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Message to Andrew Walter

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Posted: 6/13/2014 4:22 AM

Message to Andrew Walter 


I know he allegedly posts here.

 

Mr. Walter,

 

I am an ASU alimni. In fact I watched you play. My senior year at ASU was a great year with you quarterbacking the team to the Holiday Bowl. And you had a good go of it in the NFL, better than most QBs anyway. But when it comes to politics, you shouldn't be there. I'm speaking as a novice though but I will explain why I feel this way. 

 

First of all I do not live in the congressional district you are attempting to represent and will not represent. Just facing the facts there. So imagine my surprise when in the mail I get a letter from you asking for help. Did you tap into a list of ASU alumni or something? That troubles me because you can't represent me. I live roughly 20 miles from where your district is. It obviously wasn't sent by mistake either. Aside from these things what troubles me is the letter accompanying your plea for assistance.

 

This letter is from some group that is basically an athiest group. They supported the current congressman/woman who you are fighting a futile battle to win against. The gist of this seems to be that it's bad to be endorsed by a group that doesn't push a religious agenda. I was raised in an LDS family, my parents voluntarily left the church on good terms years ago, but I have family that is still very active. I have relatives who've been on missions and I've attended weddings at the temple. But there's no room for religion in my life. I feel that it often times clouds good judgment and people follow the books which in my opinion are the works of mortal men. I'm not anti religion, I feel that people should be free to practice whatever religion they want as long as they aren't hurting anybody.

 

I understand that you are in a Republican primary race, so maybe this is an appeal to the bible beaters and other hard core people who think it's a bad thing somebody doesn't believe that their imaginary friend is the best of them all. But I'm also not a Republican. I'm an independent. And I can't vote for you. Even if I could vote for you I still would not. You should do something great, but this type of obscene political pandering to appeal to folks who are religious makes me think a lot less of you as a person.

 

It is a slippery slope mixing politics with religion. I don't see them as compatible. It's like mixing oil with water. Because when the time comes to make a tough call on an issue or congressional vote, I would rather be represented by somebody who doesn't let imaginary friends and ancient books guide their actions in the present day. But somebody who votes with reason and logic.  If somebody is an athiest then I'm more likely to vote for them because I know that they will not have that as a variable to cloud their judgment.

 

Sadly I cannot vote against you since I live too far away. I am represented by a guy named Schwiekert who doesn't say or do much. He's a Republican (I'm pretty sure anyway) but he doesn't say or do crazy things. Or if he does I don't know about it.

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious." - Oscar Wilde

 

 

“I thought you were gonna say the sun was in your eyes...that is to say, your eye.”

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Posted: 6/13/2014 6:26 AM

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What a bigot you are saying religious people lack reason and have imaginary friends.
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Posted: 6/13/2014 7:30 AM

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AdolphOliverbush wrote:


Because when the time comes to make a tough call on an issue or congressional vote, I would rather be represented by somebody who doesn't let imaginary friends and ancient books guide their actions in the present day. But somebody who votes with reason and logic.  


Adolph, 
How can you be absolutely sure that the atheist candidate does not have every intention of screwing you over? Without the ability to read his heart, you can never be absolutely sure. Every vote is a roll of the dice.

With the religious candidate, you have a greater probability that he will hold himself to a moral code.  With the atheist candidate, you got zero probability that he will hold himself to a moral code.  

You have better odds with the religious candidate.

But for the very best odds that you will not get screwed over, vote for limited government.

Last edited 6/13/2014 7:39 AM by TheDevilSpawn

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Posted: 6/13/2014 8:30 AM

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What hypocrisy by the OP.  banghead
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Posted: 6/13/2014 10:30 AM

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Obama is an athiest (nobody can convince me he believes in God), and he adheres to an ancient book called the communist maifesto.  How is he working out for you?  You put yourself above all others because you are "free" from religion, but you bought into the stereotype of Republicans that was sold to you by socialist democrats. 

If your reading this Andrew, I will support you as long as you adhere to conservative principles.  We have nobody that represents us constitutional conservatives.  That is a void begging to be filled.

"I didn't come here to win on a Saturday, I came to win here every day"

Todd Graham

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Posted: 6/13/2014 12:55 PM

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You seem to be insinuating that the odds are greater that a religious person 
is more likely to have morals and values than a person who does not believe in god. 

Lets analyze this argument by looking at facts for a moment. What countries do you consider the most religious, or better yet, what countries do you think have leaders who are the most religious? I'll give you a hint, the countries that are the most religious... weather it be Christianity, Islam, etc... are more often than not the least moral societies on the planet. 

You can look it up. Many studies have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the most secular societies are also the most peaceful. They are also the most educated, they have the longest life spans, the highest living standards, the least number of incarcerations, etc... 

Here is a small part of the evidence for this phenomenon...

http://www.theguardian.com/wor...l-peace-ranking

This does not mean that religion is wrong or right... it simply disproves the theory that if you want to live in a civilized society you should only vote for people who believe that eating shellfish is a sin. 

TheDevilSpawn wrote:
AdolphOliverbush wrote:


Because when the time comes to make a tough call on an issue or congressional vote, I would rather be represented by somebody who doesn't let imaginary friends and ancient books guide their actions in the present day. But somebody who votes with reason and logic.  


Adolph, 
How can you be absolutely sure that the atheist candidate does not have every intention of screwing you over? Without the ability to read his heart, you can never be absolutely sure. Every vote is a roll of the dice.

With the religious candidate, you have a greater probability that he will hold himself to a moral code.  With the atheist candidate, you got zero probability that he will hold himself to a moral code.  

You have better odds with the religious candidate.

But for the very best odds that you will not get screwed over, vote for limited government.
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Posted: 6/13/2014 1:08 PM

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I don't care whether you believe in a god or what god that is you believe in.  I don't care if you are an atheist but whatever you are does not mean you are better then anyone else who believes different.  Sh#t like that is why Iraq and Syria are in Civil Wars right now and why we had Bosnia.  One religion thinking its better then the other.    Its America you are all entitled to your free speech and beliefs REMEMBER THAT!!!!!



SMH @ the OP...disbelief


Bear Down on this!!!  41-34 and 58-21 'nuff said
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Posted: 6/13/2014 1:19 PM

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pure baloney
Devilution wrote: Obama is an athiest (nobody can convince me he believes in God), and he adheres to an ancient book called the communist maifesto.  How is he working out for you?  You put yourself above all others because you are "free" from religion, but you bought into the stereotype of Republicans that was sold to you by socialist democrats. 

If your reading this Andrew, I will support you as long as you adhere to conservative principles.  We have nobody that represents us constitutional conservatives.  That is a void begging to be filled.
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Posted: 6/13/2014 1:33 PM

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the42yardline wrote:

You seem to be insinuating that the odds are greater that a religious person 
is more likely to have morals and values than a person who does not believe in god. 



Yes 42, the odds are greater that a religious person will follow a moral code.  Think about it. A religious person believes in a higher moral authority.  If he breaks the moral code, he will face judgement and consequences.

The atheist believes there is no God.  He can screw over whoever he pleases because there is no judgement and there are no consequences after death.

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Posted: 6/13/2014 2:26 PM

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Why are prisons primarily filled with religious people then?
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Posted: 6/13/2014 2:35 PM

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Our nation is 2% of the world's population.  Yet our prisons make up 25% of the world's prisoners.

Can we honestly say that our people take their religion seriously ???

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Posted: 6/13/2014 3:37 PM

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They are? where do you get that idea?
the42yardline wrote: Why are prisons primarily filled with religious people then?


Bear Down on this!!!  41-34 and 58-21 'nuff said
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Posted: 6/13/2014 3:38 PM

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Real question is how much of our Prison population is in on Drug related charges that in other countries don't get you prison time.
TheDevilSpawn wrote: Our nation is 2% of the world's population.  Yet our prisons make up 25% of the world's prisoners.

Can we honestly say that our people take their religion seriously ???


Bear Down on this!!!  41-34 and 58-21 'nuff said
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Posted: 6/13/2014 3:48 PM

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The War On Drugs is worse than the actual drugs.

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Posted: 6/13/2014 3:52 PM

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^^^^
True dat!

Walter does have world class eyebrows!
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Posted: 6/13/2014 4:11 PM

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If people don't take their religion seriously then why would voting for a religious person make any difference.


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Our nation is 2% of the world's population.  Yet our prisons make up 25% of the world's prisoners.

Can we honestly say that our people take their religion seriously ???

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Posted: 6/13/2014 4:19 PM

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I'm on my mobile now so I can't post links but the federal prison bureau does have the statistics and the data is available to the public. Based on this data atheists make up less than 1% of the prison population yet they are over 10% of the general population.

Again, I'm not claiming that atheists are better human beings, I'm just attempting to disprove the previous posters claim that a believer is more likely to be a moral or ethical individual.


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They are? where do you get that idea?
the42yardline wrote: Why are prisons primarily filled with religious people then?


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Posted: 6/13/2014 5:17 PM

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Once in Prison I agree many find religion but before they go in not sure even 70% of them probably went to church regularly or considered themselves religious.  Just a guess


Bear Down on this!!!  41-34 and 58-21 'nuff said
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Posted: 6/13/2014 5:18 PM

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Its absurd this nation imprisons people for possessing weed.  Unless they are in for large scale drug charges on real drugs like Crack or Meth they don't need to be in jail for weed or minor prescription drug abuse.


Bear Down on this!!!  41-34 and 58-21 'nuff said
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Posted: 6/13/2014 7:16 PM

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the42yardline wrote:

 I'm just attempting to disprove the previous posters claim that a believer is more likely to be a moral or ethical individual.

42:  Again, as I said before, voting is a roll of the dice.  We do not have the ability to truly read a man's heart.  That's why I always vote Tea Party/Limited Government.  Better odds - Safer choice.

I will always vote go for the guy who I believe is Tea Party.  But if two candidates are equal Tea Party in every respect, I will vote for the guy that claims to be a Believer.  Greater odds that he gets his moral authority from a higher source, as opposed to the Atheist who pulls his moral code out of his ass.

All things being equal, who would you choose?

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