Free Trial Ad
Why Subscribe?
  • Player/Prospect News
  • Exclusive Insider Info
  • Members-Only Forums
  • Exclusive Videos
  • Subscribe Now!
InboxChat RoomChat Room (0 fans in chatroom)
Reply to TopicPost New Topic
  Page of 2  Next >

ASU has the least returning starters

Avatar

Posted: 06/22/2014 8:18 PM

ASU has the least returning starters 


ESPN's blog guys did an evaluation of the number of returning starters

What surprised me, is ASU had the fewest at 10. This includes 2 on special teams, 2 on defense and 6 on offense.

We took a bigger hit on starters than most recognize. I think the starters we have coming back are top notch, but it's not as easy to over look the talent drain we have as most think.

I believe Graham and company are the real deal when it comes to coaching, so I expect them to over come this loss of talent, but I would not be surprised if we take a significant hit in the win column.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Representing ASU in the Roaring Fork Valley!
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 06/22/2014 9:48 PM

Re: ASU has the least returning starters 


This will be a huge year in defining what kind of coach Todd Graham is. If he can find a way to win 8 or more games with the inexperience on his roster, I'd have to consider him one of the top 3 or 4 coaches in the conference.
HodeASU is my hero. Todd Graham is who I aspire to be.
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 06/22/2014 11:11 PM

Re: ASU has the least returning starters 



zonacat00 wrote: This will be a huge year in defining what kind of coach Todd Graham is. If he can find a way to win 8 or more games with the inexperience on his roster, I'd have to consider him one of the top 3 or 4 coaches in the conference.
I'm guessing you think RR's success in the Big East is more impressive than Graham's success in the Pac-12.

Right now it's

Top Tier
Shaw - This will be a huge year for him.  Replaces a lot.

2nd Tier
Graham 
Mora 

3rd tier
Helfriech 
Rich Rod - still waiting for 1st winning season in the Pac
Peterson Some would place him higher, but he would be the first Boise coach to be any good outside of the WAC so he needs to prove it
Leach - Some might think this is high, but he got WSU to a bowl game in year 2.  Nothing to sneeze at
Riley

4th tier
Sark
Whittingham - I actually think that he would be much higher if he were at a better program, but I think his career is in a nose dive right now.
Mac - I want to put him higher on the list, but his recruiting class this past year was terrible.  Facility upgrades coming though so there is light at the end of the tunnel.

5th tier
Dykes
Put Foster in the slot
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 06/23/2014 12:42 AM

Re: ASU has the least returning starters 



TillmanTunnell wrote:
zonacat00 wrote: This will be a huge year in defining what kind of coach Todd Graham is. If he can find a way to win 8 or more games with the inexperience on his roster, I'd have to consider him one of the top 3 or 4 coaches in the conference.
I'm guessing you think RR's success in the Big East is more impressive than Graham's success in the Pac-12.

Right now it's

Top Tier
Shaw - This will be a huge year for him.  Replaces a lot.

2nd Tier
Graham 
Mora 

3rd tier
Helfriech 
Rich Rod - still waiting for 1st winning season in the Pac
Peterson Some would place him higher, but he would be the first Boise coach to be any good outside of the WAC so he needs to prove it
Leach - Some might think this is high, but he got WSU to a bowl game in year 2.  Nothing to sneeze at
Riley

4th tier
Sark
Whittingham - I actually think that he would be much higher if he were at a better program, but I think his career is in a nose dive right now.
Mac - I want to put him higher on the list, but his recruiting class this past year was terrible.  Facility upgrades coming though so there is light at the end of the tunnel.

5th tier
Dykes
I don't think there's really any way to rank coaches who have only been around for three years or less. 

It's clearly David Shaw at the top, but after that, it's difficult to put one coach above another. 

Mora, Graham, Rich Rod, Sark, Riley, Petersen, and Leach all are about neck and neck, depending on how you look at it. Mora and Graham have had recent success but have yet to play with their own players. It's not fair to discount Rich Rod's success at WVU or Petersen's success at Boise. Sark built Washington back into a respectable program from the just a few years ago when they were winless. Riley has been very consistent and works with a very difficult recruiting disadvantage to Oregon. And Leach was a wonder at Texas Tech. 

Dykes, Whittingham, and Mac have a lot to prove. And Helfrich has started out very well.
HodeASU is my hero. Todd Graham is who I aspire to be.
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 06/23/2014 4:55 AM

Re: ASU has the least returning starters 


ASU also had the fewest returning starters in the Pac during Grahams first year here.
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 06/23/2014 5:53 AM

Re: ASU has the least returning starters 



sparky29 wrote: ASU also had the fewest returning starters in the Pac during Grahams first year here.
Bingo! winner winner chicken dinner...
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 06/23/2014 5:57 AM

Re: ASU has the least returning starters 





---------------------------------------------
--- sparky29 wrote:

ASU also had the fewest returning starters in the Pac during Grahams first year here.

---------------------------------------------

Correct. Colorado has the second most returning starters tied with UCLA with 17. Do I expect CU to clean up shop. No way. But UCLA having most of their team from last year coming back is noticeable.

USC has the most returning starters at 18, which is also a huge deal.

ASU with 10 returning starters is a huge hit, because if you look around the conference, everyone else has at least 14 starters coming back. But as you said above, Graham's first year here doesn't have me terribly concerned about this stat.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Representing ASU in the Roaring Fork Valley!
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 06/23/2014 5:57 AM

Re: ASU has the least returning starters 


This is what I don't understand about UA fans.

1) When we talk about recruiting, they all try to hammer Todd Graham for bringing in so many JC guys because it's a quick fix. But, when he wins with them, they then act like he didn't recruit them and they were already on the roster when he got here.

And then to act like Shaw is winning with his players is just not factual.
Put Foster in the slot
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 06/23/2014 7:35 AM

Re: ASU has the least returning starters 


The new blood on the offensive line is a good thing and some of these freak we are releasing on defense are gonna be fun to watch!
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 06/23/2014 8:37 AM

Re: ASU has the least returning starters 



TillmanTunnell wrote: This is what I don't understand about UA fans.

1) When we talk about recruiting, they all try to hammer Todd Graham for bringing in so many JC guys because it's a quick fix. But, when he wins with them, they then act like he didn't recruit them and they were already on the roster when he got here.

And then to act like Shaw is winning with his players is just not factual.
Shaw has been with Stanford since 2007. The players on the roster might as well as be his.
HodeASU is my hero. Todd Graham is who I aspire to be.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 06/23/2014 8:53 AM

Re: ASU has the least returning starters 



zonacat00 wrote: This will be a huge year in defining what kind of coach Todd Graham is. If he can find a way to win 8 or more games with the inexperience on his roster, I'd have to consider him one of the top 3 or 4 coaches in the conference.
Top 3 or 4, please. Blow it out your basckside. He's already top 3 or 4. If the team wins more than 8 games next year, he would be in a tie for top 2.

I'd be more concerned with what kind of garbage your "fun bus" coach plops on the field next year. Your program is a joke.
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 06/23/2014 9:21 AM

Re: ASU has the least returning starters 



zonacat00 wrote:
TillmanTunnell wrote: This is what I don't understand about UA fans.

1) When we talk about recruiting, they all try to hammer Todd Graham for bringing in so many JC guys because it's a quick fix. But, when he wins with them, they then act like he didn't recruit them and they were already on the roster when he got here.

And then to act like Shaw is winning with his players is just not factual.
Shaw has been with Stanford since 2007. The players on the roster might as well as be his.
Nah,
They might as well be Harbaugh's.

This will be the year for the most part Shaw can claim the roster.
Put Foster in the slot
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 06/23/2014 11:39 AM

Re: ASU has the least returning starters 



TillmanTunnell wrote:
zonacat00 wrote:
TillmanTunnell wrote: This is what I don't understand about UA fans.

1) When we talk about recruiting, they all try to hammer Todd Graham for bringing in so many JC guys because it's a quick fix. But, when he wins with them, they then act like he didn't recruit them and they were already on the roster when he got here.

And then to act like Shaw is winning with his players is just not factual.
Shaw has been with Stanford since 2007. The players on the roster might as well as be his.
Nah,
They might as well be Harbaugh's.

This will be the year for the most part Shaw can claim the roster.
Shaw recruited, coached, and mentored every single player on this years Rose Bowl team from the first time they stepped on campus. 

They're his guys.
HodeASU is my hero. Todd Graham is who I aspire to be.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 06/23/2014 12:46 PM

Re: ASU has the least returning starters 



zonacat00 wrote:
TillmanTunnell wrote:
zonacat00 wrote:
TillmanTunnell wrote: This is what I don't understand about UA fans.

1) When we talk about recruiting, they all try to hammer Todd Graham for bringing in so many JC guys because it's a quick fix. But, when he wins with them, they then act like he didn't recruit them and they were already on the roster when he got here.

And then to act like Shaw is winning with his players is just not factual.
Shaw has been with Stanford since 2007. The players on the roster might as well as be his.
Nah,
They might as well be Harbaugh's.

This will be the year for the most part Shaw can claim the roster.
Shaw recruited, coached, and mentored every single player on this years Rose Bowl team from the first time they stepped on campus. 

They're his guys.
Why do you care? You aren't playing them.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 06/23/2014 12:52 PM

Re: ASU has the least returning starters 





---------------------------------------------
--- LargerParcel wrote:


zonacat00 wrote: This will be a huge year in defining what kind of coach Todd Graham is. If he can find a way to win 8 or more games with the inexperience on his roster, I'd have to consider him one of the top 3 or 4 coaches in the conference.
Top 3 or 4, please. Blow it out your basckside. He's already top 3 or 4. If the team wins more than 8 games next year, he would be in a tie for top 2.

I'd be more concerned with what kind of garbage your "fun bus" coach plops on the field next year. Your program is a joke.

---------------------------------------------

Wow Damian a little touchy I see. Graham has never won a big game in his career. Granted he's beat us twice and UCLA so those are some good wins, but he's now 0-3 in CCG and got blown out by a Tread Tech team who was a 22 point underdog. Once again I'll hold judgement on him for another year or two
Reply | Quote

Posted: 06/23/2014 12:59 PM

Re: ASU has the least returning starters 



Catinfl wrote:


---------------------------------------------
--- LargerParcel wrote:


zonacat00 wrote: This will be a huge year in defining what kind of coach Todd Graham is. If he can find a way to win 8 or more games with the inexperience on his roster, I'd have to consider him one of the top 3 or 4 coaches in the conference.
Top 3 or 4, please. Blow it out your basckside. He's already top 3 or 4. If the team wins more than 8 games next year, he would be in a tie for top 2.

I'd be more concerned with what kind of garbage your "fun bus" coach plops on the field next year. Your program is a joke.

---------------------------------------------

Wow Damian a little touchy I see. Graham has never won a big game in his career. Granted he's beat us twice and UCLA so those are some good wins, but he's now 0-3 in CCG and got blown out by a Tread Tech team who was a 22 point underdog. Once again I'll hold judgement on him for another year or two
Not really. Just a little tired w/ the two of you constantly trying to stir the pot. You don't add anything otherwise.

I'll bet you'll withold judgment/comparison until your (joke of a) coach wins. It's how you rats roll.
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 06/23/2014 1:06 PM

Re: ASU has the least returning starters 



zonacat00 wrote:
TillmanTunnell wrote:
zonacat00 wrote:
TillmanTunnell wrote: This is what I don't understand about UA fans.

1) When we talk about recruiting, they all try to hammer Todd Graham for bringing in so many JC guys because it's a quick fix. But, when he wins with them, they then act like he didn't recruit them and they were already on the roster when he got here.

And then to act like Shaw is winning with his players is just not factual.
Shaw has been with Stanford since 2007. The players on the roster might as well as be his.
Nah,
They might as well be Harbaugh's.

This will be the year for the most part Shaw can claim the roster.
Shaw recruited, coached, and mentored every single player on this years Rose Bowl team from the first time they stepped on campus. 

They're his guys.
There is information on the web if you know where to look that will tell you which coach was the lead recruiter for certain players.  

You can either try to find it and see for yourself that you don't know what you are talking about, or you can just trust me when I say that you don't know what you are talking about.  

Shaw was not the lead recruiter for many of the Stanford players and as the OC can hardly be given credit for the development of guys like Skov, Murphy etc.
Put Foster in the slot
Reply | Quote

Posted: 06/23/2014 1:07 PM

Re: ASU has the least returning starters 


actually the first cat to post said this will be a telling season for graham since ASU is replacing so much. I 100% agree. However, someone pointed out in Grahams first year he lost about the same amount of starters and exeeded expecations. I think that was the year ASU was tabbed 5th in the South, ahead of only Colorado. Yes, ASU got trounced by Stanford twice last year, but at least ASU was in the position to suceed.

The telling game will be this year when ASU goes to Tucson and Graham goes 3-0 against ua. Tucson will be in full melt down mode. Will the excuses for RR finally cease? Both coaches seemed to inherit very similar circumstances. The records prove who has done better, up to this point.

I still think RR was a very good hire, but at this point Graham seems to be the better choice.
Catinfl wrote:


---------------------------------------------
--- LargerParcel wrote:


zonacat00 wrote: This will be a huge year in defining what kind of coach Todd Graham is. If he can find a way to win 8 or more games with the inexperience on his roster, I'd have to consider him one of the top 3 or 4 coaches in the conference.
Top 3 or 4, please. Blow it out your basckside. He's already top 3 or 4. If the team wins more than 8 games next year, he would be in a tie for top 2.

I'd be more concerned with what kind of garbage your "fun bus" coach plops on the field next year. Your program is a joke.

---------------------------------------------

Wow Damian a little touchy I see. Graham has never won a big game in his career. Granted he's beat us twice and UCLA so those are some good wins, but he's now 0-3 in CCG and got blown out by a Tread Tech team who was a 22 point underdog. Once again I'll hold judgement on him for another year or two
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 06/23/2014 1:39 PM

Re: ASU has the least returning starters 



zonacat00 wrote: This will be a huge year in defining what kind of coach Todd Graham is. If he can find a way to win 8 or more games with the inexperience on his roster, I'd have to consider him one of the top 3 or 4 coaches in the conference.
Do you award a trophy for this distinction?  I'm sure CTG will place it right next to the one he got for PAC 12 Coach of the Year....
Ball So Hard University
Reply | Quote

Posted: 06/23/2014 2:07 PM

Re: ASU has the least returning starters 


Counting returning starters is the currency of lazy minded football analysis!

Returning starters is not a meaningless number, but much less important than some think!
Reply | Quote
Reply to TopicPost New Topic
  Page of 2  Next >