Free Trial Ad
Why Subscribe?
  • Player/Prospect News
  • Exclusive Insider Info
  • Members-Only Forums
  • Exclusive Videos
  • Subscribe Now!
InboxChat RoomChat Room (0 fans in chatroom)
Reply to TopicPost New Topic
  Page of 2  Next >

OT: Florida studies Sporting KC in attempt to improve attendance

Avatar

Posted: 07/17/2014 8:39 PM

OT: Florida studies Sporting KC in attempt to improve attendance 


http://online.wsj.com/articles...ccer-1405556573

Jim Collins said, "Good is the enemy of great," meaning that complacency obstructs growth.  The game experience for college football (as well as other major sports) has not improved significantly over the past few decades.  I think it's time for universities to pay less attention to counting TV revenue and more attention to meeting the fans' needs.  

Renovations to Sun Devil Stadium should address a lot of this, but things like slow game flow need to be examined closely.
Expand CFB playoffs to 8 teams!
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 07/17/2014 10:42 PM

Re: OT: Florida studies Sporting KC in attempt to improve attend 


It isn't that difficult at all. There are 2 choices.

1) Design the game experience for TV revenue

or

2) Design the game for the fans in the stadium

I'm young. I'm a hell of a good fan. I scream and cheer and yell. I'm all about "GO" "DEVILS", the 3 rings on 3rd down, and "That's another Sun Devil 1st Down!". I screamed so loud at the Pac-12 championship game that I had to cover my own ears and had one hell of a splitting head ache by the time Gaffney scooted down the west sideline for the 6-0 lead.

I can remember Suggs intercepting UCF. I can remember Heap tip toeing against UofA. I was there for the USC haboob and the Mizzou black out and even as far back as the Roger years. I'm not quite a Kush era man but damn it I've earned my stripes, and at SDS that means I know what a bleacher does to the back of a thigh when it is 115 and Oregon is kicking our ass.

And as hard core as I am, going to the stadium has a ton of drawbacks.

1) The seats suck
2) The guy next to me is always fat
3) The guy in front of me is always tall
4) The lady behind me always wants me to sit down
5) The food is ****
6) It's also over priced
7) The tickets are double what they were 10 years ago
8) The bathrooms are the worst this side of Coolidge
9) ASU couldn't do a worse job of covering games across the country if they tried. They should be showing highlights from other games on big screens and they don't even show scores.
10) It is hot as heck

I go to the games just to support the program. I would honestly rather be in my living room for the Weber State game.

But, I can deal with all of that. What I can't stand is the extra 45 minutes of standing around because of commercial breaks. If ASU would show highlights of games around the country I could handle it. But, I get so sick of nothing going on for an hour every game. Learn that from soccer.
Put Foster in the slot
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 07/17/2014 10:45 PM

Re: OT: Florida studies Sporting KC in attempt to improve 


rant.gif
Put Foster in the slot
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 07/17/2014 11:30 PM

Re: OT: Florida studies Sporting KC in attempt to improve 


Wow Tillman, that post was gold.
Expand CFB playoffs to 8 teams!
Reply | Quote

Posted: 07/18/2014 3:18 AM

Re: OT: Florida studies Sporting KC in attempt to improve attend 


Tillman - Have you shared your thoughts with the Athletic Department? They need to hear it over and over again until they actually do something. Everything you said is EASILY fixed (OK, perhaps not everything) ... but these things are no-brainers.
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 07/18/2014 5:53 AM

Re: OT: Florida studies Sporting KC in attempt to improve attend 


Hopefully the facility issues will be fixed with the renovations (might just take a while depending on your location in the stadium). The food will always be expensive, but there will likely be some changes for 2015.

Other than more score updates (I agree 100%), what would you like to see during breaks?

Kind of on-topic, has anyone used the ASU Athletics app (iPhone-only, unfortunately). I'd love to hear thoughts--likes, dislikes, desired features... Yes, it is out-of-date.
"Tontozona is the genesis for all the great ASU football teams." – Jeff Van Raaphorst 
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 07/18/2014 8:03 AM

Re: OT: Florida studies Sporting KC in attempt to improve attend 



TillmanTunnell wrote: It isn't that difficult at all. There are 2 choices.

1) Design the game experience for TV revenue

or

2) Design the game for the fans in the stadium

I'm young. I'm a hell of a good fan. I scream and cheer and yell. I'm all about "GO" "DEVILS", the 3 rings on 3rd down, and "That's another Sun Devil 1st Down!". I screamed so loud at the Pac-12 championship game that I had to cover my own ears and had one hell of a splitting head ache by the time Gaffney scooted down the west sideline for the 6-0 lead.

I can remember Suggs intercepting UCF. I can remember Heap tip toeing against UofA. I was there for the USC haboob and the Mizzou black out and even as far back as the Roger years. I'm not quite a Kush era man but damn it I've earned my stripes, and at SDS that means I know what a bleacher does to the back of a thigh when it is 115 and Oregon is kicking our ass.

And as hard core as I am, going to the stadium has a ton of drawbacks.

1) The seats suck
2) The guy next to me is always fat
3) The guy in front of me is always tall
4) The lady behind me always wants me to sit down
5) The food is ****
6) It's also over priced
7) The tickets are double what they were 10 years ago
8) The bathrooms are the worst this side of Coolidge
9) ASU couldn't do a worse job of covering games across the country if they tried. They should be showing highlights from other games on big screens and they don't even show scores.
10) It is hot as heck

I go to the games just to support the program. I would honestly rather be in my living room for the Weber State game.

But, I can deal with all of that. What I can't stand is the extra 45 minutes of standing around because of commercial breaks. If ASU would show highlights of games around the country I could handle it. But, I get so sick of nothing going on for an hour every game. Learn that from soccer.

Great post and I'd like to add one more. While we are standing around waiting for a ref decision, etc, SHOW THE DAMN REPLAY!

Nothing irritates me more than to be at the stadium, putting up with all of the downsides TT alluded too, and being clueless as to what is sometimes going on.
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit."  ~ Aristotle ~

"Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds you sow." ~ Robert Louis Stevenson ~

Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 07/18/2014 8:33 AM

Re: OT: Florida studies Sporting KC in attempt to improve attend 


Mike,
I was thinking that but just forgot to put it into the list. I'm actually pretty lucky because I have extended family that watches the games from home so I can text them. But, I text them probably dozens of times per game to find out what is going on because you are clueless at the stadium.

At the game you don't get to
- see replays
- hear the coach interviewed at half time
- get injury updates


Don't get me wrong. The games have a lot of redeeming qualities.
- Sparky stomping the bus
- the fireworks
- If I were at home would I see the Danny White shoulder surgery commercials? NO! ha
- The team running out of the tunnel
- The excitement of 65k fans after a TD
- getting to see the body language on the sideline
- The band is pretty cool and hats off to them!

But, every year tickets get more expensive, the commercials get longer, and the home TV experience becomes more attractive. Especially now that I do live out of state and it isn't just a 20 minute drive anymore but really an entire weekend.
Put Foster in the slot
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 07/18/2014 8:59 AM

Re: OT: Florida studies Sporting KC in attempt to improve attend 


I'm 95% confident that the lack of replays in-stadium is a PAC-12 rule. However, there might be a possibility of providing them through an app...

I usually bring a radio to help with the replays, injuries, and whatnot--Healey's got your back ;)
TillmanTunnell wrote: Mike,
I was thinking that but just forgot to put it into the list. I'm actually pretty lucky because I have extended family that watches the games from home so I can text them. But, I text them probably dozens of times per game to find out what is going on because you are clueless at the stadium.

At the game you don't get to
- see replays
- hear the coach interviewed at half time
- get injury updates
edit: Would anyone be interested in something like this?
"Tontozona is the genesis for all the great ASU football teams." – Jeff Van Raaphorst 

Last edited 07/18/2014 9:01 AM by dynamicsnail

Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 07/18/2014 9:13 AM

Re: OT: Florida studies Sporting KC in attempt to improve attend 



MiddleEastSunDevil wrote: Tillman - Have you shared your thoughts with the Athletic Department? They need to hear it over and over again until they actually do something. Everything you said is EASILY fixed (OK, perhaps not everything) ... but these things are no-brainers.
Not these, because I'm not sure what they can do about the people around me comments tongue, or the heat.

And I rarely have to even use the bathrooms because I sweat it all out anyway and I bring my own food.

But, what I would like to see is

1) Put the Pac-12 half time show on the big screen.  It is our network.  We have the rights to it.  They could even tape delay it 10 minutes, let the band do their thing, and then show it commercial free on the big screen.  This way we could hear injury updates.  We could hear coach interviews and half time speeches and see highlights from around the league.  We could also hear Neuheisel and Ronnie Lott break down the first half.  I would love those things

2) Instead of having the students stand outside the stadium for 2 hours before the game to get a decent seat, they could turn WFA into a pre game student hub where in an air conditioned building the students could reserve their place in line.  We could have 5k+ students there for the devil walk and Graham could say a few inspiring words and get everyone pumped.  Get the band playing.  Have student contests on the court like half time for the Suns games.  Sparky could be roaming around.  The 942 crew could spend 5 minutes doing the cheers and teaching tradition.  During slow times the Pac-12 network could be on the big screen over the court.

If you look at the pre game for our students now, standing in that line, in the heat, sucks.  And for some big games that process starts the night before.  We have WFA 10 feet away from that line where we have the ability to give our students and fans a tradition building experience.  But, instead, we have them standing there.

I don't get it.
Put Foster in the slot
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 07/18/2014 9:58 AM

Re: OT: Florida studies Sporting KC in attempt to improve attend 



TillmanTunnell wrote: Mike,
I was thinking that but just forgot to put it into the list. I'm actually pretty lucky because I have extended family that watches the games from home so I can text them. But, I text them probably dozens of times per game to find out what is going on because you are clueless at the stadium.


That's assuming of course that you are lucky enough to have cell coverage, etc where you sit. Mine seems to be a hit or miss situation. Add to the fact that as an aging, almost geezer, texting and still trying to watch what is going on can be frustrating for me. biggrin
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit."  ~ Aristotle ~

"Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds you sow." ~ Robert Louis Stevenson ~

Reply | Quote

Posted: 07/18/2014 8:55 PM

Re: OT: Florida studies Sporting KC in attempt to improve attend 


Double T, keep going! You are killing it in this thread. I thought your previous post with the list was the best, but this one is even better! ASU needs to make this happen!


---------------------------------------------
--- TillmanTunnell wrote:


MiddleEastSunDevil wrote: Tillman - Have you shared your thoughts with the Athletic Department? They need to hear it over and over again until they actually do something. Everything you said is EASILY fixed (OK, perhaps not everything) ... but these things are no-brainers.
Not these, because I'm not sure what they can do about the people around me comments tongue, or the heat.

And I rarely have to even use the bathrooms because I sweat it all out anyway and I bring my own food.

But, what I would like to see is

1) Put the Pac-12 half time show on the big screen.  It is our network.  We have the rights to it.  They could even tape delay it 10 minutes, let the band do their thing, and then show it commercial free on the big screen.  This way we could hear injury updates.  We could hear coach interviews and half time speeches and see highlights from around the league.  We could also hear Neuheisel and Ronnie Lott break down the first half.  I would love those things

2) Instead of having the students stand outside the stadium for 2 hours before the game to get a decent seat, they could turn WFA into a pre game student hub where in an air conditioned building the students could reserve their place in line.  We could have 5k+ students there for the devil walk and Graham could say a few inspiring words and get everyone pumped.  Get the band playing.  Have student contests on the court like half time for the Suns games.  Sparky could be roaming around.  The 942 crew could spend 5 minutes doing the cheers and teaching tradition.  During slow times the Pac-12 network could be on the big screen over the court.

If you look at the pre game for our students now, standing in that line, in the heat, sucks.  And for some big games that process starts the night before.  We have WFA 10 feet away from that line where we have the ability to give our students and fans a tradition building experience.  But, instead, we have them standing there.

I don't get it.

---------------------------------------------
Reply | Quote

Posted: 07/18/2014 11:52 PM

Re: OT: Florida studies Sporting KC in attempt to improve attend 


TT, absolutely on the mark.  i have been saying some ot these things for years.   So I have two responses to your post:
1)    ASU needs to do both-----If ASU does half of what you suggest it will be a great fan experience, and just as good on TV
2)    Just record the game and watch it when you get home.      My son and I attended every game (home and away) for 7 years back in the mid 90's to early 2000's and taped every game we could (not every game was televised at that time).   We literally would get home from the game and rewind the tape and then we would actually see the game.    For the home games we had good seats but the road games they put you in the end zone or worse, like USuC, where they put you behind the end zone stands.   
This way even though we missed the replays and the close-ups of plays and players, we got the game experience and the got to really see the game afterwards.   

Going to the game and supporting the program is ALWAYS more important than sitting at home!

Let's just hope someone from ASU is listening to you!  
TillmanTunnell wrote: It isn't that difficult at all. There are 2 choices.

1) Design the game experience for TV revenue

or

2) Design the game for the fans in the stadium

I'm young. I'm a hell of a good fan. I scream and cheer and yell. I'm all about "GO" "DEVILS", the 3 rings on 3rd down, and "That's another Sun Devil 1st Down!". I screamed so loud at the Pac-12 championship game that I had to cover my own ears and had one hell of a splitting head ache by the time Gaffney scooted down the west sideline for the 6-0 lead.

I can remember Suggs intercepting UCF. I can remember Heap tip toeing against UofA. I was there for the USC haboob and the Mizzou black out and even as far back as the Roger years. I'm not quite a Kush era man but damn it I've earned my stripes, and at SDS that means I know what a bleacher does to the back of a thigh when it is 115 and Oregon is kicking our ass.

And as hard core as I am, going to the stadium has a ton of drawbacks.

1) The seats suck
2) The guy next to me is always fat
3) The guy in front of me is always tall
4) The lady behind me always wants me to sit down
5) The food is ****
6) It's also over priced
7) The tickets are double what they were 10 years ago
8) The bathrooms are the worst this side of Coolidge
9) ASU couldn't do a worse job of covering games across the country if they tried. They should be showing highlights from other games on big screens and they don't even show scores.
10) It is hot as heck

I go to the games just to support the program. I would honestly rather be in my living room for the Weber State game.

But, I can deal with all of that. What I can't stand is the extra 45 minutes of standing around because of commercial breaks. If ASU would show highlights of games around the country I could handle it. But, I get so sick of nothing going on for an hour every game. Learn that from soccer.
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 07/19/2014 1:38 AM

Re: OT: Florida studies Sporting KC in attempt to improve attend 


PO,
Great point! Recording the game at home is a perfect idea.

To answer your question, I have sent a few ideas to ASU over the years and they have always been grateful for my emails and small donations. But, my honest opinion is that college athletics as a whole is moving away from the family of 5. They are moving away from the guy that buys tickets and donates a couple hundred dollars every year. They are more interested in TV revenue, corporate sponsors, and whale donors.

I think 20 years ago the average program wanted to sell 5 tickets to a family of 5 because that was securing tomorrows season ticket holders. But, today I don't think programs want to wait 20 years for jr to grow up and be a season ticket holder/donor. Today, AD's want their 5 tickets to go to 5 business men because they are potential donors right now.

The next time you are at SDS look around and see how many families of 4+ that you see. Maybe I'm just in the wrong section, but I can't remember seeing very many.
Put Foster in the slot
Reply | Quote

Posted: 07/19/2014 1:59 AM

Re: OT: Florida studies Sporting KC in attempt to improve 


You know what I have done in the past. Is bring headphones and a radio. Just put one piece in my ear and listen to the game on the radio as I watch it in the stadium. Then you also get all the discussion from on the radio during the downtime or replay.
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 07/19/2014 3:09 AM

Re: OT: Florida studies Sporting KC in attempt to improve attend 





---------------------------------------------
--- TillmanTunnell wrote:

PO,
Great point! Recording the game at home is a perfect idea.

To answer your question, I have sent a few ideas to ASU over the years and they have always been grateful for my emails and small donations. But, my honest opinion is that college athletics as a whole is moving away from the family of 5. They are moving away from the guy that buys tickets and donates a couple hundred dollars every year. They are more interested in TV revenue, corporate sponsors, and whale donors.

I think 20 years ago the average program wanted to sell 5 tickets to a family of 5 because that was securing tomorrows season ticket holders. But, today I don't think programs want to wait 20 years for jr to grow up and be a season ticket holder/donor. Today, AD's want their 5 tickets to go to 5 business men because they are potential donors right now.

The next time you are at SDS look around and see how many families of 4+ that you see. Maybe I'm just in the wrong section, but I can't remember seeing very many.

---------------------------------------------

You are spot on here as with your other posts. It is unfortunate that as of now they are only concerned about revenue and not the fans.

Case in point, my group of hard core devil fans numbered 17 strong. When Patterson was still here, they tripled the price of our season tickets.... We were near the top of the stadium on both sides of the isle in section 204 and 205. We had season tickets for many years until they went from $99 to $300. No,big deal if it were just me and a group of single guys, but we were a group of families that brought our kids along to hopefully become the next generation of Devil fans. Two years ago they priced all of us out of the market.

I actually emailed Patterson and told him he was screwing the average fan while seeking the almighty dollar. Actually got a nice reply that basically said sorry but we are going in a different direction and need the money to get there...with that, 17 season ticket holders didn't renew and we watched from home....some of the games as a group party. As we watched...we saw a close to half empty stadium game after game.

We had hope with the new PAC 12 Commissioner and the huge new TV contract that things might change....but nope...tickets in our old section are still to high for a family and the stadium remains with huge swaths of empty seats.

Would make so much more since to combine the new TV revenue and lower priced tickets to fill the stadium... But apparently they want both and 20-30K seats remain empty which actually costs them millions in potential additional revenue just from tix sales...not to mention millions more in food and other sales that come with going to the game.
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 07/19/2014 8:05 AM

Re: OT: Florida studies Sporting KC in attempt to improve attend 



DevilonDemand wrote:


---------------------------------------------
--- TillmanTunnell wrote:

PO,
Great point! Recording the game at home is a perfect idea.

To answer your question, I have sent a few ideas to ASU over the years and they have always been grateful for my emails and small donations. But, my honest opinion is that college athletics as a whole is moving away from the family of 5. They are moving away from the guy that buys tickets and donates a couple hundred dollars every year. They are more interested in TV revenue, corporate sponsors, and whale donors.

I think 20 years ago the average program wanted to sell 5 tickets to a family of 5 because that was securing tomorrows season ticket holders. But, today I don't think programs want to wait 20 years for jr to grow up and be a season ticket holder/donor. Today, AD's want their 5 tickets to go to 5 business men because they are potential donors right now.

The next time you are at SDS look around and see how many families of 4+ that you see. Maybe I'm just in the wrong section, but I can't remember seeing very many.

---------------------------------------------

You are spot on here as with your other posts. It is unfortunate that as of now they are only concerned about revenue and not the fans.

Case in point, my group of hard core devil fans numbered 17 strong. When Patterson was still here, they tripled the price of our season tickets.... We were near the top of the stadium on both sides of the isle in section 204 and 205. We had season tickets for many years until they went from $99 to $300. No,big deal if it were just me and a group of single guys, but we were a group of families that brought our kids along to hopefully become the next generation of Devil fans. Two years ago they priced all of us out of the market.

I actually emailed Patterson and told him he was screwing the average fan while seeking the almighty dollar. Actually got a nice reply that basically said sorry but we are going in a different direction and need the money to get there...with that, 17 season ticket holders didn't renew and we watched from home....some of the games as a group party. As we watched...we saw a close to half empty stadium game after game.

We had hope with the new PAC 12 Commissioner and the huge new TV contract that things might change....but nope...tickets in our old section are still to high for a family and the stadium remains with huge swaths of empty seats.

Would make so much more since to combine the new TV revenue and lower priced tickets to fill the stadium... But apparently they want both and 20-30K seats remain empty which actually costs them millions in potential additional revenue just from tix sales...not to mention millions more in food and other sales that come with going to the game.
Devilondemand,
I'm sorry to hear that happened to you and your family!  The truth is some of my best childhood memories with my dad were in the nose bleeds and south end zone of SDS because that's what we could afford.  And those nosebleed tickets were exciting to an 11 year old who thought he was going to play there in a few years hahha.  boy was I wrong.

It will be interesting to see what attendance looks like now that those seats have been removed in the NEZ upper deck.  I hope it fills up.  

To the credit of ASU, we are still relatively a great bargain when looking at other programs around the country.  I blame the overall movement of college football.
Put Foster in the slot

Last edited 07/19/2014 8:06 AM by TillmanTunnell

Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 07/19/2014 9:55 AM

Re: OT: Florida studies Sporting KC in attempt to improve 


1) Sell beer
2) See #1
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 07/19/2014 10:27 AM

Re: OT: Florida studies Sporting KC in attempt to improve attend 


I think all these will get fixed with the renovations so just hang on until 2017 and you will be happy.

I agree 100% with the scoreboard updates they are horrible and never more then the same 10 games.  Cell phone should help you out better there.

Its America 70% of this country is fat so you are out of luck there,  You got kids?  Do what I do and have them sit on each side of you.  Gives you tons of room.
TillmanTunnell wrote: It isn't that difficult at all. There are 2 choices.

1) Design the game experience for TV revenue

or

2) Design the game for the fans in the stadium

I'm young. I'm a hell of a good fan. I scream and cheer and yell. I'm all about "GO" "DEVILS", the 3 rings on 3rd down, and "That's another Sun Devil 1st Down!". I screamed so loud at the Pac-12 championship game that I had to cover my own ears and had one hell of a splitting head ache by the time Gaffney scooted down the west sideline for the 6-0 lead.

I can remember Suggs intercepting UCF. I can remember Heap tip toeing against UofA. I was there for the USC haboob and the Mizzou black out and even as far back as the Roger years. I'm not quite a Kush era man but damn it I've earned my stripes, and at SDS that means I know what a bleacher does to the back of a thigh when it is 115 and Oregon is kicking our ass.

And as hard core as I am, going to the stadium has a ton of drawbacks.

1) The seats suck
2) The guy next to me is always fat
3) The guy in front of me is always tall
4) The lady behind me always wants me to sit down
5) The food is ****
6) It's also over priced
7) The tickets are double what they were 10 years ago
8) The bathrooms are the worst this side of Coolidge
9) ASU couldn't do a worse job of covering games across the country if they tried. They should be showing highlights from other games on big screens and they don't even show scores.
10) It is hot as heck

I go to the games just to support the program. I would honestly rather be in my living room for the Weber State game.

But, I can deal with all of that. What I can't stand is the extra 45 minutes of standing around because of commercial breaks. If ASU would show highlights of games around the country I could handle it. But, I get so sick of nothing going on for an hour every game. Learn that from soccer.


Bear Down on this!!!  41-34 and 58-21 'nuff said
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 07/19/2014 11:04 AM

Re: OT: Florida studies Sporting KC in attempt to improve attend 


Stadium seats helps with the guy next to you problem. So hopefully the renovation will help.
Put Foster in the slot
Reply | Quote
Reply to TopicPost New Topic
  Page of 2  Next >