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- DemonLS
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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:58 AM
OP....Go Out Today and Recruit Better Players
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Posted: 2/6/2013 7:51 AM
RE: OP....Go Out Today and Recruit Better Players
Completely agree, but that is much easier said than done.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 9:32 AM
when was the last time
DePaul had a tough physical big man?
Kirk is a tiny upgrade over Faber
Like many, I'm tired of the finesse guys who shy away from contact and are afraid to put a body on someone. And I include Melvin in that category. Need someone who isn't afraid to mix it up inside and to draw some fouls, someone who can send a message on defense and intimidate.
I thought this was the post of the day yesterday from tcejt:
OP shouldn't be pressing with this weak back line , KIRK , ROBERTON , CLEMONS. All as long they were in man to man in the 1st half the game was close. Did you hear the anylst said DP had one foul in the last game , non aggressive. I don't know how many they had in this game.
They shy away from the body contact and the other team looks for it . Very soft team! This team lack a Cumming , Big Mac , Brown type player . A player that claims the painted / lane or at least battles in there.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 9:48 AM
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And what changes next year ? Where is this big ? Does anyone really believe this staff can recruit well enough to change this mess?
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Posted: 2/6/2013 11:12 AM
This team is so woefully coached defensively...
... it's nothing short of embarrassing.
Reason being, in my estimation, is that Purnell spends so much practice time on that worthless press that our players are not schooled in the fundamentals of proper man to man defense. More importantly, the proper heart and desire to stop people is not properly instilled in our players.
Stopping people is about x's and o's but it's also about will and want-to. That will is built up and cultivated on the practice floor at 7am in October - not the pregame lockerroom or the day before a game walk-through. It's an attitude - an attitude clearly not part of DePaul players DNA.
We're not talented enough to half-ass it on defense and that press succeeds in only one area - giving up lay-ups and dunks to every opponent not named ASU.
Now to make it worse, it appears our players have given up. I've never seen a team lose so many 50-50 balls. DePaul showed 'glimpses' of effort against St. John's and ND but from what I've seen the past few seasons, Melvin and Young should be ashamed at how many balls they don't get to.
These kids, this program just doesn't want it. The arena is a joke. The fan base has all but deteriorated and Purnell has done nothing, NOTHING to fix it. If he hasn't done it by now, it's not happening. Not in year four or year five or year six. To think otherwise is delusional. The system doesn't work and difference makers on the recruiting trail are nonexistent, save the assistant coach's so of course.
DePaul has just crippled itself with the Purnell contract.
Hope to St. Vincent there's a buyout clause.
How many people were there last night? 500?
Last edited 2/6/2013 11:36 AM by SamManella
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- Peteey
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Posted: 2/6/2013 11:49 AM
Re: This team is so woefully coached defensively...
SamManella wrote: ... it's nothing short of embarrassing.
Reason being, in my estimation, is that Purnell spends so much practice time on that worthless press that our players are not schooled in the fundamentals of proper man to man defense. More importantly, the proper heart and desire to stop people is not properly instilled in our players.
Stopping people is about x's and o's but it's also about will and want-to. That will is built up and cultivated on the practice floor at 7am in October - not the pregame lockerroom or the day before a game walk-through. It's an attitude - an attitude clearly not part of DePaul players DNA.
We're not talented enough to half-ass it on defense and that press succeeds in only one area - giving up lay-ups and dunks to every opponent not named ASU.
Now to make it worse, it appears our players have given up. I've never seen a team lose so many 50-50 balls. DePaul showed 'glimpses' of effort against St. John's and ND but from what I've seen the past few seasons, Melvin and Young should be ashamed at how many balls they don't get to.
These kids, this program just doesn't want it. The arena is a joke. The fan base has all but deteriorated and Purnell has done nothing, NOTHING to fix it. If he hasn't done it by now, it's not happening. Not in year four or year five or year six. To think otherwise is delusional. The system doesn't work and difference makers on the recruiting trail are nonexistent, save the assistant coach's so of course.
DePaul has just crippled itself with the Purnell contract.
Hope to St. Vincent there's a buyout clause.
How many people were there last night? 500? According to ESPN attendance was 7,602. Jeannie must have to buy a shyt ton of tickets to make this figures happen, and not just this game, every home game. It's like DP is fooling themselves and the BE/C7 into thinking they are a relevant.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 12:03 PM
Re: This team is so woefully coached defensively...
Cut the arena bashing. Were you at the ND game or not?
Put a winning product on the floor and you will regain the fans and students.
Please....can we just try to put a winning team out there first? Just give it a try. If we do and NO ONE shows up, then the arena is the problem.
This will require a more high profile coach to change the culture.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 12:13 PM
Re: This team is so woefully coached defensively...
The Arena is a joke. It's empty.
Fine, change the word to 'environment'.
I'm not talking about the walls and seats.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 12:29 PM
Re: This team is so woefully coached defensively...
I agree this is pathetic and OP has to go. Find a way to buy him out if necessary.When they hired him I thought it would be a good hire. I was wrong he has been a big dissapointment. Players look like they have quit and no fundamentals on defense or offense.
Last edited 2/6/2013 7:22 PM by DANDYEDWARD
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Posted: 2/6/2013 12:31 PM
NOTHING Will Change Until
the Board, the President, the AD and the coach are jettisoned...I've thrown in the towel thinking that this program has any chance of survival. There is ZERO will to be a real contender until everyone is replaced with people who actually give a rats ass about winning rather than competing. Last night I threw the white towel. My trench has been overrun. and BTW Sam - OP is very similar to any person with a compulsive personality. His "press" is intoxicating to him. He can't break from it no matter how hard he tries. I expected some press from him l;ast night because Nova is sloppy with the ball as seen in alot of their games this season, but when he did utilize it in the first half (which is all I watched), we we're getting killed and I was shocked to see the final score. Like I said...it's his own compulsion that destroys him. It's amazing to me that we find ourselves in the same position as we were during the final years of horseface. Nothing will change because the leadership does not give a **** about winning. Change the leadership and MAYBE things change, but what will remain constant is the DePaul University mission. We're better off dropping basketball than putting fans and players through this BS. No kid wants to come here because no kid has the balls to be Mark Aguirre etc., not in this day and age. Trailblazers are done...they care about their one year and then collecting the NBA check and going on cruise control "we're talking about practice" SamManella wrote: ... it's nothing short of embarrassing.
Reason being, in my estimation, is that Purnell spends so much practice time on that worthless press that our players are not schooled in the fundamentals of proper man to man defense. More importantly, the proper heart and desire to stop people is not properly instilled in our players.
Stopping people is about x's and o's but it's also about will and want-to. That will is built up and cultivated on the practice floor at 7am in October - not the pregame lockerroom or the day before a game walk-through. It's an attitude - an attitude clearly not part of DePaul players DNA.
We're not talented dunks to every opponent not named ASU.
Now to make it worse, it appears our players have given up. I've never seen a team lose so many 50-50 balls. DePaul showed 'glimpses' of effort against St. John's and ND but from what I've seen the past few seasons, Melvin and Young should be ashamed at how many balls they don't get to.
These kids, this program just doesn't want it. The arena is a joke. The fan base has all but deteriorated and Purnell has done nothing, NOTHING to fix it. If he hasn't done it by now, it's not happening. Not in year four or year five or year six. To think otherwise is delusional. The system doesn't work and difference makers on the recruiting trail are nonexistent, save the assistant coach's so of course.
DePaul has just crippled itself with the Purnell contract.
Hope to St. Vincent there's a buyout clause.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 12:39 PM
RE: OP....Go Out Today and Recruit Better Players
There is nothing wrong with the arena in my opinion if the campus was in Rosemont but it is in Chicago. Why do some kids want to go to college? To get the whole college atmosphere like parties etc... Great basketball players want to play in a great environment at home which means playing on campus. They want to walk to their game not make a road trip to play a home game. Yes it is easier to make a trip up to Rosemont when they are good or playing a rival but the environment should be that way game after game and not made by an opponent busing in a lot of people.
It is a lot easier to maintain momentum by playing at Rosemont but it is a lot harder to start it up. DePaul moved there when they were a top 5 program. The Diener team got the fans back but it took special people/players to commit to the school and a coach that stressed defense to make it happen. Big time Chicago talent are obviously not as special/loyal these days as they want to get out of the city now and play at places that have an on campus arena.
Sorry just my opinion
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Posted: 2/6/2013 1:25 PM
Re: OP....Go Out Today and Recruit Better Players
Great players don't want to play on teams that lose 18-20 games each year.
This program is a disaster. And nothing in the immediate future is going to change that.
We need an entirely new regime running things (AD, coaching staff).
Aside from the Q team for one year (which begged a middling Kansas team to take a first round NCAA game from them) and one or two years under Leitao, the program has been in shambles for the last 20 years.
1978 to 1992: 13 NCAAs, 2 NITs
1993 to 2012: 2 NCAAs, 6 NITs
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Posted: 2/6/2013 2:06 PM
Re: NOTHING Will Change Until
Aguirre joined a team that was the elite eight the year prior.
It's not like he took this historic leap of faith that many were hoping Jabari Parker would.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 3:53 PM
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Poor basketball IQ, no fundamentals and no discipline on the court.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 4:33 PM
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A lot of people are saying recruit better players.Yes, recruiting better players would help, but about developing players.Pitt is a good program that doesn't sign top 10 guys,but they are a good program.Good coaches make a bad player average, average player good and good player great.
Some of the guys on the roster should have not been at DePaul from day one, but at least develop them into decent role players. The players that are able to compete at the BE level has not really gotten any better.Their skill set is sorely lacking and physically they are not impressive either.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 5:32 PM
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How many player(s) Oliver sent to the NBA in his 20 plus years as a coach ? That's why top recruits don't want to come here, he can't develop them.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:36 PM
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mush1745 wrote:How many player(s) Oliver sent to the NBA in his 20 plus years as a coach ? That's why top recruits don't want to come here, he can't develop them. Mush, sadly I have to agree with you. When I look at guys like Melvin I believe he was a better player as a freshman than he is as a Jr. because as a freshman he played defense. I could give many other examples of current players that are either regressing or progressing at a very slow pace. I think Brad Stevens is the best coach in college basketball at developing players. I have seen his teams in the early part of the year and they look like a 100% better team by the end of the year.  |
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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:52 PM
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You can win games without being a team full on NBA players.A dream for DePaul basketball to me is to win 18-25 games per year.Finish top 9 of BE or top 4/5 of the C7. Get to the tourney and maybe win a game or two.
There are a lot of programs that don't have first round or even NBA talent for that matter, but they play as a team with defined roles and they win. How many first rounders or top recruits are on Wichita St, Oregon,Creighton, Butler,Ole Miss,Minnesota.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 7:50 PM
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We had an 0-18 year in conference and NOTHING CHANGED. Oh I'm sorry, we traded 4 incompetent assistants for 3 and Webster. I have no hope of any changes in the foreseeable future.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 9:51 PM
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At least I'm no longer alone in saying "the fish stinks from the head".
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