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AZ Governor race & Teacher shortage in Public Schools

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Posted: 07/21/2014 4:18 PM

AZ Governor race & Teacher shortage in Public Schools 


So early voting starts I believe next week and I should be getting my ballot.  Problem is who to vote for?   Here are the candidates:

Fred Duval- Democrat
Doug Ducey- Republican
Christine Jones- Republican
Scott Smith-Republican
Ken Bennett-Republican
Frank Riggs-Republican
Andrew Thomas- Tea Party-Republican

Well I am not voting for Andrew Thomas and not because he is Tea Party but because of all the illegal crap he did.
Christine Jones and Doug Ducey are literally the exact same person just one has a vagina.  Both are creepy and have no real plan they just talk about the border without mentioning anything on job growth or reducing taxes.  Both are against common core education and Medicaid expansion.

Scott Smith and Ken Bennett are the so called moderate's even though Bennett was a birther but is not now.  Smith is for Common core and Bennett has not said.  Bennett voted for Medicaid expansion I think with Brewer.  Smith created a lot of jobs in Mesa and was able to work well with Tea Party folks and with Liberals both.  Smith has large LDS support.

I think in the end I am leaning toward Scott Smith


Bear Down on this!!!  41-34 and 58-21 'nuff said

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Posted: 07/21/2014 5:46 PM

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Also a big story today on Ch.12 5pm news about how Arizona has a huge public school teacher shortage because of poor pay and poor funding for public schools.  Now some of this blame is on the greedy teachers union for demanding too much pay in the past for teachers and causing this new backlash the past few years against public school and teachers.  But some of this also goes on the politicians for continuing to not fund our schools properly and ignore public education which something like 85% of all kids go to and instead focusing on charter and private schools.   What can we do to lure more teachers back and keep the new teachers schools like ASU are pumping out?

So far all these governor candidates have said nothing about public education


Bear Down on this!!!  41-34 and 58-21 'nuff said
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Posted: 07/21/2014 6:12 PM

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We home school and it's opened our eyes to dysfunctionality of our public school system.  Spend 1 week in an AZ classroom and you'll quickly understand that it's not about a lack of funding but an apathetic teaching community, combined with an atrocious teacher to student ratio.  Children can't effectively learn when teachers don't care, or when they are burned out trying to teach 30+ kids every day.  And tenure is killing public education.  Where else can you absolutely suck at your job and never for a second feel threatened to lose it? 

Sorry but I have no compassion for a state employee who essentially never has to worry about losing his/her job while receiving 4 months of vacation annually.

And is Andrew Thomas the most myopic human being alive?  How does that POS feel he has a snowball's chance to even compete?

Arizona State Football:  Ranked #15 in all-time winning percentage.  I believe that makes us top 15.

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Posted: 07/21/2014 8:10 PM

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Is it jones who says something like this in her TV spot??
Or is it Ducey?

"..we'll finish the (border)wall and send Obama the bill."

Like either thing might ever happen!

It's so damn retarded, I want to slap her silly!

So this is the focus group method for attracting GOP primary voters.
Sad!
Smith seems like a good choice!  Problem is Jones and Ducey are both very wealthy and are spending a lot of their own money!
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Posted: 07/21/2014 8:44 PM

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What is common core and why are Republicans so against it? 

Scott Smith seems like a reasonable and intelligent person. I will probably vote for him. I just hope if Elon Musk and Tesla is watching these elections we don't screw things up and elect a bunch of whackos like John Kavanaugh again. That will definitely scare them away. 
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Posted: 07/21/2014 8:46 PM

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spayNnueterallCATS wrote: So early voting starts I believe next week and I should be getting my ballot.  Problem is who to vote for?   Here are the candidates:

Fred Duval- Democrat
Doug Ducey- Republican
Christine Jones- Republican
Scott Smith-Republican
Ken Bennett-Republican
Frank Riggs-Republican
Andrew Thomas- Tea Party-Republican

Well I am not voting for Andrew Thomas and not because he is Tea Party but because of all the illegal crap he did.
Christine Jones and Doug Ducey are literally the exact same person just one has a vagina.  Both are creepy and have no real plan they just talk about the border without mentioning anything on job growth or reducing taxes.  Both are against common core education and Medicaid expansion.

Scott Smith and Ken Bennett are the so called moderate's even though Bennett was a birther but is not now.  Smith is for Common core and Bennett has not said.  Bennett voted for Medicaid expansion I think with Brewer.  Smith created a lot of jobs in Mesa and was able to work well with Tea Party folks and with Liberals both.  Smith has large LDS support.

I think in the end I am leaning toward Scott Smith
Me too, brother!
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Posted: 07/22/2014 4:41 AM

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FWIW. I dated a middle school teacher back in 95. She had a Masters (U of Phoenix, Masters Thesis: At risk children) Her take home pay for 2 weeks....$750.00..OUCH. My ASU buddy's (here in the WM's) wife just quit last year, her take home pay was nothing too write home about.
asusundevil23 wrote: We home school and it's opened our eyes to dysfunctionality of our public school system.  Spend 1 week in an AZ classroom and you'll quickly understand that it's not about a lack of funding but an apathetic teaching community, combined with an atrocious teacher to student ratio.  Children can't effectively learn when teachers don't care, or when they are burned out trying to teach 30+ kids every day.  And tenure is killing public education.  Where else can you absolutely suck at your job and never for a second feel threatened to lose it? 

Sorry but I have no compassion for a state employee who essentially never has to worry about losing his/her job while receiving 4 months of vacation annually.

And is Andrew Thomas the most myopic human being alive?  How does that POS feel he has a snowball's chance to even compete?
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Posted: 07/22/2014 5:39 AM

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Why do people think teachers are overpaid? It is one of the most critical jobs in our society. It's an investment that pays forward many many more times than almost any other profession. I have no problem with giving teachers nice salaries and pensions. Typically, if a teacher is going to make a living salary and get any type of pension they must be teaching for a long time 10+ years, if they make it that long (most stop before 5 years) they are pretty dedicated to their craft and probably pretty good at it. We should want to keep these people, and to keep and attract talent, you need to pay them. You would think Republicans of all people would know this. As for their pension, I think it's great they get a pension, how is a teacher, who has a college degree invest anything during their first few years making close to nothing put money away in a 401k when they need to eat, pay rent/mortgage, buy a car, and school supplies for their 30 kids. So the agreement they signed up for is that if you decide to be a public servant and teach our kids, we will take care of you after doing so for 30 years. We almost all have degrees, if this is so easy, why didn't most of us go into this profession? The answer, it isn't easy, and 90% of us couldn't last one year.
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Posted: 07/22/2014 8:00 AM

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There is a good story about Smith in today's republic.

If this guy loses to Jones or Ducey...all hope for the GOP in a Arizona is lost. And you can kiss our economy goodbye.
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Posted: 07/22/2014 8:26 AM

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the42yardline wrote: What is common core and why are Republicans so against it? 

Scott Smith seems like a reasonable and intelligent person. I will probably vote for him. I just hope if Elon Musk and Tesla is watching these elections we don't screw things up and elect a bunch of whackos like John Kavanaugh again. That will definitely scare them away. 
Common core is a way of instituting a broad common curriculum so that we can better measure the performance of students and teachers via standardized tests, etc.   It's basically no child left behind on steroids.  Republicans don't like it because it's an Obama policy, but it's inherently anti-teacher union and is taken out of conservative education reformers' handbooks.

EDIT:  The Obama comment above is unfair.  Actually, some of the curriculum is supposed to a little bit too forward thinking and it's been sloppily executed.  Some of the tests are poorly drafted and don't make sense.  That said, I get the impression that the vehement opposition is not based on the merits of the policy.

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Posted: 07/22/2014 11:00 AM

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The reason I like Smith the most is because he is smart and he has done wonders for Mesa with Job growth and education.  He is pro ASU and also has gotten several other universities to move campuses to Mesa.  He is willing to work with Liberals and he even gets along with the Tea Party mostly anyway.  He knows that many of the promises Jones and Ducey make on TV will never get done and they are in his words just "Ra Ra campaign fluff".  Promise the world even if you cant deliver so long as you get elected is the mantra of Ducey and Jones.  Ducey and Jones are not Tea Party republicans and Spawn can vouch for that but they are trying to make people think they are and hope people don't look at their record which shows they are not because in primaries that's who mainly votes is the party base.  Its why Smith wont win but I will still vote for him.   Frank Riggs is a carpetbagger who was a US Congressman from California and moved here to try to win political office in a more conservative state.  The guy knows nothing about AZ.  

I don't know anything about the democrat Fred Duval so maybe Baal/stew can fill us in on him?


Bear Down on this!!!  41-34 and 58-21 'nuff said
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Posted: 07/22/2014 11:44 AM

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Interesting how the rabble-rousers are not involved in this thread. Not much input when actual ideas and real solutions are being discussed.
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Posted: 07/22/2014 12:32 PM

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Dumb-sounding question, but is the AZ (R) primary open to others, or just (R)s?

 

I'm getting tired of my vote not counting for these races (since Janet N was Gov). Starting to toy with the idea of changing registration and going (yack) red.

 

Is it too late to change and vote (R)?

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Posted: 07/22/2014 12:32 PM

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FWIW . . . I can't vote in the primaries, so . . . But, the only thing I really look at for gubernatorial candidates is education, economic, and social issues.  On the "social" side, I'm really only looking at if the candidate wants to infuse their personal religious philosophy into public policy (denying equal rights, instituting moral legislation, etc).

On education, my background (education) was in developmental psychology and secondary education.  I didn't even complete the secondary education degree (left during the student teaching phase), as I could already see the ineptitude and lack of priority this state had in that regard . . . and this was in '96.  I was making more working at Best Buy part-time and DJ'ing at raves/clubs (PHX, LA, SD, SF, LV) on the weekends than I would have as a teacher/coach in AZ (and that is if I would have obtained a master's and coaching all three sporting seasons).  I dropped education and eventually ended up working more in the entertainment (live music/event production) industry.

As a parent, I've already sent my son to live with his mom in MN, as their education system makes AZ's look like amateur hour.

On to the candidates . . . the only candidate that even shows any knowledge or legitimate plan for education is Duval (who is a Sun Devil) and has experience in educ. admin, but he is also a Dem . . . so, he probably has no shot in this state's current climate.  Jones talks a good game with education (increasing emphasis funding on STEM), as long as she is not pushed on specifics . . . which she doesn't seem to be able to come up with.  Plus, she is a whole bucket of other things on most other issues.

Not sure how I'm going to go . . . but, as I can't vote until the general . . . I'm stuck with what ever the paradigm cheerleaders decide anyway.

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Posted: 07/22/2014 12:51 PM

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I believe all can vote now regardless of party.
LargerParcel wrote:

Dumb-sounding question, but is the AZ (R) primary open to others, or just (R)s?

 

I'm getting tired of my vote not counting for these races (since Janet N was Gov). Starting to toy with the idea of changing registration and going (yack) red.

 

Is it too late to change and vote (R)?



Bear Down on this!!!  41-34 and 58-21 'nuff said
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Posted: 07/22/2014 12:55 PM

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Latest poll from PBS showed Ducey and Jones in 1st and 2nd so as usual when it comes to primaries its the base that is going to vote and they will favor these two or Andrew Thomas the Tea Party candidate.  

It is truly amazing that people are so impressionable that TV advertisements will swing a vote.  The only reason Ducey and Jones are in the lead is because they own 99% of the advertising and you see nothing from Smith or Bennett or Riggs.  Thomas and his bigot filled ad makes up like 1%.  Ducey and Jones keep promising things about the border that we cant do under the law.  Oh and this send the bill to Obama thing, How is he going to pay for it?  Congress not the president would have to pass something to pay for it.  You don't even know how government works and one of them will be our next governor.


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Posted: 07/22/2014 1:02 PM

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spayNnueterallCATS wrote: I believe all can vote now regardless of party.
LargerParcel wrote:

Dumb-sounding question, but is the AZ (R) primary open to others, or just (R)s?

 

I'm getting tired of my vote not counting for these races (since Janet N was Gov). Starting to toy with the idea of changing registration and going (yack) red.

 

Is it too late to change and vote (R)?

If so, Duval's supporters should get the word out to vote for Smith in the primary, right? Because he (Duval) will still be in the general and will lose either way. Better we get a reasonable Republican, if possible, than a polarizing crackpot.

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Posted: 07/22/2014 2:01 PM

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LargerParcel wrote:

Dumb-sounding question, but is the AZ (R) primary open to others, or just (R)s?

 

I'm getting tired of my vote not counting for these races (since Janet N was Gov). Starting to toy with the idea of changing registration and going (yack) red.

 

Is it too late to change and vote (R)?

Register (I) like me and you can choose who to vote for in primaries--last time I voted I said I would be an elephant for the day.  The old guy poll official found that pretty humorous.

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Posted: 07/22/2014 2:27 PM

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I'm an @ss most days, so that could be cathartic. Thanks for the tip!
JustinZ wrote:
LargerParcel wrote:

Dumb-sounding question, but is the AZ (R) primary open to others, or just (R)s?

 

I'm getting tired of my vote not counting for these races (since Janet N was Gov). Starting to toy with the idea of changing registration and going (yack) red.

 

Is it too late to change and vote (R)?

Register (I) like me and you can choose who to vote for in primaries--last time I voted I said I would be an elephant for the day.  The old guy poll official found that pretty humorous.
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Posted: 07/22/2014 2:54 PM

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Never happen we in Arizona have too many people mainly the blue hair crowd in Sun City, Parker, Quartzite and Sun lakes and East Mesa that will vote for Ducey and Jones.  Sun City and Sun lakes and East Mesa are how Arpaio keeps in office.   One thing that could help Smith is if Jones, Thomas and Ducey supporters split the vote enough that Smith can then beat them with a large independent turn out and large turnout of moderate republicans and large LDS turnout.  The LDS vote could swing it for him if he gets them out to vote.  His campaign needs more TV ad's because these ad's are gold for the other guys.  
LargerParcel wrote:
spayNnueterallCATS wrote: I believe all can vote now regardless of party.
LargerParcel wrote:

Dumb-sounding question, but is the AZ (R) primary open to others, or just (R)s?

 

I'm getting tired of my vote not counting for these races (since Janet N was Gov). Starting to toy with the idea of changing registration and going (yack) red.

 

Is it too late to change and vote (R)?

If so, Duval's supporters should get the word out to vote for Smith in the primary, right? Because he (Duval) will still be in the general and will lose either way. Better we get a reasonable Republican, if possible, than a polarizing crackpot.


Bear Down on this!!!  41-34 and 58-21 'nuff said
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