Free Trial Ad
Why Subscribe?
  • Player/Prospect News
  • Exclusive Insider Info
  • Members-Only Forums
  • Exclusive Videos
  • Subscribe Now!
InboxChat RoomChat Room (0 fans in chatroom)
Reply to TopicPost New Topic
  Page of 2  Next >

Bakersfield Game Thread

Posted: 12/06/2012 11:45 AM

Bakersfield Game Thread 


CSF Release: http://www.fullertontitans.com/sports/m-baskbl/201 2-13/releases/201212066co369

Disheartening that there is no mention of the status of Marquis Horne. Not even a mention that he missed the last game!

He is/was a starter, is important to the team and should get a little respect. Disappointing is putting it mildly, but is par for the course at Cal State Fullerton. Hope the new AD come in and shakes things up a bit.

Bake Release Not available but here is there website: http://www.gorunners.com/SportSelect.dbml?&DB_ OEM_ID=13300&SPID=6324&SPSID=58095
Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/06/2012 2:33 PM

Re: Bakersfield Game Thread 


There is a new trend among coaches to not list player injuries.  Mora and Kiffin have both increasingly refused to comment or have their SID's list.  I have no idea if this is the case or not, but obviously a Fullerton SID guy was in Seattle.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/06/2012 5:57 PM

Re: Bakersfield Game Thread 


Not buying it.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/06/2012 6:42 PM

Re: Bakersfield Game Thread 


The Runners two top point guards are out (one to surgery the other to dislocated ankle) They have had to move some people around and have a forward playing that spot now backed up by a freshman.
  CSUB has also been rather cold shooting from the field so far this year.

Last edited 12/06/2012 6:46 PM by RunnerBall

Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/06/2012 9:03 PM

Re: Bakersfield Game Thread Post Rating (1 vote)




---------------------------------------------
--- RunnerBall wrote:

The Runners two top point guards are out (one to surgery the other to dislocated ankle) They have had to move some people around and have a forward playing that spot now backed up by a freshman.
  CSUB has also been rather cold shooting from the field so far this year.

---------------------------------------------

OK, the Titans and the BW officially suck.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/06/2012 9:08 PM

Re: Bakersfield Game Thread 


wow!!!! this second half sh%^&*t is a bit disturbing,,. I'm really at a loss!! going to bed good f-in night

Last edited 12/06/2012 9:10 PM by ATFtitus

Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/06/2012 10:12 PM

Re: Bakersfield Game Thread 


I was not impressed by any one player tonight.  They seemed businesslike, but not driven.  Noone had a standout game.  Douglas was terrible.  Coach did very little coaching.  Sammy played with his hands in his pocket once he got his fourth foul, and Bakersfield went straight to the paint for most every basket the last 10 minutes or so.  Depressing game.

Last edited 12/06/2012 11:05 PM by SoCalTitanJ

Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/06/2012 11:14 PM

Noted 


from the 5:24 mark to the :16 mark we went scoreless and only took three shots during those 5+ minutes.  How the heck did that happen???
Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/06/2012 11:15 PM

Noted 


From the 5:24 mark to the :16 mark we went scoreless and only took three shots during those 5+ minutes.

How the heck did that happen???banghead

Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/07/2012 1:17 AM

RE: Noted 


Turn overs, fouls and not rebounding.
We saw players including seniors dribbling too much, in the 1st half when the players passed the ball around the perimeter, CSUB was chasing the ball, in the second half, we started to dribble more and right into their big men and #20.
from a 14 point lead we got outscored in the 2nd by 16.
also, we have to finish at the basket... to many shots missed the rim or rolled off the rim.

very frustrating game.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/07/2012 6:55 AM

Re: Bakersfield Game Thread 


Hate to say it but have to give Bakersfield credit as they had the better team, to a man, last night. Their main superstar, Stephon Carter, came through when it mattered most while our big guns couldn't shoot a bullet, with one of them not even in the game down the stretch. Bake was the quicker team, which was surprising, and they certainly played much better defense.

Titans were lethargic and either looked really confused, or decided to take the air out of the ball in the second half.  Either way, the second half doldrums continue and not sure what you can change at this point. We need more options and we simply don't have them.

Bake was very well coached and had a great game plan and came in prepared. They played hard and really wanted it, our team, not so much. Yes, they had a slight height advantage but not 19 offensive rebounds worth, nor 47-31 in total rebounds.

And to make matters worse, our starting "big" is out 4 weeks, according to a media person, due to an MCL sprain, so reports by the Pac-12 commentators were correct. I can verify he was limping pretty badly but was not on crutches.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/07/2012 8:01 AM

Re: Bakersfield Game Thread Post Rating (2 votes)


What I saw last night: Rebounds killed us. We shot too many threes. Almost 50% of our shoot total were threes. When we were in the bonus instead of going to the basket we shot jumpshots. We switched on every ball screen and they exploited that. Deuce out on an island by himself against a point guard is something I would not do. I was surprised that he did not get any help on the last drive being that Bakersfield shot worst then we did from three. Lastly the offensive rebound that they got off the missed freethrow. I know we did not have any time outs but I would have had Deuce on the floor in that situation.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/07/2012 8:25 AM

Re: Bakersfield Game Thread Post Rating (2 votes)



jjohnson111 wrote: We shot too many threes. Almost 50% of our shoot total were threes. When we were in the bonus instead of going to the basket we shot jumpshots.
Might be true but our other options just aren't there. Seems like every time we try to go inside we turn it over, especially in crunch time. Last year, DJ Seeley was much better attacking the basket, this year something is wrong.

I also think we need to give Jordan Knox some of Douglas' minutes as we need to try to work another player into the fold... and Douglas just isn't cutting it at this point.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/07/2012 8:48 AM

OC Register Story 


Wow, didn't know they were still covering us.

Link: http://www.ocregister.com/sports/titans-379940-bak ersfield-fullerton.html

The parts worth reading:

"I think our guys stopped playing together, stopped playing defense," Fullerton interim coach Andy Newman said.

Newman said there were few positives in the close loss.

"Maybe they could change the rules and make the games only 29 minutes long. That would be a positive," he said. "It's hard to find a positive after giving up a 14-point lead."

Fullerton's downfall started when the Roadrunners opened the second half with a 13-4 run to trim that 14-point halftime deficit to 54-51. Newman called for the Titans to abandon their high-energy offense, but that didn't help them much. Bakersfield (2-5) repeatedly shut down the middle, forcing the Titans to shoot from outside. Fullerton made just 9 of 27 3-pointers and shot 38.2 percent from the field overall.

"It's hard to run when you're getting scored on all the time," Newman said. "We tried to slow the game down and make it possession-by-possession, so we could rebound the ball a little more instead of get it and go.

"They out-toughed us tonight."
Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/07/2012 8:53 AM

Re: Bakersfield Game Thread 


Guys, it's time to realize the TRUUUTH - we don't have enough good players. Our big 3 get tired in the second half, and we have no other options. Our predicted depth went out the window with Nelson's injury, Williams red shirting, Underwood quitting, Harris being forced to play forward, and Brandon having to learn how to play at this level. Marquis, Duece, Douglas, Collins, and Knox are not D1 players. That being said, not sure what Andy should do - these guys came here to play his style of game, we have no post players so we can't play a normal half court offense.
Looks like more of the same, still should win more than we lose on e we get into BW.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/07/2012 9:24 AM

Re: OC Register Story Post Rating (2 votes)


"Newman called for the Titans to abandon their high-energy offense..."

I'd like to hear that Coach Newman says to the players before the next game "Do not take the lead in this game.  Match the other team point to point, but don't get out front.  Start the second half tied, or maybe even one or two points behind.  In the second half, go all out and go for the win."

When we play well in the first half, the other team/coaches adjust their strategy and capitlaize on our weaknesses.  We reveal too much and don't have anything to keep the other team off balance mentally -- and basketball IS such a mental game.  Plus, we do not seem to have the stamina to go all out for both halfs (halves?) and fatigue seems to be a definate factor.  If we played a more controlled game in the first half, and with fewer fouls, we would have more in reserve.  Right now, we give it all up early and have nothing left way too soon.

Last edited 12/07/2012 9:26 AM by titanhoopster

Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/07/2012 9:48 AM

RE: Bakersfield Game Thread 


We forced shots, threw bad passes and never got to the hoop. Way too many one pass or no pass shots. You can still run and play with discipline. Guards can post up too. How short was their PG?

Pick and roll at the end of game, they had nobody in the lane....

Plus, playing help D has nothing to do with talent.

Last edited 12/07/2012 9:50 AM by titanjim

Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/07/2012 9:50 AM

Re: OC Register Story Post Rating (1 vote)


Sorry, but we don't have the talent or size to play a control game. All our players, 3, are slashers and three point shooters. We can't play a normal inside out game because we have no inside game. The games I've seen where we lose our lead is the same reason we lost last night, we try to play not to lose by making it a possession by possession game, and panic when we get behind.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/07/2012 9:54 AM

Re: OC Register Story Post Rating (1 vote)


Sorry, not buying the fatigue/stamina thing. We were fine last year playing mostly 7 or 8 guys. We had five guys averaging nearly 30 minutes a game for the entire year. This year's numbers aren't very different, less minutes thus far. And no one, other than maybe Duece, ever look winded from what I am seeing.

And we don't reveal too much by taking a lead, that just crazy talk.

Our strength, since Burton took the helm, has always been to run, run and run some more. Can't take that away and expect to win anything. You play to your strengths and don't look back. Ever.

Rebound -- that includes blocking your man out -- and play better defense. It's pretty simple. Our best rebounder is 6-0 Alex Harris so it's much more than just height. Scott Cutley was 6-3 and couldn't jump, and he has to be one of our all-time best rebounders. So it's also more than just athletic ability. You have to want it more than the other guy and that's probably something you can't teach.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/07/2012 10:20 AM

"Do not take the lead in this game" Post Rating (2 votes)


I just laugh imagining any coach ever saying such a thing. disbelief Players would be checking the date or looking for hidden cameras.

Last edited 12/07/2012 10:21 AM by TitanCentral

Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/07/2012 10:28 AM

Re: OC Register Story Post Rating (2 votes)


Memo to Rufus: Those young men are D1 players. Now that is crazy talk. Your Big three were 14-37. Deuce was 2-3 with one turnover. Deuce will never be a double digit scorer on this team. And if he had four more rebounds we would have still lost on the boards. Your basketball knowledge is waaaay over the top. Man up criticize our leaders on this team...Those guys you mentioned were not the reason for this loss.

Last edited 12/07/2012 10:34 AM by jjohnson111

Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/07/2012 10:31 AM

Re: OC Register Story Post Rating (2 votes)


If you show everything you've got in the first half and the other team adjusts and beats you in the second half, that is revealing too much.  Might be a crazy idea, but run, run, run some more and lose...how's that working out?

Last year we were playing 7 or 8 guys who apparently were stronger and had more stamina, I won't disagree with you there!
Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/07/2012 10:40 AM

Re: "Do not take the lead in this game" Post Rating (2 votes)


Coach Newman told the players to "abandon their high-energy offense" -- did they look for hidden cameras then? 

When you are ahead by 12 points, how do you hold on to that lead?  Play defense, keep the ball in play for more than half the time on the shot clock every possession, stop the other team from scoring and stop tossing up airballs and flinging bricks.  If you are ahead by 12, you do not need to score any more points.  You only need to stay ahead by 12 points.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/07/2012 10:56 AM

RE: Bakersfield Game Thread Post Rating (1 vote)


Our offense efficiency was beyond bad, has nothing to do with running or not running.

We sucked.

Still should have been able to outscore them. How do you propose we stop the other team with a 6'3" and under squad and little inside presence to stop the opposition?
Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/07/2012 10:56 AM

Re: "Do not take the lead in this game" Post Rating (1 vote)


You guys just don't get it!  This is not a team built to hold leads, we have no inside game.  We must score off our defense, play up tempo, and shoot the three.  The players we have were recruited for this, not a half court offense and defense; they must shoot in off the dribble or off the first pass, not after passing the ball around for 25 seconds.  We can't work it inside because our "bigs" have no hands or hops, and must put the ball on the floor before they can shoot it.

We outscore teams in the first half, then play to not lose by abandoning our high energy offense.  Put your foot on the opponents necks and blow them out, they aren't conditioned to play hard for 40 minutes - don't let them back in by slowing down.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/07/2012 11:06 AM

RE: Bakersfield Game Thread Post Rating (2 votes)


Titan Jim. I don't know what disapoints me more, the way we have lost games or rhetoric that this style of play equates to winning basketball. 27 of our 54 shots were threes and we shot 33% from the arc. My best friend who is a father of a UCLA assistant was with me for this game and the Stanford game and he said the same thing we said.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/07/2012 11:06 AM

Re: "Do not take the lead in this game" Post Rating (1 vote)



Rufus wrote: You guys just don't get it!  This is not a team built to hold leads, we have no inside game.  We must score off our defense, play up tempo, and shoot the three.  The players we have were recruited for this, not a half court offense and defense; they must shoot in off the dribble or off the first pass, not after passing the ball around for 25 seconds.  We can't work it inside because our "bigs" have no hands or hops, and must put the ball on the floor before they can shoot it.

We outscore teams in the first half, then play to not lose by abandoning our high energy offense.  Put your foot on the opponents necks and blow them out, they aren't conditioned to play hard for 40 minutes - don't let them back in by slowing down.
Scoring off our defense, playing up tempo and shooting the three has resulted in a loss to Nevada, a narrow win (despite being outscored 45 to 52 in the second half) against Green Bay, a loss to EWU, a loss to UW and a loss to Bakersfield.  If you want to keep doing what you have been doing, you will keep getting what you have been getting.

Last edited 12/07/2012 11:44 AM by titanhoopster

Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/07/2012 11:16 AM

Re: "Do not take the lead in this game" Post Rating (3 votes)


We don't have a insde game because we don't go inside. My son is shooting 62% from the field, 77% from the line and less then one turnover a game. You do not know much about basketball but you are a master at magnifying the minor thing but not have the balls to notice the elephant in the room...
Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/07/2012 11:27 AM

Re: "Do not take the lead in this game" Post Rating (3 votes)


Titanhoopster. Rufus does not understand...
Reply | Quote

Posted: 12/07/2012 11:31 AM

RE: Bakersfield Game Thread Post Rating (1 vote)


I agree, Mr. Johnson. Anyone can post up, guards too.

DJ posted up and hooked up Brandon cutting through the lane. Nice play. I don't remember another post up sequence.

My argument is that its not the style of play but the decision making within the framework. We can still run and get good shots, and not run and get good shots. Last night in the second half, we got neither.

I am surprised you haven't mentioned the pick and roll sequences....
Reply | Quote
Reply to TopicPost New Topic
  Page of 2  Next >