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Was this the worst effort in Titan history?

Posted: 01/17/2013 10:15 PM

Was this the worst effort in Titan history? 


So far I cannot think of one that was more pathetic.  

Rampant flu is the only excuse I can think of.
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Posted: 01/17/2013 10:37 PM

Re: Was this the worst effort in Titan history? 


Up until tonight we had lost six games by a total of 26 points. Tonight we lose one game by 27. To make matters worse, we've been F'ed in the Zot two times in a row now, and yes, there's something wrong with that.
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Posted: 01/17/2013 11:04 PM

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I said this to the Professor tonight; I have never left a Titan game early, in any sport... tonight I seriously contemplated it. I was about one WIDE open three or unobstructed layup away from leaving.
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Posted: 01/17/2013 11:23 PM

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Trev, Fullerton mailed it in before the first time out....The bench was not even enthusiastic tonight.  Lets blame it on the dance team being out of town......
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Posted: 01/17/2013 11:58 PM

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I hate to say this, but Coach Andy simply got out coached tonight. Tuff love.

That said, one game does not a season make.

This kind of reminds me of the 04/05 season when Irvine came to our place and kicked our butt by 16. We went on to later beat them at their place. That was the same team that made that nice run in the NIT.

One game does not a season make.
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Posted: 01/18/2013 6:03 AM

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it was the worst beating I can remember in +/-38 years of watching Titan games.  to get manhandled that severely, at home, against a comparably talented team....WOW!  Ridiculous.
historically against UCLA, Zona, someone like that...you can understand.  but against UCI????
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Posted: 01/18/2013 8:06 AM

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Yes, that was a good beating and not the ideal way to open rivalry week. The number of fans in the stands was almost as disappointing as the result. Not sure what we could have done differently as we got beat at our own game, plus they had the quicker guards and the taller players.

Let's hope we can hit those NBA three-pointers in our game against the Dirtbags.
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Posted: 01/18/2013 8:40 AM

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That was absolutey dreadful.  I was reminded of some of the Hawking teams that would simply quit when facing such adversity.  While I don't think that anyone quit, I certainly was the least inspiring defensive effort that I can remember from a Burton on Newman team.

As Throwback mentioned last night, many of us can remember back to a time where a loss like that would throw us into a mult-game tailspin.  For Andy's sake, I hope that they can rebound quickly.

Beat Long Beach!
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Posted: 01/18/2013 2:19 PM

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I am not going to sugarcoat anything because I was not there. Every team has a few few dreadful games in a season. Unfortunately ours happened to be against the Zots in our own building. No worry we will bounce back. Sit on the beach!
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Posted: 01/18/2013 7:09 PM

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Yes it was very much like a Hawking era game.  Even worse than the effort was the defensive scheme in general.  I forgive getting owned inside because I recognize our lack of size and depth.  What I don't accept is the needless gambling and overplaying on defense, which led to our guards being totally dismantled off the dribble.  Very awful and really unacceptable.  It's almost like certain guys wanted the steal for an ez layup the other way to pad stats.  Well guess what?  It never worked.  I would attribute half of UCI's first 20 points to this riduculous defensive scheme.

Yes indeed, this could get ugly fast.  Tomorrow should be very telling for the rest of the season.
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Posted: 01/18/2013 11:10 PM

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Could get bad. LB Sucks is tall and athletic, guards are not as quick, nor are their AFROs as big, as UCI, so hopefully we can compete. Our big 3 better hope this was a one game slump, and get back on track.
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Posted: 01/19/2013 1:14 AM

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Been trying to allude to it, but, now that I see that I am not crazy (or alone on the issue), I gotta say that Andy has a lot of growing to do as an ingame coach.  As has been said here on the board, Andy was completely outcoached on both ends of the floor.  He pulls Kwame over and works with him, but he does not seem to work with anyone else except for his pats on the ass.

Once in a while you need to pull your assistants aside and talk to them.  But he seems to do so for nearly the entire time out, leaving only a few seconds to say something to the team.  He rarely changes the offense or the defense. 

I think the lack of coaching is part of the reason that some of the players so regularly check out of the game.  In the Irvine game the team quit after the first four plus minutes, like they did not think that they could be guided out of the forest.  Andy's style is obviously friendly, but he was not able to bring back Underwood or Horne.  And the team does not show any confidence in him.  The assistants periodically have to pull Harris or Yeager into the huddle, as though needing to remnd them that something important may be said.

I hate to be a downer here, but its time to start weighing in on the pros and cons of the interim coach.
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Posted: 01/19/2013 8:00 AM

Andy 


I think you are being a little, actually a lot, harsh on Andy. You are good to bring it up but just allow me to bring a different opinion.

First off, I like the style of talking with the other coaches first and letting the players think it over on their own during timeouts and then giving them the information they need. You don't need a minute to relay that information. This is used in many successful programs, and was used during all of the Burton years so I think you are just looking for something to pick on.

Everyone knows he has been dealt a bad hand with all post players losses. Who really knows why Underwood and Horne quit but I'm pretty sure it's not Andy and if I am the new AD, I would find out. If it is something else and Andy can fix it next year, I have no doubt he will do that.

Secondly, he is working with all the players, not just Kwame. There were numerous occasions in the last game alone where players would immediately come out and then go back in the next dead ball after Andy got his point across. I have witnessed this throughout the season. And yes, as the floor leader, Andy may talk more to Kwame, but nothing at all wrong with that.

Lastly, I don't think the players quit at all. Far from it. They did seem frustrated but I think it was more that what has worked well against other much taller teams was not working against Irvine. Irvine had quicker guards and taking gambles just didn't pay off this time where that's been their strength all season long. In addition, the loose balls and tips and potential steals all fell into the hands of UCI players. I counted 12 points that UCI got in the first half alone on possessions where the Titans seemingly had the ball off a turnover or loose ball, only to have the ball go to an Anteater. Yes, Irving still had to make the shots, but I think this was a big contributing factor to their frustration, much more so than not having confidence in Andy.

And I will say this, if Andy does not get the job then we are in a world of hurt whoever is our next coach. Bob Burton and Andy Newman are the only coaches who have figured out how to win at this school and you do it by getting good-to-great players. And you get those players from DI bounce-backs and running a system that attracks those bounce-backs, which is a fast-paced game. (BTW, If we don't get any good ones this semester, you can thank the "interim" tag for that one. I already know we lost at least one great one because of that.)

Every other coach who would come in here would bring in an entirely different offense and recruiting philosophy and I guarantee you it will not work unless it is the exact same one that we have had for the last 10+ years. Guaranteed. Easiest prediction I have every made. Bank on it. Save this post if you'd like, but in 3-5 years, we would be back in the cellar of the Big West. Only caveat is if we actually get the administrative support plus lay the groundwork for a new arena.
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Posted: 01/19/2013 9:53 AM

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Right off the bat I agree that, if not Andy, any new coach would be in a world of hurt.  Regarding the interim tag, perhaps it is also hurting with in-game respect from the current players.

Regarding the style of play, it will only work if we continue to get the hot shot guards that we have had over the last 10 years or so.  And, even if we do, it won't get us past a first round tournament slot.  I know it sounds ridiculous, but one day a team from the Big West will advance in the tournament, and that team will have to have the height that Irvine has now and has recruited for next year.

I have to admit though, I love our run and gun style!

Last edited 01/19/2013 9:53 AM by SoCalTitanJ

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Posted: 01/19/2013 10:41 AM

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I predict that hell will freeze over before a team from the current BW advances past the first round of the NCAA tourney.
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