Might as well just start this chat up. The only logic thing to do is fire this bum. So anyone have ideas for a next coach?

There is really only one possibility if there is a new coach for next season, IMO -- Eric Mussleman. If Herb is fired after this season, then that decision was made this past off season and EMuss was brought in to be the replacement.

If that wasn't the plan, Sendek is our coach next year.  A go/no go decision would be made after next season, primarily based on how the next recruiting cycle goes and how we play next year.

He's not going anywhere unless he decides to leave. Next year will be his make-or-break season.

His demise will be not being able to recruit quality big men and his coaching style. Unfortuntely our athletic dept is content making the tournament once every 7 years or so.

that's just a band-aid, Muss is a total vagabond and not someone to build a program, he will be out the door at the next opportunity

another year of Herb will bring more of the same


BigESunDvl wrote: There is really only one possibility if there is a new coach for next season, IMO -- Eric Mussleman. If Herb is fired after this season, then that decision was made this past off season and EMuss was brought in to be the replacement.

If that wasn't the plan, Sendek is our coach next year.  A go/no go decision would be made after next season, primarily based on how the next recruiting cycle goes and how we play next year.

TheDashInn wrote: that's just a band-aid, Muss is a total vagabond and not someone to build a program, he will be out the door at the next opportunity

another year of Herb will bring more of the same


BigESunDvl wrote: There is really only one possibility if there is a new coach for next season, IMO -- Eric Mussleman. If Herb is fired after this season, then that decision was made this past off season and EMuss was brought in to be the replacement.

If that wasn't the plan, Sendek is our coach next year.  A go/no go decision would be made after next season, primarily based on how the next recruiting cycle goes and how we play next year.

Don't disagree with either of your comments.  Just stating the two options that I could see happening.

Cue MoDevil with his "But Herb has produced a 20 win season" mantra in 10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1.

My brother and I were talking after the game and he mentioned that the buy out is ridiculous. Lisa Love's rearing ugly head is there on this. Considering how much his buyout is and the cost of replacing the coach its not likely that we can afford to buy it out with everything else going on. All the money is being put to redo the football stadium and getting things ready for Phoenix Muni. A 20 win season is great, but if you can't make the tourney with that then that is not a good situation. I would wait to see what happens and who becomes available. Who knows maybe Byron Scott or Lionel Hollins will want to give college a shot. If anything with Mussellman that is exactly what could happen and why he was brought in. We will see after the season. I still don't understand how we can be so bad at the FT line and can't manage to boxout and get rebounds.

If Herb was to go next year (very doubtful) I would at least hope Randy Bennett is on the short list.

NR1620 wrote: If Herb was to go next year (very doubtful) I would at least hope Randy Bennett is on the short list.

I've been told that there has been some behind the scenes stuff that burned bridges and would make Bennett a long shot for the ASU position.  I don't have specific details, so I can't provide more clarity than that, but that's what I've been told.

Bruce Pearl

Big time proven winner who took two nobody's to elite status immediately.

He made a mistake which means that ASU could get him and could get him for probably what we're paying Sendek right now.

Pearl is also a "community" type of guy ala CTG. The fans in Tennessee loved him.

ASU screwed up (hindsight) by not grabbing Huggins when we had the chance. We now have another "Huggins" opportunity. One look at the success Huggins brought to KState should be enough for ASU to at least sit down with Pearl and see if there is mutual interest and what type of man Bruce Pearl really is.

Musselman may or may not be a great coach. We also have no idea what kind of recruiter he is as he either has had nothing to do with with very average incoming class or he simply isn't that good. I also agree that there is a danger of him moving back to the NBA, so he may not be a long term solution.

Bobby Lutz.  Did a great job at UNC-Charlotte and is a valued assistant at NCSU.  Would hate to lose him, but he deserves another shot.

Would find it funny if Archie Miller is in the running.

More NCSU ties to ASU.  Don't y'all love the Pack so much?!

Pearl would be a program changer, he could actually put ASU on the National Scene in Hoops. Those who worry about his past would get a Coach who knows another screw up with the NCAA would be his last. Can't help but think of the talent he would bring to ASU year in and year out, not a Star every 5 years.
Wells Fargo would actually become a tough ticket and the program would make a huge jump in Revenue.
The guy would win... period. Doubt it will happen but get someone who can actually get Blue Chip Talent and it would be amazing. No reason ASU can't be a NCAA Tourney Team almost yearly.

DenverDevil wrote: Bruce Pearl

Big time proven winner who took two nobody's to elite status immediately.

He made a mistake which means that ASU could get him and could get him for probably what we're paying Sendek right now.

Pearl is also a "community" type of guy ala CTG. The fans in Tennessee loved him.

ASU screwed up (hindsight) by not grabbing Huggins when we had the chance. We now have another "Huggins" opportunity. One look at the success Huggins brought to KState should be enough for ASU to at least sit down with Pearl and see if there is mutual interest and what type of man Bruce Pearl really is.

Musselman may or may not be a great coach. We also have no idea what kind of recruiter he is as he either has had nothing to do with with very average incoming class or he simply isn't that good. I also agree that there is a danger of him moving back to the NBA, so he may not be a long term solution.

To bad about Bennett, maybe a new AD would make a difference. I would be a fan of Pearl, but not sure Crow would do it with his history and worrying about the schools image.

Btw on Higgins, what's up with WV this year? They moved to what is considered any easier conference and have really struggled.

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--- DenverDevil wrote:

Bruce Pearl

Big time proven winner who took two nobody's to elite status immediately.

He made a mistake which means that ASU could get him and could get him for probably what we're paying Sendek right now.

Pearl is also a "community" type of guy ala CTG. The fans in Tennessee loved him.

ASU screwed up (hindsight) by not grabbing Huggins when we had the chance. We now have another "Huggins" opportunity. One look at the success Huggins brought to KState should be enough for ASU to at least sit down with Pearl and see if there is mutual interest and what type of man Bruce Pearl really is.

Musselman may or may not be a great coach. We also have no idea what kind of recruiter he is as he either has had nothing to do with with very average incoming class or he simply isn't that good. I also agree that there is a danger of him moving back to the NBA, so he may not be a long term solution.

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wolfpackcountry wrote: Bobby Lutz.  Did a great job at UNC-Charlotte and is a valued assistant at NCSU.  Would hate to lose him, but he deserves another shot.

Would find it funny if Archie Miller is in the running.

More NCSU ties to ASU.  Don't y'all love the Pack so much?!

To damn funny... Then charlotte fans would be running here telling them what a crappy hire they got kind of like you are doing now. Funny the Niner fans I know  look at Lutz like you look at Sendek.


Edited.... Charlotte fans might be a tad more classy than that.

DenverDevil wrote: 

ASU screwed up (hindsight) by not grabbing Huggins when we had the chance. We now have another "Huggins" opportunity. One look at the success Huggins brought to KState should be enough for ASU to at least sit down with Pearl and see if there is mutual interest and what type of man Bruce Pearl really is.

It wasn't really Huggins that brought success to K state.  He was there for one year then bolted for West Virginia.  They went to the NIT second round in his one year.  K-States success can more be attributed to Frank Martin.  He brought them to where they are now.

DevilPadres08 wrote:

DenverDevil wrote: 

ASU screwed up (hindsight) by not grabbing Huggins when we had the chance. We now have another "Huggins" opportunity. One look at the success Huggins brought to KState should be enough for ASU to at least sit down with Pearl and see if there is mutual interest and what type of man Bruce Pearl really is.

It wasn't really Huggins that brought success to K state.  He was there for one year then bolted for West Virginia.  They went to the NIT second round in his one year.  K-States success can more be attributed to Frank Martin.  He brought them to where they are now.

Huggins brought in the recruiting class that turned things around and Martin is a Huggins desciple.

DoxieDevil wrote: Pearl would be a program changer, he could actually put ASU on the National Scene in Hoops. Those who worry about his past would get a Coach who knows another screw up with the NCAA would be his last. Can't help but think of the talent he would bring to ASU year in and year out, not a Star every 5 years.
Wells Fargo would actually become a tough ticket and the program would make a huge jump in Revenue.
The guy would win... period. Doubt it will happen but get someone who can actually get Blue Chip Talent and it would be amazing. No reason ASU can't be a NCAA Tourney Team almost yearly.

DenverDevil wrote: Bruce Pearl

Big time proven winner who took two nobody's to elite status immediately.

He made a mistake which means that ASU could get him and could get him for probably what we're paying Sendek right now.

Pearl is also a "community" type of guy ala CTG. The fans in Tennessee loved him.

ASU screwed up (hindsight) by not grabbing Huggins when we had the chance. We now have another "Huggins" opportunity. One look at the success Huggins brought to KState should be enough for ASU to at least sit down with Pearl and see if there is mutual interest and what type of man Bruce Pearl really is.

Musselman may or may not be a great coach. We also have no idea what kind of recruiter he is as he either has had nothing to do with with very average incoming class or he simply isn't that good. I also agree that there is a danger of him moving back to the NBA, so he may not be a long term solution.

I doubt it would happen, but no question I would roll the dice with Pearl.  The worst that could happen is that he gets us on probation and we miss the tournament a few years...oh wait....

I would be on board with Bruce Pearl but the timing is not in our favor.  Sendek's $600K retention bonus kicks in on July 1, 2014 and Pearl is still under the "show cause" penalty until  August 23, 2014.  If it doesn't happen this year the logical time to get rid of Sendek would be at the conclusion of next season in April.  If Patterson doesn't want to deal with the "show cause" then ASU would be without a coach for four months.  I guess an interim coach could be named.  Anyway it is complicated.

devilaw1 wrote:

DevilPadres08 wrote:

DenverDevil wrote: 

ASU screwed up (hindsight) by not grabbing Huggins when we had the chance. We now have another "Huggins" opportunity. One look at the success Huggins brought to KState should be enough for ASU to at least sit down with Pearl and see if there is mutual interest and what type of man Bruce Pearl really is.

It wasn't really Huggins that brought success to K state.  He was there for one year then bolted for West Virginia.  They went to the NIT second round in his one year.  K-States success can more be attributed to Frank Martin.  He brought them to where they are now.

Huggins brought in the recruiting class that turned things around and Martin is a Huggins disciple.

Exactly. Huggins brought in the #1 recruiting class and the coach who replaced him.

Without the hire of Huggins, KState would not be where they are today.