They both are clearly more effective, but I think some of it has to do with us having more depth -- we were so shorthanded and winded last year that CMK couldnt always stick with his man. He has always been an intense defender, saw that as early as the games in France. What he showed yesterday was a nice shooting touch and no turnovers.  That might just be a function of the competition but who knows.

And speaking of "wildman" on defense, Auburn didn't make us pay for overplay on defense. Often when we gamble going for a steal and miss, we are so far out of position that an easy layup or uncontested three materializes.  That drives me nuts.

ChiTownBaller wrote: Well then be more succinct in your praise, all I can do is interpret the ambiguity in which you write the post

the injury to Jamee was most likely the best thing to happen to CMcK. I've now watched the last two games and he is far and away the one kid I've liked the most because he plays the game at full speed and he utilizes his length on the defensive end. Who's the last kid we've had like Charles? He obviously still has some flaws, but I do agree with Bubba that he plays like he belongs and now that I've seen him a couple times I do believe he's the most improved. Sullivan had maybe 22 points at half if I'm not mistaken and thats when OP then moved CMcK on him and he finished the 28...you don't need to do the math to see that the game changed for Sullivan and he was frustrated. Last year I thought Jamee and CMcK were going to be floor burners...well I was right on one of them and Charles has certainly shown a penchant for bringing some intangibles to the game the team lacks in general

On Robertsen I have to say I'm very unimpressed so far. I like him, but despite the muscle gain he seems robtoic out there and just a step slow on both offense and defense. His feel for the game is lacking and I only believe that will come with pt which he will get plenty of going forward...so come back to this discussion come march

Personally, the guy who should be in the discussion with CMcK is Clahar. He's played like a senior last night and without him we lose. The sample size I've seen for two games has been a player that has learned the speed of the game over the last year. He is not a starter by any stretch, but he is a very trustworthy backup.

Ktrem11 wrote:

ChiTownBaller wrote: Well then be more succinct in your praise, all I can do is interpret the ambiguity in which you write the post

Emphasis mine, as that's one of the more ridiculous things I've ever read on this board.

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McKinney reminds me of a Michael Cooper (played for the LA Lakers in the late 80's early 90's for the younger people).   I also could see McKinney being a really good DB in football.  If I remember correctly Terrence Greene was given a try-out by a pro football team. 

While I agree that McKinny and Robertson seem to be improving (although Robertson  - like most of our team needs to quit making stupid fouls), Clahar played very ell last night and the way we need him to.  More than points he blocked a shot worked on D and DID NOT Turn the ball over ( I think he had one TO). Thats what we need him to do! Great job!

McDonald is interesting.  Looked like he has a nice stroke from three.  Looks quick.  Had WAY TO Many TOs (4)  he needs to value the ball but he played a lot of minutes and just seems that if he is coached up, could be a nice player.

BIGBUBBATHEBLUEDEMON wrote: IMO are the to biggest surprises so far this season. Not to many people had high hopes for Robertson but this kid is getting better by the game. McKinny? The kid flat out gets after it and can play at this level. Both have work t do. But these guys are two players that were frowned upon because of there recruiting ranking and both are turning in to very nice players in this system. Anybody else agree? Thoughts?

mrap24 wrote: both are improving but i think CMK is farther along than DR.  DR has some moments but i still think he needs to do more to become a factor in games.  CMK has more of an impact of the games.  DR, to me is still a work in progress. but that is not a bad thing.

06demon wrote:

mrap24 wrote: both are improving but i think CMK is farther along than DR.  DR has some moments but i still think he needs to do more to become a factor in games.  CMK has more of an impact of the games.  DR, to me is still a work in progress. but that is not a bad thing.

+ 1. Just looking at the numbers doesn't tell the whole tale. If you watch the games it's evident CMK brings a lot to the team. His tenacity apparently rubs off on the rest of the guys. He is a solid role player for us moving forward. I'd love to see his FT% improve as I think this would translate to greater assertiveness on the offensive end. Pertaining to DR, he shows enough flashes to indicate he will become a serviceable big, and I don't see anything that cannot be fixed or improved upon.