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All-Time DePaul teams (2008 Edition)

Posted: 2/1/2008 9:20 PM

All-Time DePaul teams (2008 Edition) 


What the hell, we do this every year but I think the second, third and fourth teams need to be revised. I do this by position.

1st Team

F- Mark Aguirre
F-Terry Cummings
C-George Mikan
G-Gary Garland
G-Rod Strickland

2nd Team

F-David Booth
F-Tyrone Corbin
C-Dave Corzine
G-Tom Kleinschmidt
G-Clyde Bradshaw

3rd Team

F-Quentin Richardson
F-Stephen Howard
C-Dallas Comegys
G-Drake Diener
G-Kenny Patterson

4th Team

F-Bill Robinzine
F-Stanley Brundy
C-Steve Hunter
G-Kevin Edwards
G-Howard Nathan
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Posted: 2/1/2008 9:26 PM

Re: All-Time DePaul teams (2008 Edition) 


I can't be critical because I can't think of who I would replace him with but Steve Hunter really irked me.  It just seemed he never gave a sht...or tried.
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Posted: 2/1/2008 9:30 PM

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I'll buy that but the same reason you can't think of a better 4th team center is the reason he's there. Bryant Bowden? Dick Triptow? Andre Brown? Walter Downing?

Slim Pickens. Maybe our own Marty Embry would be a decent call.

Hunter's 20 and 10 performance at Duke and the fact he was a first round pick in the NBA gives him the edge here.

 

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Posted: 2/1/2008 9:47 PM

Actually you know who you could make a case for is.... 


...  Lemone Lampley.
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Posted: 2/1/2008 9:50 PM

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Yea...certainly none of those guys. 


Could have/Should have been Wesley Green - but he unfortunately he falls into the Walter (big disappointment) Downing category
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Posted: 2/1/2008 10:02 PM

Re: All-Time DePaul teams (2008 Edition) 


James Hamby!

 

 

....kidding

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Posted: 2/2/2008 2:33 PM

In the spirit of Joe Lunardi... 


Rising over the past 10 years:

Tom Kleinschmidt
Drake Diener

Falling:

Quentin Richardson

Last five out out:

Sammy Mejia
Terrence Greene
Tony Jackson
Bobby Simmons
Curtis Watkins
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Posted: 2/2/2008 3:02 PM

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Ahh the memories.  When times were fun.

 

I was thinking maybe Terry Davis as one of the last 5 out.  But, if I recall he had a really bad senior year.....when I believe he was counted on to be the leader.  I think he mysteriously lost his shot that year.  I may be wrong.  All of the recent disappointment has clouded my memories.

Maybe Sam Hoskin too?  But, he was only with us 2 years and his Junior Year wasn't that great.  I loved how hard he worked in his Sr. Year tho.

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Posted: 2/2/2008 3:11 PM

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Sam,

Can't gripe with 4 of the 5 1st teamers but you could get alot of disagreement on Garland...I would personally pick Kleinschmidt because of his GMW Player of Year award.

Dave
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Posted: 2/2/2008 3:24 PM

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Gary Garland was MVP of the West Regional taking us to the Final Four in 1979 and along with Corzine took us to the final eight in 1978. If we had any bench in the Final Four game against Bird, Garland would have led us to a win and changed the course of college basketball. Garland nailed jumper after jumper in the first half but his legs finally gave out in the second half after a long tourney run.

I love Kleinschmidt but he can't touch that resume. Garland scored as much as TK and is also one of the best defensive guards in the history of college basketball. If they kept stats for steals his first two years he may be college basketball's all-time steals leader-- til this day.

Gary Garland was a bitch on both ends of the floor and would have had a long career in the NBA if not for personal issues.

He's also Whitney Houston's brother. Kleinschmidt's sister can't sing a lick.

Seriously, having Garland on the first-team in a no-brainer for me. But hey, you can put TK on your first-team and I wouldn't scream bloody murder.

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Posted: 2/2/2008 3:55 PM

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And, in the final comparison, Garland, "The Music Man", could sing the National Anthem. TK can't carry a note.
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Posted: 2/2/2008 9:26 PM

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I'd have a lot of guards ahead of Diener. Edwards, Randolph, Dillard, even McPpherson just to name a few.

I thought Stephen Howard sucked but it's hard not to like him and at least he could make free throws. I'd put Kevin Holmes, Brundy, Andre Brown, Quemont Greer, and others way ahead of him. I always thought he should have been on the bench on all those teams he was on.

I agree on Garland as well. I don't even see an argument there for TK. TK played absolutely no defense.
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Posted: 2/2/2008 9:38 PM

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dude are u kidding right now? stephen howard sucked? he should of been on the bench most of the time? you are out of your mind,are you sure your thinking of the right person? got news for you bud howard was one of the best depaul players of the last 20 years. he got drafted for crying out loud and played in the nba. you have to be kidding right? check the record books you will see his name everywhere. here are his stats for his his froshman year he avg. 7.5pts per game. his sophmore season he avg. 14.4 pts a game....his jun. year he avg. 15.3 pts. a game and his last year he avg.17.1 pts. a game. were did he suck during that time?

Get Your Popcorn Ready......Go Blue Demons.

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Posted: 2/2/2008 10:32 PM

You clearly didn't watch Diener enough... 


Randolph was a forward... Dillard was great but usually the third or fourth option on his teams. Edwards was obviously a better pro but compare what Diener did in four years to what Edwards did in two. NCAA game against Dayton-- Diener scored 28 including 10-10 from the line-- most in OT and double OT. Edwards went 3-18 against KSU in the 1988 NCAA's. Diener's four year performance was more impressive than Edward's two-- despite what happened after college. Also, pop in the Missouri game in the NIT of Diener's senior year.

McPherson over Diener. Please.

But again, just opinions. except McPherson-- not even close.

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Posted: 2/3/2008 11:22 PM

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Great list!  Agree w/everything except Hunter (like the earlier caller stated) as he gave us NOTHING other than that one Duke game.  What a waste of 7'2" at DPU considering where he ended up........... put Embry in or anyone else.  If Howie Nathan had not gone amiss, he would have elevated himself to 2nd Team - the kid was that good.  He walked on the Atlanta Hawks, what a talent.  Too bad.  I don't think Q is falling, he's right where he should be at 3rd team....the other 4 Forwards were stars - still shocked Booth didn't make the league (I know he was skinny, but he could fill it up w/the best of them)....just a bad time to try to make it - if he was around today, he'd have an NBA career.  Hell, Jared Jeffries does.
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Posted: 2/4/2008 1:17 PM

Thanks for the comments.. clarification on Q... 


What I mean by 'falling' is as the years have gone by I've dropped him to the third team. When I first did this before the 1999-00 season I think I had Q on the first team. He was a freshman 1st team all-american, the college basketball pre-season player of the year and on the cover of ESPN the Mag. He was coming off a monster season and expected by many (CNN-SI) to take us to the Final Four. All those accolades, performance and potential had me thinking this guy was/is one of the top five players in school history.

The rest of course is history, and as the years go by, I've become less and less enamored about what Q did during his two years here.

I think third team is about right.

As for Hunter, let's have Marty decide!!!

Ask yourself this though if you had one game, who would want at center? Steve Hunter or the other choices? I might take Hunter on the hopes he'd have a Duke-type game.
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Posted: 2/4/2008 3:52 PM

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IMO, Mejia shouldn't be on this list.

I would have Bobby Simmons at the top of the Last five out list.

Any takers for Delonte Holland?
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Posted: 2/4/2008 4:20 PM

There certainly is a "Mejia conundrum" 


There were two factors that got him on that last list. First, his numbers over four years are among the best in school history. I think the only player that filled up the career stat sheet more than Mejia is Kleinschmidt and Sammy may have been even better than TK. That J, has to count for something when you talk about all-time greats.

Now, I hear you about Sammy's disappearing acts and poor leadership which is why a guy with those kind of career numbers can't even find his way onto the fourth team. I basically threw him on the honorable mention list because of the numbers.

Also, let's not forget the job he did running the point as a freshman on a team that went to the second round of the NCAA's... and... his performances in some marquee wins like Kansas last year.

BTW-- that last five list is in no particular order. And J, the same valid criticisms of Mejia were also uttered about Simmons.

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Posted: 2/4/2008 4:24 PM

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Mejia did have his moments in terms of #'s but I would rather forget about him ASAP.


I don't recall Simmons ever being a turd like Mejia was most of the time.
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Posted: 2/4/2008 4:40 PM

Simmons last team finished 12-18. 


Any NBA player who let's his team finish 12-18 (with another NBA first round pick on the roster) in Conference USA must have played like a turd at some point.

For the record I didn't like Mejia either.
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