing it in the face of your opponent"?
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Posted: 02/17/2013 9:08 PM

Re: Fullerton 8, Bakersfield 0 - Middle of 5th 


That's what the coaching staff thought, hence the "pinch-runner" that took a big lead and didn't move on a pickoff attempt.
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Posted: 02/17/2013 11:24 PM

Re: Fullerton 8, Bakersfield 0 - Middle of 5th 


So, basically lets erase something that shouldn't have happened so we don't count on it in the future. Ok...that makes sense in these early games. Thx. Did you go to the game? Our new seats are a BIG improvement over previous arrangements. Hope you enjoyed your visit.

EDIT: Ok, I just went back and read Diablos post. Knowing Kernen, he had no problem with it. He looks at games like this as reality checks so the kids don't get complacent after wins over Nebraska and USC. Thx again for the synopsis. Always enjoy your baseball insights, FBF.

Best of luck the rest of the way, Titans.
FullertonBaseballFan wrote: Thanks for stopping by.

The coaching staff wasn't thrilled with a bunt single in the 6th.  The "pinch-runner" was told not to move to eliminate the runner that shouldn't have gotten on base on a bunt.  

Davis did break his collar bone in a car accident that cut his summer short.  He's obviously healthy now, LOL.  He's also a pitcher and pitched in relief yesterday and figures to start on Tues at P'dine. 

Last edited 02/17/2013 11:29 PM by RunnerBall

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Posted: 02/18/2013 5:09 AM

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RunnerBall . . . Really enjoyed my visit to the campus, the Roadrunners had a successful weekend and belong in D-1 baseball . . . Great crowd on Sunday, and a successful weekend total in attendance . . . You have an excellent skipper at the helm . . . Best of luck the rest of the season . . .
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Posted: 02/18/2013 7:49 AM

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RunnerBall wrote: So, basically lets erase something that shouldn't have happened so we don't count on it in the future. Ok...that makes sense in these early games. Thx. Did you go to the game? Our new seats are a BIG improvement over previous arrangements. Hope you enjoyed your visit.

EDIT: Ok, I just went back and read Diablos post. Knowing Kernen, he had no problem with it. He looks at games like this as reality checks so the kids don't get complacent after wins over Nebraska and USC. Thx again for the synopsis. Always enjoy your baseball insights, FBF.

Best of luck the rest of the way, Titans.
FullertonBaseballFan wrote: Thanks for stopping by.

The coaching staff wasn't thrilled with a bunt single in the 6th.  The "pinch-runner" was told not to move to eliminate the runner that shouldn't have gotten on base on a bunt.  

Davis did break his collar bone in a car accident that cut his summer short.  He's obviously healthy now, LOL.  He's also a pitcher and pitched in relief yesterday and figures to start on Tues at P'dine. 
This seems like an obvious and unnecessary overreaction on Vanderhook's part. With four innings to play and up only 8 runs, this game was far from over. If anything, this may be construed as an insult to Bakersfield.

As the leader, hopefully Vanderhook realizes this and apologizes to Diemer. Kids should not be embarrassed for doing everything they can to win games. There is a time and a place to ease off the gas and that was not the time nor the place.

That said, I sure hope this doesn't take away from the fact that the Titans had a tremendous weekend and really made strides with the bat and seems to have not lost a beat with the pitching (may even be better than last year).
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Posted: 02/18/2013 8:35 AM

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I'll try not read too much into this, but I agree with TC, it was an unnecessary move and could have some harmful effects.

An 8-0 game in the sixth in college is never over. Two years ago we blew a 10-0 lead against Long Beach. If we want to teach our kids to be aggressive and always taking the extra base, then what's wrong with getting that "extra base" by getting on base?

Diemer hasn't gotten a hit up to that point this season and he was trying to find a way to get on base any way he can. I think he should be applauded and given a pat on the back instead of getting yanked from the game. What kind of message does that send to him or the rest of the team? Do we really want the kids not show any initiative and only do what the coaches want them to do?

And finally the move was an insult to CSUB, which is not some hapless ballclub that needed mercy. They're the best team we've played so far this season. It was akin to Lou Holtz ordering his guys running out of bound 4 times from inside the 5 against Navy so as to not run up the score.
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Posted: 02/18/2013 10:12 AM

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I'm not sure which way to go on this call, I can see the logic on each side of this debate . . . Unwritten rules in baseball vs the welfare of this young player . . . One thing is obvious for sure, including this thread and others, Titan Central has a real disdain for our head coach . . .
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Posted: 02/18/2013 10:15 AM

Re: Fullerton 8, Bakersfield 0 - Middle of 5th 


Funny thing was...we bunted a TON vrs USC the day before. Other than Davis two blasts...it was a pretty even game in many ways. We let guys on at the wrong times...in front of the 'wrong' hitter.

Anyway...have a great year guys. Maybe we'll meet again next year.

Last edited 02/18/2013 10:19 AM by RunnerBall

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Posted: 02/18/2013 2:03 PM

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diablos06 wrote: I'm not sure which way to go on this call, I can see the logic on each side of this debate . . . Unwritten rules in baseball vs the welfare of this young player . . . One thing is obvious for sure, including this thread and others, Titan Central has a real disdain for our head coach . . .
I really didn't want to go here this early, especially since the team is coming off such a great opening weekend but I can't just let that comment go by without a reply.

Disdain for Vanderhook? I don't think so as that implies little or no respect. I have said in the past that I think he was a great assistant coach. As a head coach he has done some things well such as the hiring of Jason Dietrich (appears to be very high up there) as well as recruiting.

My problems were/are with lack of head coaching experience, attention to detail, leadership and letting things like the above happen. This was a non-issue that could have been handled much better or, better yet, not handled at all. Instead, it appears, whether true or not, that our coach has put his loyalty to a friend above the loyalty of his players.

Bottom line: Eight run leads with four innings to play is not enough to win all games and should be played as such, no matter who the opponent. The decision to punish (yank out of the game like he did something wrong) one of our players was wrong as well as disrespectful to the Bakersfield players. There is no unwritten rule in college baseball, where runs come in bunches, to shut it down that early. Most teams will have multiple games in a season where they will score 8 runs (or more) over 4 innings.

It was a mistake and hopefully Vanderhook addresses it to the team that he did make a mistake and simply says that his emotions and concern for the other head coach got the better of him.
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Posted: 02/18/2013 3:07 PM

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If the coach tells you to hit away then you attempt to hit even if it means striking out.  You don't bunt and do what you want.  Just maybe Hook has seen a hitch in the batters swing that he wants to get worked out now and not take into Omaha. 

Hook was a PROVEN Asst Coach.  Horton and Garrido fully trusted him to get the teams prepared based on their statements. 
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Posted: 02/18/2013 4:49 PM

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One thing should be clear. If the ball coach says swing away, probably a good idea to swing away.
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Posted: 02/18/2013 5:25 PM

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Disclaimer: I was not at Bakersfield to witness the event.  My first thought was it was kind of a cool move (I wasn't aware of how many innings were left though).  I must have misread the subject, but I thought it was 8th.  5th seems a little early.  Anyways, it might have just been Hook's way of saying "that wasn't MY call to bunt in that situation".  But I agree, when I was explaining the situation to someone, I thought that giving an out away could also be seem is a handout.  I just hope all is well with everybody, and Hook wasn't too hard on the player (Diemer?)  
fullertonalum wrote: If the coach tells you to hit away then you attempt to hit even if it means striking out.  You don't bunt and do what you want.  Just maybe Hook has seen a hitch in the batters swing that he wants to get worked out now and not take into Omaha. 

Hook was a PROVEN Asst Coach.  Horton and Garrido fully trusted him to get the teams prepared based on their statements. 
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Posted: 02/18/2013 8:03 PM

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OK . . TC . . . I respect your thoughts . . . I think this play caught us all off guard . . . In retrospect, I'll have to side with the young man . . . Take him out of the game, chew him out on the bench, and ask the next hitter to sacrifice an out to disguised the free out . . . Rick is our head coach, and he'll learn the deity of this position, and the decorm required of treating the players and their families . . . Likewise, I'm willing to support the learning curve Rick will experience . . .

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Posted: 02/18/2013 8:20 PM

Don's Recap of 'Buntgate' and 4-0 Start Post Rating (3 votes)


Here's what DonSectionK thinks of "buntgate" and a whole lot others, on the Titans' 4-game sweep over the weekend. Be sure not to miss his takedown of Pat Haden -

http://fullertonbaseball.blogs...o-be-titan.html

And pictures from the Bakersfield game -

http://www.facebook.com/media/...8617&type=1

Last edited 02/18/2013 8:46 PM by FisnotFlorida

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