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Northridge Game Thread

Posted: 01/31/2013 6:59 AM

Northridge Game Thread 


CSF Release: http://www.fullertontitans.com/sports/m-baskbl/201 2-13/releases/20130130m5hw66

CSUN Release: http://gomatadors.com/sports/m-baskbl/2012-13/rele ases/20130128zmbbqu (500th game for Braswell; Looks like they are just as bad as us as there is no word on Stephen Hicks injury -- knee -- but he likely won't play tonight according to their message boards)

Titans are 8 point favorites with an over/under of 167.5 (~ 88-80)

Last edited 01/31/2013 7:13 AM by TitanCentral

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Posted: 01/31/2013 12:13 PM

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Don't everyone shout at once.  The game is not until...tonight.

That UCI/LB week sure took the steam out of Titan Central (not the person).
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Posted: 01/31/2013 1:22 PM

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LastPhDStanding wrote: Don't everyone shout at once.  The game is not until...tonight.

That UCI/LB week sure took the steam out of Titan Central (not the person).
And the person!

Yes, that was a tough week for a reality check. Had to reset expectations but I think a 3rd place finish would work, just can't finish in the bottom half.
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Posted: 01/31/2013 1:29 PM

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Posted: 01/31/2013 2:16 PM

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--- TitanCentral wrote:


LastPhDStanding wrote: Don't everyone shout at once.  The game is not until...tonight.

That UCI/LB week sure took the steam out of Titan Central (not the person).
And the person!

Yes, that was a tough week for a reality check. Had to reset expectations but I think a 3rd place finish would work, just can't finish in the bottom half.

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And avoid Irvine at all costs.
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Posted: 01/31/2013 3:31 PM

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TitanTuskForceTrev wrote: ---------------------------------------------
--- TitanCentral wrote:


LastPhDStanding wrote: Don't everyone shout at once.  The game is not until...tonight.

That UCI/LB week sure took the steam out of Titan Central (not the person).
And the person!

Yes, that was a tough week for a reality check. Had to reset expectations but I think a 3rd place finish would work, just can't finish in the bottom half.

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And avoid Irvine at all costs.
I'm actually looking forward to playing Irvine again.  Also the Beach's.  Payback opportunities are always welcome.

EDIT:  After tonight, I'm not so much looking forward to those games.  DJ is clearly gimpy and it's affecting his outside shot.   And our thin bench situation is simply taking the legs out of our other starters down the stretch.  But to their credit, they fought hard to the final buzzer.

Last edited 01/31/2013 9:47 PM by dahozzman

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Posted: 01/31/2013 9:17 PM

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Pointing out the obvious -- no defense.  Sad.
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Posted: 01/31/2013 9:17 PM

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Laid a big EGG tonight!!! What motivates kids these days??

PATHETIC
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Posted: 01/31/2013 10:40 PM

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Just a poor rebounding effort, both offensively and defensively. Team looked beaten from the get-go.

Crowd was awful and school was in session so no excuses from our fearless leaders. Time to clean house and get people who will put in the time to make attendance a priority for all home games, not just homecoming.
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Posted: 01/31/2013 10:44 PM

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ATFtitus wrote: Laid a big EGG tonight!!! What motivates kids these days??

PATHETIC

What was pathetic was the coaching.  The kids came out on their heels, with Matadors running around them.  Then Andy stood there for 40 minutes with his hands on his hips, his lips clenched shut.

Not once did he call out to the players during the game.  Not one "get back on defense" or "move the ball", or "block out", or "why the F*#& do we have five guys standing on the three point line".  Not even one "WAKE UP".

Alex sat almost in Section K muttering to himself while DJ fired up airballs.  How can we have a player like Sammy get only one shot in the first half.  Most importantly, how could we have only TWO assists in the first half???

I agree with all of you that Andy is a nice guy.  I also think he knows all of the right things to say.  But he does not make enough adjustments, has no diversity on offense, and the players have lost their confidence in him.  Yes, he has been done an injustice by having the interim tag attched to him while he is out recruiting, but he seems to be earning that tag with each game.

Coach, its time to get your hands off of your hips and not telegraph the entire game to the other team!  Motivate your players and give them a helping hand during the game instead of a long locker room finger shaking after the game.  Your players want wins.  So do we.
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Posted: 01/31/2013 11:03 PM

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Please this group of seniors have no heart or competiveness in them!They lose six games because no one of the so call big three can play in winning time and you blame the coach!Lets put it out their,No one whats to play with kwame the Ballhog who over dribbles and DJ has talent but no competiveness!This wont happen next year because you have a closer sitting on the bench that hates to lose!
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Posted: 01/31/2013 11:22 PM

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Who is this closer sitting on the bench?  BTW, I think that each of the big three can play in winning time, and each of them have displayed just that.  What I see is that they often have no motivation to do so... 

Sammy stepped it up in the second half once he finally had some touches.  Kwame fought as well.  DJ only did so once we got to the point where Northridge was in a "no foul" posture.

This very predictable offense has an inherent weakness in that there is no insidr/outside game.  The ball is simply dribbled and (periodically) passed around the perimeter, over and over.  The other teams are clear that all they have to do is contest the three point line.  Accordingly, our three point percentage is on a steady decline.

Regarding inside/outside, Sammy Yeagar is the only player that passes inside to Deuce Johnson.  Kwame and DJ go through periods in which they don't pass to Sammy or Deuce, so Sammy cannot pass to Deuce.  In other words, we have the most predicable offense in Division I history. 

If Kwame is a ballhog, it is the coach who allows that to happen.  If DJ has no competitiveness, the coach has some of the blame.  Yes, some motivation needs to come from within, but coaches are also called on to motivate.  Oh yeah, they are also called on to coach.
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Posted: 02/01/2013 7:34 AM

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SoCalTitanJ wrote:
ATFtitus wrote: Laid a big EGG tonight!!! What motivates kids these days??

PATHETIC

What was pathetic was the coaching.  The kids came out on their heels, with Matadors running around them.  Then Andy stood there for 40 minutes with his hands on his hips, his lips clenched shut.

Not once did he call out to the players during the game.  Not one "get back on defense" or "move the ball", or "block out", or "why the F*#& do we have five guys standing on the three point line".  Not even one "WAKE UP".

Alex sat almost in Section K muttering to himself while DJ fired up airballs.  How can we have a player like Sammy get only one shot in the first half.  Most importantly, how could we have only TWO assists in the first half???

I agree with all of you that Andy is a nice guy.  I also think he knows all of the right things to say.  But he does not make enough adjustments, has no diversity on offense, and the players have lost their confidence in him.  Yes, he has been done an injustice by having the interim tag attched to him while he is out recruiting, but he seems to be earning that tag with each game.

Coach, its time to get your hands off of your hips and not telegraph the entire game to the other team!  Motivate your players and give them a helping hand during the game instead of a long locker room finger shaking after the game.  Your players want wins.  So do we.
So, it would seem that Burton yelled too much, and that Andy doesn't yell enough.  Hopefully Goldilocks can find a situation that is "just right."

While not excusing much of the performance last night, let's remember that Coach Newman has almost no options when someone is not playing well, is having a cold-shooting night, or is playing hurt.  Beyond his 7, all are walk-on's.  While they are all nice kids, and no doubt will play as hard as they can, all are walk-on's for a reason, and can provide little if any firepower.

While the defensive lapses were too many to list, and must be corrected immediately, it appears that our opponents have figured out how to get the ball inside to their bigs.  We are obviously very vulnerable inside with only one true post player.

Our line-up is our line-up.  Watching Darius limp, it seems very unlikely that we will get any help this season.

With the exception of last night and the most notably the UCI game, I think Coach Newman gets a passing grade this season, and I would most certainly give him a contract.  Three recruits are signed, and Mikey Williams and Steve McClellan are waiting in the wings.  If both were eligible, both would be receiving significant minutes now.  Hopefully Darius can return from injury at 100% by next season.  However, we know how tricky foot injuries can be.  Andre Hardy was never the same player, and if I remember, Ike Harmon had an ineffective senior year due to nagging foot problems.

Coach Newman is in a tough spot.  There is only so much that he can do, and few additional resources that he can call upon to get wins.  I'm sure that every loss tears at his heart, and makes Donovan's decision harder.

We all know what I think and want.  Unfortunately, the decision will be Donovan's, and Donovan's alone.
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Posted: 02/01/2013 7:55 AM

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Knowing what we know now about this season, I would rather Nelson sit the whole year and come back 100% next season. That doesn't mean I'm packing in the season, because anyone can get hot and win 3 in 3 days. But, that is our team right now, and I actually don't see how Nelson fits into the what we have had to become as a team.

I still think the future is bright. Alex Harris has an Eric Bledsoe/Ray Reed makeup in brilliant flashes. Jared Brandon has a very very bright future. We have 3 more very good players redshirting in the wings. Plus more freshmen coming in next year.

If I were Donovan, I would sign Andy to a 1 or 2 year deal. Andy should receive credit for keeping almost everyone here after last season's debacle, and should be given an opportunity to recruit/learn the head coaching ropes.

Now, if we have the same type of season next year, or even regress, then I would start searching elsewhere.
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Posted: 02/01/2013 8:10 AM

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A one year deal would kill his ability to recruit.  Three years seems reasonable.
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Posted: 02/01/2013 8:49 AM

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SigmaNuTitan wrote: Knowing what we know now about this season, I would rather Nelson sit the whole year and come back 100% next season. That doesn't mean I'm packing in the season, because anyone can get hot and win 3 in 3 days. But, that is our team right now, and I actually don't see how Nelson fits into the what we have had to become as a team.

I still think the future is bright. Alex Harris has an Eric Bledsoe/Ray Reed makeup in brilliant flashes. Jared Brandon has a very very bright future. We have 3 more very good players redshirting in the wings. Plus more freshmen coming in next year.

If I were Donovan, I would sign Andy to a 1 or 2 year deal. Andy should receive credit for keeping almost everyone here after last season's debacle, and should be given an opportunity to recruit/learn the head coaching ropes.

Now, if we have the same type of season next year, or even regress, then I would start searching elsewhere.
Here is where I struggle.  I have no doubt that Andy is an excellent associate head coach.  And the interim tag impedes his ability to recruit.  But, as SigmaNu implies, it appears that Andy is learning how to be a head coach.  Granted this is not the ACC, but I don't believe a Division I coach should be learning on the job.
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Posted: 02/01/2013 10:00 AM

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SoCalTitanJ, have you ever been a coach?

Coaches can prepare players and train them, but the motivation has to come from within the player.  Players who perform selfishly on the court, who fancy themselves to be contenders for NBA careers and play street-ball during games, are not going to be motivated by anyone yelling on the sidelines to "get back on defense." 

These players know all about defense, they just don't chose to play defensively.  They appear to be more concerned with personal statistics than with playing as a team.  They have heard "live or die by the three" so often, they believe it. 

Do you think the players perform this way during practice?  Coach Newman and Coach Waterman provide them with the tools to make adjustments and win games -- the players know how to do it, and they know when to do it.   During games, they revert back to flashy spin moves, watching the shot from the three-point line and ignoring the concept of rebounding.  Because, how can you make a three if you are in the paint pulling down an offensive rebound? 

Thank goodness Vaughn makes his free throws or the score would be even lower.  Guess the coaches could "motivate" Seeley, Yeager and Vaughn to show some teamwork by keeping them on the bench and letting others play. 

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Posted: 02/01/2013 10:31 AM

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Guys don't come to CSUF to play defense, they come to play in an up tempo shot it first, pass it last offense. Defense is not on the agenda. We would not be having be having this discussion if Andy had all the players he thought he would have before the season started. We went from having a good bench, to having no bench and 3 players. Very bad hand that Andy was dealt. Not sure next year will be very good, where are the points going to come from? Doesn't appear that the old Titan chant of "wait until next year" is going to fit. Enjoy the Big Three for as long, and as far, as they take us.
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Posted: 02/01/2013 12:16 PM

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Trust me there are Plenty of Points Sitting in street cloths and coming in next year.Next years team will be better and more intertaining than this group.
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Posted: 02/01/2013 12:23 PM

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I think TrojanTitanJ should stick to musical criticism.

First, anyone with a feel for the game knows that DJ has been hurt since the UCI game, and is now likely sick as well.  He pushes his shots with his arms, avoiding use of his lower body, something he never did, even when he was "off".

Second, the criticism of Andy's coaching is a bit superficial.  It goes back to depth:  Brandon looks terrible.  Deuce is Deuce; he would look a lot better with two more bigs on the floor/bench.  I won't mention their names.  We have little option other than driving into a crowd on the floor.  Instituting the Auburn Shuffle would do little good.

Which leads us to....third... Roofus is right.  It kills me to say that he knows anything beyond his dual forte of politics and greyhounds.  These kids come here not knowing the basics of defense.  They line up wrong, turn the wrong way. flail at the ball with their hands.  All seventh grade problems.  Teaching them is complicated by the fact that we deal in transfers.  

All in all, a complex situation not aided by simplistic analysis.
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Posted: 02/01/2013 12:25 PM

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I agree, Andy is playing with a short deck and I hope that JD is willing to extend a contract to let him prove he is the coach for many years to come. (although, I do also agree that his game management is needing some tweaking) His front court was stripped down to Deuce and who ever can move into the post, and because of that his backcourt is down to mainly the big 3 (due to those with the expected backup minutes are now in the front court)
The Titans need to take care of the rest of the home schedule and then steal some games on the road to finish strong going into the tournament. (fingers crossed (and toes too))
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Posted: 02/01/2013 12:54 PM

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That's hard to believe. Williams might be good for 14 a game, Nelson if he can walk or run will have so much rust on his game that it will be hard on him, and and I don't see Steve averaging 18 a game. Where do you see points coming from?
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Posted: 02/01/2013 1:00 PM

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Right as usual, CM.

I did not intend to give Andy a free pass.

He just has some monumental problems.
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Posted: 02/01/2013 1:01 PM

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Sitting way up high.

Way up, firm and high.
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Posted: 02/01/2013 1:47 PM

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(Should this be in another thread?)
as a long time Titan and fan, I am just as frustrated as all the rest of you section K'ers....
No, no free pass to the coach, but what plan does he have once he can catch his breath and full roster of his kids....
(if given the chance)

We will lose a lot in scoring next year, but I know nothing of the bench (and red shirts) not to even say what the recruits are like. It would be nice to see what is in store for us next year and the coming years. (we were able to reload during the last 10 years.... can we expect the same?)

(of course we still have the rest of this season to go and once the tournament starts who knows (wishful thinking))

Revenge on the 'Bows come saturday!!!!!

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Posted: 02/01/2013 2:12 PM

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costamesan wrote:  but what plan does he have once he can catch his breath and full roster of his kids....
(if given the chance)

I enourage you to ask those questions at the Saturday, March 2nd Chalk Talk.
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Posted: 02/01/2013 2:57 PM

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KirkSR wrote: A one year deal would kill his ability to recruit.  Three years seems reasonable.
Agree. It's already killed recruiting this year as we were not able to get a single transfer. A one or two year deal would set us back even further.
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Posted: 02/01/2013 3:03 PM

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Texas Independence Day.
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Posted: 02/01/2013 3:22 PM

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And also the day in 1962 when Wilt Chamberlain scored 100 points.
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Posted: 02/01/2013 3:39 PM

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Shhh!!! Don't encourage any big men.
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