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Rich Olsen - The Real Story

Posted: 12/08/2008 1:32 PM

Rich Olsen - The Real Story 


I must post regarding the idea that RO has been “terrible at every place he has been”. He is a much-respected 30-year veteran who has enjoyed some tremendous successes along the way.

One of his first jobs was a single-year stint under John Robinson at USC where he developed much of his knowledge. From there he migrated to SMU where he was the architect of the famous Pony Express backfield that featured Hall of Fame RB Eric Dickerson and Craig James as running backs coach. He was big part of the tiny religious school’s rise to the top of college football’s elite. A huge success. From there he ended up at Fresno State for a successful 8-year run as OC. The Bulldogs had 8 winning seasons, 4 bowl games (back when they didn’t hand out bowl bids like candy) and coached Kevin Sweeney’s big year in which he set a single-season record of passing yards and coached Trent Dilfer’s superb college career which ended up a the first QB taken in the draft. From there he went to Miami under DE where he was a wildly successful WR coach and which the ‘Canes played for two national championships and had a Heisman winner (Gino Torreta).

He then had a 10+ years as an NFL assistant. Coaching bottom level teams didn’t do much for his career. He took over as Cardinals OC but the talent level was extremely low. David Boston was the only decent talent that had and he had some pretty big years under Olson. Erratic QB Jake Plummer, Michael Pittman and a slew of marginal talents made up the offense. The same can be said for his years at Seattle and SF. His one-year at Minnesota saw them trade Randy Moss in a dubious off-season move and then lost his QB Culpepper to season-ending knee injury. They still finished 9-7. He did get to two playoffs games in his two-year run with the Redskins. Back in college he had a one-year stint at Miami. The program was in serious decline (and still is).

DE hired him for the ASU job in 07 where he did a decent job with seemingly marginal talent. The failures of the 08 team extend far beyond Olsen IMHO. The 07 O-line wasn’t great by any means (the led the nation in sacks allowed I think) but the 08 line was a complete and total failure. Couldn’t run block, couldn’t pass block, holding and false-start penalties in abundance. Carpenter was erratic, overthrowing one pass and one-hopping the next, throwing int’s and showing no leadership skills. The backs were way below average and the receivers (so called the strength of the team) were hardly anything more that average.

I am not saying the Olsen is the second coming of Bill Walsh. His long history has shown that when giving talent he can make that talent very successful. He is no miracle worker that’s for sure. Is he a great OC? In a word, no.  Was he the downfall of the 08 team? No.Can he be successful again?  Sure, if the talent swings upward again he will get results.

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Posted: 12/08/2008 2:05 PM

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One of my biggest concerns about retaining Rich Olson is Dennis Erickson stating that he had a lot of input on the offensive play calling.  If that's the case then Erickson is acknowledging that the person he hired to call plays isn't getting the job done and he needs to take time away from his head coaching duties to give major input on the game plan.  The time that DE used in helping Rich Olson do his job could be better spent recruiting the elite level players we all acknowledge this class lacks.  It's no secret why Pete Carroll is able to continuously land elite level players, read their interviews and you'll see his name mentioned as someone showing up at their games or writing hand written letters/making phone calls.  I'd really like to see Erickson's assistants create all the game plans thus giving him more time to focus on recruiting the Devon Kennard's and Corey Adam's of the world.

GO DEVILS!
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Posted: 12/08/2008 2:10 PM

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I don't think anyone here is questioning the man's past successes. But look at the time frame. This was all 20 yrs ago when he was successful.  I know the man knows x and o's. But the issue as you correctly indentified it.... can he develop less than stellar talent? ASU is not going to get the SC types..ok?  If he had trouble at Miami with all the speed and talent  in that area under L.Cocker, what are we to expect here in Tempe?

Let me be frank...I wish the man success. But he came to Tempe under a dark cloud and he has done little to remove it. We all recognized the problems with the OL. But as an OC you have to adjust an attempt to hide your weaknesses. Fans saw little creativity on offense..Nada, Zip, Zero, out to lunch, AWOL, etc.

DE has stood by his staff which may/may not be a good thing. Time will tell.  DE wasn't given a C. Weis contract.  If he did it in Corvallis, he could do it here in Tempe. But he does need to get the best assistants who can coach todays players.
I for one am not sold on either Smith or Olsen.
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Posted: 12/08/2008 2:17 PM

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CoolerMaster wrote: I must post regarding the idea that RO has been “terrible at every place he has been”. He is a much-respected 30-year veteran who has enjoyed some tremendous successes along the way.

One of his first jobs was a single-year stint under John Robinson at USC where he developed much of his knowledge. From there he migrated to SMU where he was the architect of the famous Pony Express backfield that featured Hall of Fame RB Eric Dickerson and Craig James as running backs coach. He was big part of the tiny religious school’s rise to the top of college football’s elite. A huge success. From there he ended up at Fresno State for a successful 8-year run as OC. The Bulldogs had 8 winning seasons, 4 bowl games (back when they didn’t hand out bowl bids like candy) and coached Kevin Sweeney’s big year in which he set a single-season record of passing yards and coached Trent Dilfer’s superb college career which ended up a the first QB taken in the draft. From there he went to Miami under DE where he was a wildly successful WR coach and which the ‘Canes played for two national championships and had a Heisman winner (Gino Torreta).

He then had a 10+ years as an NFL assistant. Coaching bottom level teams didn’t do much for his career. He took over as Cardinals OC but the talent level was extremely low. David Boston was the only decent talent that had and he had some pretty big years under Olson. Erratic QB Jake Plummer, Michael Pittman and a slew of marginal talents made up the offense. The same can be said for his years at Seattle and SF. His one-year at Minnesota saw them trade Randy Moss in a dubious off-season move and then lost his QB Culpepper to season-ending knee injury. They still finished 9-7. He did get to two playoffs games in his two-year run with the Redskins. Back in college he had a one-year stint at Miami. The program was in serious decline (and still is).

DE hired him for the ASU job in 07 where he did a decent job with seemingly marginal talent. The failures of the 08 team extend far beyond Olsen IMHO. The 07 O-line wasn’t great by any means (the led the nation in sacks allowed I think) but the 08 line was a complete and total failure. Couldn’t run block, couldn’t pass block, holding and false-start penalties in abundance. Carpenter was erratic, overthrowing one pass and one-hopping the next, throwing int’s and showing no leadership skills. The backs were way below average and the receivers (so called the strength of the team) were hardly anything more that average.

I am not saying the Olsen is the second coming of Bill Walsh. His long history has shown that when giving talent he can make that talent very successful. He is no miracle worker that’s for sure. Is he a great OC? In a word, no.  Was he the downfall of the 08 team? No.Can he be successful again?  Sure, if the talent swings upward again he will get results.
I think you hit it on the head. No one here is clamoring that we had GREAT talent, but there do exist people out there that CAN work miralces and we wantone of them. The offense performed way below our talent level this year, we dont want to wait untill we have SC talent to be decent on offense, we need someone who can win games with what we have (which is NOT that bad)
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Posted: 12/08/2008 2:18 PM

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I don't think anyone on this board is going to debate whether, or not, DE and RO inherited a lack of depth and talent/skill level when they took over the program.

However, what you lack in talent you make up with heart.  Case in point, Fresno State does not get the best talent in their recruting.  They not only compete against the likes of USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, but every other PAC-10 school looking to lock-down CA talent.  Yet, every year, they play with a level of intensity that is the envy of many programs.  They leave it all on the field when the game is over, and other schools who play them respect the heck out of that program.

This year, I believe was more of the disparity between senior-laden Koetter recruits (old regime) and the younger, inexperienced DE recruits (new regime).  The younger players are more talented (skill level) at their age than any of the seniors were at that time in their respective careers.  This can cause some cultural rifts in the locker room and practice fields. 

Now, if we are in the same roller coaster (2) years from now...10-3 one season...5-7 the next, etc. - then DE and RO need to be reviewed or replaced.

 

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Posted: 12/08/2008 2:19 PM

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I have no question about the man's football acumen. I am concerned with the diminishing returns in his recent stops.  Knowing that we have quite a few holes on the offensive side of things, I am concerned whether Olson is still up to the task.
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Posted: 12/08/2008 2:39 PM

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CoolerMaster wrote: I must post regarding the idea that RO has been “terrible at every place he has been”. He is a much-respected 30-year veteran who has enjoyed some tremendous successes along the way.

One of his first jobs was a single-year stint under John Robinson at USC where he developed much of his knowledge. From there he migrated to SMU where he was the architect of the famous Pony Express backfield that featured Hall of Fame RB Eric Dickerson and Craig James as running backs coach. He was big part of the tiny religious school’s rise to the top of college football’s elite. A huge success. From there he ended up at Fresno State for a successful 8-year run as OC. The Bulldogs had 8 winning seasons, 4 bowl games (back when they didn’t hand out bowl bids like candy) and coached Kevin Sweeney’s big year in which he set a single-season record of passing yards and coached Trent Dilfer’s superb college career which ended up a the first QB taken in the draft. From there he went to Miami under DE where he was a wildly successful WR coach and which the ‘Canes played for two national championships and had a Heisman winner (Gino Torreta).

He then had a 10+ years as an NFL assistant. Coaching bottom level teams didn’t do much for his career. He took over as Cardinals OC but the talent level was extremely low. David Boston was the only decent talent that had and he had some pretty big years under Olson. Erratic QB Jake Plummer, Michael Pittman and a slew of marginal talents made up the offense. The same can be said for his years at Seattle and SF. His one-year at Minnesota saw them trade Randy Moss in a dubious off-season move and then lost his QB Culpepper to season-ending knee injury. They still finished 9-7. He did get to two playoffs games in his two-year run with the Redskins. Back in college he had a one-year stint at Miami. The program was in serious decline (and still is).

DE hired him for the ASU job in 07 where he did a decent job with seemingly marginal talent. The failures of the 08 team extend far beyond Olsen IMHO. The 07 O-line wasn’t great by any means (the led the nation in sacks allowed I think) but the 08 line was a complete and total failure. Couldn’t run block, couldn’t pass block, holding and false-start penalties in abundance. Carpenter was erratic, overthrowing one pass and one-hopping the next, throwing int’s and showing no leadership skills. The backs were way below average and the receivers (so called the strength of the team) were hardly anything more that average.

I am not saying the Olsen is the second coming of Bill Walsh. His long history has shown that when giving talent he can make that talent very successful. He is no miracle worker that’s for sure. Is he a great OC? In a word, no.  Was he the downfall of the 08 team? No.Can he be successful again?  Sure, if the talent swings upward again he will get results.

Thanks Rich.  Any more info about yourself that you'd like to provide?  Where were you born?  Who was your first kiss?  What is your mom's maiden name?  Do you prefer chocolate or vanilla? (I'm guessing vanilla, seems to coincide nicely with your offense).

I hear there's a great Del Webb retirement community in Sun City (you're probably not too good at diagramming the way to reach that destination, but www.google.com should help).  Perhaps once you're there, you shouldn't come back.

Later.
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Posted: 12/08/2008 2:48 PM

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Devil1461 wrote: I don't think anyone here is questioning the man's past successes. But look at the time frame. This was all 20 yrs ago when he was successful.  I know the man knows x and o's. But the issue as you correctly indentified it.... can he develop less than stellar talent? ASU is not going to get the SC types..ok?  If he had trouble at Miami with all the speed and talent  in that area under L.Cocker, what are we to expect here in Tempe?

Let me be frank...I wish the man success. But he came to Tempe under a dark cloud and he has done little to remove it. We all recognized the problems with the OL. But as an OC you have to adjust an attempt to hide your weaknesses. Fans saw little creativity on offense..Nada, Zip, Zero, out to lunch, AWOL, etc.

DE has stood by his staff which may/may not be a good thing. Time will tell.  DE wasn't given a C. Weis contract.  If he did it in Corvallis, he could do it here in Tempe. But he does need to get the best assistants who can coach todays players.
I for one am not sold on either Smith or Olsen.

The job he did in 2005 with the Vikings was an example of an excellent job. The Vikings had a typically porous defense that they were famous for, lost Randy Moss in the offseason, lost Culpepper mid-season and still registered a 9-7 record. Really, that was a fine job. In 2007, the Devils got way more wins than their talent suggested and it was the offense that did the job. Again, an excellent job. One season isn't enough of a black-mark against Olsen. The talent level of this team just didn't equate to anything more than a 5-6 win season.  Expectation be damned!
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Posted: 12/08/2008 2:56 PM

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sundevbiz wrote:
I think you hit it on the head. No one here is clamoring that we had GREAT talent, but there do exist people out there that CAN work miralces and we wantone of them. The offense performed way below our talent level this year, we dont want to wait untill we have SC talent to be decent on offense, we need someone who can win games with what we have (which is NOT that bad)

I think the job that DE and RO did in 2007 qualifies as getting more wins that the talent suggested. The talent level wasn't anywhere near BCS level but they nearly got that far.  Who do you have in mind that would take the OC job that fits that bill?
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Posted: 12/08/2008 3:10 PM

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Probably a pop warner coach from Buckeye would have more imagination than Olsen. One or two end arounds all year with speedy receivers? Few screen passes? Dive right, dive left- enough said. Mr. Olsen take advantage of our great weather and a retirement community about 15 miles to the northwest!!!
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Posted: 12/08/2008 3:21 PM

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CoolerMaster wrote: I must post regarding the idea that RO has been “terrible at every place he has been”. He is a much-respected 30-year veteran who has enjoyed some tremendous successes along the way.

One of his first jobs was a single-year stint under John Robinson at USC where he developed much of his knowledge. From there he migrated to SMU where he was the architect of the famous Pony Express backfield that featured Hall of Fame RB Eric Dickerson and Craig James as running backs coach. He was big part of the tiny religious school’s rise to the top of college football’s elite. A huge success. From there he ended up at Fresno State for a successful 8-year run as OC. The Bulldogs had 8 winning seasons, 4 bowl games (back when they didn’t hand out bowl bids like candy) and coached Kevin Sweeney’s big year in which he set a single-season record of passing yards and coached Trent Dilfer’s superb college career which ended up a the first QB taken in the draft. From there he went to Miami under DE where he was a wildly successful WR coach and which the ‘Canes played for two national championships and had a Heisman winner (Gino Torreta).

He then had a 10+ years as an NFL assistant. Coaching bottom level teams didn’t do much for his career. He took over as Cardinals OC but the talent level was extremely low. David Boston was the only decent talent that had and he had some pretty big years under Olson. Erratic QB Jake Plummer, Michael Pittman and a slew of marginal talents made up the offense. The same can be said for his years at Seattle and SF. His one-year at Minnesota saw them trade Randy Moss in a dubious off-season move and then lost his QB Culpepper to season-ending knee injury. They still finished 9-7. He did get to two playoffs games in his two-year run with the Redskins. Back in college he had a one-year stint at Miami. The program was in serious decline (and still is).

DE hired him for the ASU job in 07 where he did a decent job with seemingly marginal talent. The failures of the 08 team extend far beyond Olsen IMHO. The 07 O-line wasn’t great by any means (the led the nation in sacks allowed I think) but the 08 line was a complete and total failure. Couldn’t run block, couldn’t pass block, holding and false-start penalties in abundance. Carpenter was erratic, overthrowing one pass and one-hopping the next, throwing int’s and showing no leadership skills. The backs were way below average and the receivers (so called the strength of the team) were hardly anything more that average.

I am not saying the Olsen is the second coming of Bill Walsh. His long history has shown that when giving talent he can make that talent very successful. He is no miracle worker that’s for sure. Is he a great OC? In a word, no.  Was he the downfall of the 08 team? No.Can he be successful again?  Sure, if the talent swings upward again he will get results.

Hi Rich... errrrr... Mr. Olsen... how are you?
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Posted: 12/08/2008 4:01 PM

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I don't know anything about Olson's past. Over the past 28 years he could have been an offensive genius extrordinaire.

All I know for sure is, the past two years he's been here, the offense has been absolutely abysmal. But the kicker is, during that time I have seen no adjustments or any obvious attempts to change things or even scheme to make up for weaknesses. Just the same old thing that did not work time after time after time after time again.

 

DUDE'S GOTTA GO !!!

GO DEVILS !!!

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Posted: 12/08/2008 4:17 PM

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CoolerMaster wrote: I must post regarding the idea that RO has been “terrible at every place he has been”. He is a much-respected 30-year veteran who has enjoyed some tremendous successes along the way.

One of his first jobs was a single-year stint under John Robinson at USC where he developed much of his knowledge. From there he migrated to SMU where he was the architect of the famous Pony Express backfield that featured Hall of Fame RB Eric Dickerson and Craig James as running backs coach. He was big part of the tiny religious school’s rise to the top of college football’s elite. A huge success. From there he ended up at Fresno State for a successful 8-year run as OC. The Bulldogs had 8 winning seasons, 4 bowl games (back when they didn’t hand out bowl bids like candy) and coached Kevin Sweeney’s big year in which he set a single-season record of passing yards and coached Trent Dilfer’s superb college career which ended up a the first QB taken in the draft. From there he went to Miami under DE where he was a wildly successful WR coach and which the ‘Canes played for two national championships and had a Heisman winner (Gino Torreta).

He then had a 10+ years as an NFL assistant. Coaching bottom level teams didn’t do much for his career. He took over as Cardinals OC but the talent level was extremely low. David Boston was the only decent talent that had and he had some pretty big years under Olson. Erratic QB Jake Plummer, Michael Pittman and a slew of marginal talents made up the offense. The same can be said for his years at Seattle and SF. His one-year at Minnesota saw them trade Randy Moss in a dubious off-season move and then lost his QB Culpepper to season-ending knee injury. They still finished 9-7. He did get to two playoffs games in his two-year run with the Redskins. Back in college he had a one-year stint at Miami. The program was in serious decline (and still is).

DE hired him for the ASU job in 07 where he did a decent job with seemingly marginal talent. The failures of the 08 team extend far beyond Olsen IMHO. The 07 O-line wasn’t great by any means (the led the nation in sacks allowed I think) but the 08 line was a complete and total failure. Couldn’t run block, couldn’t pass block, holding and false-start penalties in abundance. Carpenter was erratic, overthrowing one pass and one-hopping the next, throwing int’s and showing no leadership skills. The backs were way below average and the receivers (so called the strength of the team) were hardly anything more that average.

I am not saying the Olsen is the second coming of Bill Walsh. His long history has shown that when giving talent he can make that talent very successful. He is no miracle worker that’s for sure. Is he a great OC? In a word, no.  Was he the downfall of the 08 team? No.Can he be successful again?  Sure, if the talent swings upward again he will get results.
The thing that doesn't often get mentioned is that most people could see the offensive line was in trouble by Spring practices.  Isn't it the coaches job to recruit more JC O-Lineman to address the lack of depth?  Why didn't Olson bring in more JC lineman in the last class?




... when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away ... Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him. - Sun Tzu
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Posted: 12/08/2008 4:19 PM

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PS: Hey Rich.... it's not exactly hard to coach a team with spectacular talent, the mark of a decent coach is what he does with the hand he's been dealt. This year it was a spectacular failure.

The play calling alone merits his dismissal.

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Posted: 12/08/2008 4:22 PM

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The offense in 2007 wasn't abysmal at all, it was pretty good when they weren't liked up against players that were bigger and stronger.

"It's more about the Jimmies and Joe's than the X's and O's".

I present to you incredible Junes Jones Run n Gun offense as exhibit A:

Total offense: 98th

Scoring offense: 93rd

Same coach with his players in 2007 (Hawaii):

Total offense: 3rd

Scoring offense: 1st

Hmmm...

It's as if the players executing the offense might have something to do with its success.  I've heard a lot of smart people indicate it's important to win the line of scrimmage also.  Last I checked, the coaches aren't out there blocking, a bunch of Freshman and a converted DL are though...
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Posted: 12/08/2008 6:03 PM

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Olson was unable to get any production out of his offense. Things weren't working right and he was unable to right the ship. Time to cut bait. Players make the plays, but coaches should be able to coach the kids and put them into a position to make plays.

Our safety scored the 2nd most TDs on the team. In the past 7 games, our offense only scored 11 TDs out of 89 possessions, and many of them were started in the opponents' field position. The OC needs to call the plays that make an offense succeed. UNLV's coach did it against us. If we don't have the talent, it is up to the coaches to find what works.

 

FORK 'EM DEVILS

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Posted: 12/08/2008 6:15 PM

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ASUndevilFan wrote: The offense in 2007 wasn't abysmal at all, it was pretty good when they weren't liked up against players that were bigger and stronger.

"It's more about the Jimmies and Joe's than the X's and O's".

I present to you incredible Junes Jones Run n Gun offense as exhibit A:

Total offense: 98th

Scoring offense: 93rd

Same coach with his players in 2007 (Hawaii):

Total offense: 3rd

Scoring offense: 1st

Hmmm...

It's as if the players executing the offense might have something to do with its success.  I've heard a lot of smart people indicate it's important to win the line of scrimmage also.  Last I checked, the coaches aren't out there blocking, a bunch of Freshman and a converted DL are though...
Totally agree with this...unfortunately this will get ignored by the bloodthirsty masses because it makes too much sense.
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Posted: 12/08/2008 6:33 PM

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 Pro players better perform--they are paid to perform! There are NO expectations when you're dealing with 18-22 y.o. college kids.  It's up to the coaches to get these youngmen to realize their potential, develop their skills and hopefully have some fun while winning.

I don't know if you attented any of the ASU games this yr? If you did, you would know what and why so many are so frustrated.  There was literally NO improvement on offense..zip, nada, none.  Against UCLA, a H.S. team would have scored on offense. Against SC--- NADA, even after they coughed the ball up 3 or 4 times.  In the Red-zone this yr, it was the same play after play. No hurry up offense, nothing to say that this team knew what it was doing...NOTHING ! Is that on the players or the coaches??

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Posted: 12/08/2008 6:37 PM

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ASUNDEVILFAN thank God you're out there with all the nonsense posted about fire this guy and that guy, it's nice to know someone has a head on their shoulders. Thank you.

Everyone needs to take a deep breath and realize what DE is building here. Sure this year sucked and was a major let down after last season but you can see if  you look what we have in the future and it looks good. DE has upgraded the speed of ASU by leaps in bounds in 2 years. This is the fastest team we have had and it's only getting faster. This is the best defense we have had since 96 and most are coming back with a lot of young guys that got a lot of playing time this year as reserves. We also have a few DL's that redshirted this year that will only make us deeper. We will have speed at the linebacker spot and depth. The only question will be safety since the 2 starters were seniors and we had a few guys get playing time there that are young.

 On offense our line will be much better next year as long as Schlink and Husted come back from injury and we have a bunch of guys that reshirted this year that will compete for time. The only question in my mind is the qb which will keep us from winning 10 games but I believe we will win 8 or 9 even with average play from that position.

Just remember when Saia Falahola (sp) came in as Freshman I believe it was 3 years ago he was the only offensive lineman recruit of that class and I remember to this day what Koetter said at his Letter of Intent signing day presser when asked about it. He said " we will address the offensive line next year". Well those words have back to haunt us. We are young but we have talent and I believe we will be very tough next year especially on defense with a very capable offense.

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Posted: 12/08/2008 6:46 PM

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Devil1461 wrote:

 Pro players better perform--they are paid to perform! There are NO expectations when you're dealing with 18-22 y.o. college kids.  It's up to the coaches to get these youngmen to realize their potential, develop their skills and hopefully have some fun while winning.

I don't know if you attented any of the ASU games this yr? If you did, you would know what and why so many are so frustrated.  There was literally NO improvement on offense..zip, nada, none.  Against UCLA, a H.S. team would have scored on offense. Against SC--- NADA, even after they coughed the ball up 3 or 4 times.  In the Red-zone this yr, it was the same play after play. No hurry up offense, nothing to say that this team knew what it was doing...NOTHING ! Is that on the players or the coaches??


They did win 3 out of 4 to close the season. Despite everything, I think the o-line did show some improvement as the season wore on. RC clearly didn't. He mailed in most of his senior season and pretty much looks to be a broken qb. The Devils finished 5-7 and had a shot to go to a bowl and finish with a winning conference record if they won in Tucson. I thought they might pull it off at halftime but that wasn't to be. The future is all on the offensive line. If DE gets a JC or two and the injured starters return, I can easily see a 7 or 8 win season in 2009.
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