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Should the non-Power 5 Conferences Move To Spring?

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Posted: 07/20/2014 12:42 PM

Should the non-Power 5 Conferences Move To Spring? 


I really like this idea. 

June Jones says the non-Power 5 conferences should move to playing in the Spring. Without radical change they will be left behind.

Why not? I think there would be a market for College Football in the Spring. Put some games on the Pac 12 Channel!

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Last edited 07/20/2014 12:45 PM by TheDevilSpawn

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Posted: 07/20/2014 12:59 PM

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While it is an idea, it isn't a really good one mainly because of money.  The Power 5 teams schedule a lot of non power 5 games and give them a pretty good payday.  You have to schedule them because you only get one BCS team a year to play and count.  Additionally, you can't have the power 5 teams cannibalize each other during the regular season.  As has been before, there are only so many games that Indiana can play out of conference. tongue
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Posted: 07/20/2014 12:59 PM

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Football is a fall sport, not a spring sport.  As much as I would like year round football I am still pretty much a traditionalist.  Ill watch the CFL and AFL in the Spring/Summer.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 1:21 PM

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DesertRat00 wrote:

While it is an idea, it isn't a really good one mainly because of money.  The Power 5 teams schedule a lot of non power 5 games and give them a pretty good payday.

ASU plays 2 scrimmages at the end of Spring football. Why not replace one of those scrimmage games with a real game against a non-Power 5 school?

We could fill up Sun Devil Stadium with an ASU vs BYU spring game!

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Posted: 07/20/2014 1:28 PM

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DesertRat00 wrote:

Additionally, you can't have the power 5 teams cannibalize each other during the regular season.

Isn't that what the NFL does?

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Posted: 07/20/2014 1:33 PM

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I am not an fan of either the power 5 or the rest changing their season to Spring.  I do like the idea of giving team 4 weeks of practice in the Spring.  During that time they can have their Spring game and schedule 2 scrimmage/promotional games against other schools.  2 gives you a chance to do one home and one away.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 3:25 PM

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TheDevilSpawn wrote:
DesertRat00 wrote:

While it is an idea, it isn't a really good one mainly because of money.  The Power 5 teams schedule a lot of non power 5 games and give them a pretty good payday.

ASU plays 2 scrimmages at the end of Spring football. Why not replace one of those scrimmage games with a real game against a non-Power 5 school?

We could fill up Sun Devil Stadium with an ASU vs BYU spring game!
Not a bad idea in general, but the question is, does this game count (at least for us)?  Otherwise, we would have a flood of BYU fans for our spring game which doesn't count for us, but for them, would be significantly more important.  IIRC, we got a bit more than 8500 fans for our spring game---does this mean that the remaining 57K+ that could fill the stadium would be BYU fans?

Now, back to the issue of money--how much do we give BYU for them to play a spring game at our house where it is likely that they have more fans watching than we do--how do other teams with significantly less clout than BYU get paychecks from big 5 teams for what is essentially a scrimmage for them?

I'm not saying that these obstacles are insurmountable--I am just stating that they are there and need to be addressed.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 3:49 PM

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Sun Devil Stadium is currently filled up maybe 7 times out of the year for football. So any additional opportunity to sell out the stadium is a huge revenue generator for the university.

If a Spring game is televised on ESPN, it means big paychecks for everybody. 

June Jone's idea could turn out to be a big success around the country. ASU could then rent out the stadium for a neutral site game. For example NAU vs Boise St.

Or rent it out as the site for a playoff game or championship game.

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Posted: 07/20/2014 4:06 PM

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You ever go to a USFL game back in the 80s?

I did. The New Jersey Generals had superstars like Hershel Walker and Doug Futie at qb. They had a millionaire owner with a big ego(Trump).

I remember going to a game at Giants Stadium, there was maybe 25K there, tops, in a stadium that holds 80K.

I just don't think football will work well in the spring.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 4:17 PM

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TheDashInn wrote:

You ever go to a USFL game back in the 80s?

That was a long time ago, when there were very few TV networks. Today there are around 20 TV networks that televise live sports.

Times have really changed. Currently there is a big demand for live televised sports. That's why we see sports franchises like the LA Clippers being sold for $2 Billion +.

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Posted: 07/20/2014 4:24 PM

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Jones is taking a lot of heat from the non-Power 5 commissioners.  I think his idea is to get dialogue started to make the non-Power 5 more relevant.  In the era of a college football playoff, those conferences will likely slip in to obscurity, even though they have "access".

Basically, what he is advocating is a separate league for the non-Power 5, that no longer interacts with the P5.  This would be a huge blow to non-P5 budgets.  I'm not sure there would be as large a market for these kind of games in the spring.  You'd then be competing with the NBA and March Madness.  This also would be a disaster for states in the North that have snow. 

At the end of the day, I think Jones is saying, "Do something to save our programs!"
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Posted: 07/20/2014 4:47 PM

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Most states in the North get more snow in the Fall than in the Spring, so that is not an issue.

Of course the football market is smaller in the Spring. But it has the potential to be a large football market in the Spring when competing with basketball and baseball. Given the choice, most people would prefer to watch a live college football game.

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Posted: 07/20/2014 4:59 PM

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OMG what an idiot; thank the lord we stopped that train from stopping here....

Using the USFL as a model for success?  WOW!  eek
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Posted: 07/20/2014 5:02 PM

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You could fill SD Stadium, but That BYU team would probably kick the living **** out of a 'spring ball ASU' team....

BYU and their 85 guys in midseason form; taking on a rag-tag group of say 55 scholarship ASU players after 3 weeks of practice with walkons in the mix?....

It's a novel idea; but not going to happen..... IF the mid-majors break off to start 'spring football' Division; it would be a separate division.


TheDevilSpawn wrote:
DesertRat00 wrote:

While it is an idea, it isn't a really good one mainly because of money.  The Power 5 teams schedule a lot of non power 5 games and give them a pretty good payday.

ASU plays 2 scrimmages at the end of Spring football. Why not replace one of those scrimmage games with a real game against a non-Power 5 school?

We could fill up Sun Devil Stadium with an ASU vs BYU spring game!
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Posted: 07/20/2014 5:16 PM

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picounion wrote:

You could fill SD Stadium, but That BYU team would probably kick the living **** out of a 'spring ball ASU' team....

Are you kidding me??? Any ASU football team will beat the holy snot out of BYU football at any time of the year!!!

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Posted: 07/20/2014 5:29 PM

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REALLY?!.... 

So, For instance.....the ASU spring football team this year....without the benefit of the 26 signee's for the 2014 class on the roster yet?....with walkons playing substantial minutes? without any idea who will start at Devil backer, and a couple of serious question marks on the Defensive Line....and a walkon playing WR opposite Jalen Strong; they would get on the field and beat a BYU team with 85 players, many of which are 24 year old men....??!!

ASU would be at the end of spring practice.... which is more about getting fundamentals finetuned; increasing individual football players; figuring out who can play out of your young players...NOT gameplanning, not heavy install of advanced plays for offense/defense... more about just getting better at the overall scheme's....

I dont' think so.... And you're completely clueless if you do.... Sure...  a spring ASU team with 50 players can molly wop Northern Arizona or Sacramento St. with a full squad in the middle of their season....but no chance in hell that happens vs BYU or Boise St. or someone like that.
TheDevilSpawn wrote:
picounion wrote:

You could fill SD Stadium, but That BYU team would probably kick the living **** out of a 'spring ball ASU' team....

Are you kidding me??? Any ASU football team will beat the holy snot out of BYU football at any time of the year!!!
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Posted: 07/20/2014 5:41 PM

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OK fine !!! flushed

We will just have to settle this on the field... IN THE SPRING!!!

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Posted: 07/21/2014 7:53 AM

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I would think this would hurt a lot of players chances of getting into the NFL. Can't go to combines or team practices. less game film for NFL coaches to review, etc.
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Posted: 07/21/2014 8:16 AM

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RoaringForkDevil wrote: Jones is taking a lot of heat from the non-Power 5 commissioners.  I think his idea is to get dialogue started to make the non-Power 5 more relevant.  In the era of a college football playoff, those conferences will likely slip in to obscurity, even though they have "access".

Basically, what he is advocating is a separate league for the non-Power 5, that no longer interacts with the P5.  This would be a huge blow to non-P5 budgets.  I'm not sure there would be as large a market for these kind of games in the spring.  You'd then be competing with the NBA and March Madness.  This also would be a disaster for states in the North that have snow. 

At the end of the day, I think Jones is saying, "Do something to save our programs!"
Jones is making a brilliant power play here and the other "not haves" better sit down and think about it.  

Right now the P5 is basically telling these lesser programs "We're going to break off from you because we want to bury you.  We don't want you sharing in our money, our bowl games, or being able to vote on rules.  We don't want you in our playoff and we don't want to give you a chance to win a championship, but oh, we do want to be able to schedule you guys to fill out our 12 games and make our fans happy"

Jones is playing the only card he has and that is "if you screw us, we're going to screw you by taking away your scheduling flexibility."

Someone mentioned that the NFL canibolizes itself by playing each other. But, the NFL has a structure set in place to force balance.  The salary cap prevents the Jets from recruiting like Alabama.  The draft allows small markets to get a franchise QB and hold onto him for 10 years.  

In the end, Jones probably doesn't really want to move to the spring.  He just wants to scare a couple P5 programs into wondering if they can have their cake and eat it too.
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Posted: 07/21/2014 11:02 AM

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Just leave college football alone already.  If the powers that be keep messing around with everything, it's just going to turn into a lower level NFL, like the AHL and other minor leagues in hockey for the NHL.  There is something special about college football, and all these greedy idiots have no clue what it is, all they care about is money.  I like the fact on any given saturday an Appalachian State can knock off Michigan or a Georgia Southern beats a Florida team that comes from the all mighty SEC.  Maybe Mr. Clive and his god's gift to football conference should just merge with the NFL already??
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