Just about every time we go up against these schools for a recruit (even ones in our own backyard) we lose. Kind of getting old.

Lower yr expectations.....i have spent years trying to make sense of it..point is we are not what we think we are.

CDMDEVIL wrote: Just about every time we go up against these schools for a recruit (even ones in our own backyard) we lose. Kind of getting old.

Well, under DE and DK we didn't go against those schools as we were busy beating out Idaho, New Mexico State and Eastern Wyoming U for recruits.

1. We have elite kids looking at us now. We didn't get a lot of them this time but we were in many of their final two choices.

2. The class we do have is pretty solid when you look at the individual player offers. A lot of big time programs in there that we did beat out even if the kids weren't ranked as a 4 or 5 star.

3. If ASU has a big season you can bet that we'll have a big time recruiting class.

4. I truly believe that CTG did miscalculate and made some serious recruiting mistakes as far as his plan of attack. That being said, I have NO DOUBT that CTG is going to take what he's learned, re-evaluate his plan and re-focus for next year.

And now we just lost our highest rated recruit not to Georgia, LSU, or Alabama but crappy UT.

Biggest one was only recruiting Dobbs.

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CDMDEVIL wrote: Just about every time we go up against these schools for a recruit (even ones in our own backyard) we lose. Kind of getting old.

Well, under DE and DK we didn't go against those schools as we were busy beating out Idaho, New Mexico State and Eastern Wyoming U for recruits.

1. We have elite kids looking at us now. We didn't get a lot of them this time but we were in many of their final two choices.

2. The class we do have is pretty solid when you look at the individual player offers. A lot of big time programs in there that we did beat out even if the kids weren't ranked as a 4 or 5 star.

3. If ASU has a big season you can bet that we'll have a big time recruiting class.

4. I truly believe that CTG did miscalculate and made some serious recruiting mistakes as far as his plan of attack. That being said, I have NO DOUBT that CTG is going to take what he's learned, re-evaluate his plan and re-focus for next year.

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RoaringForkDevil wrote: Biggest one was only recruiting Dobbs.

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--- DenverDevil wrote:

CDMDEVIL wrote: Just about every time we go up against these schools for a recruit (even ones in our own backyard) we lose. Kind of getting old.

Well, under DE and DK we didn't go against those schools as we were busy beating out Idaho, New Mexico State and Eastern Wyoming U for recruits.

1. We have elite kids looking at us now. We didn't get a lot of them this time but we were in many of their final two choices.

2. The class we do have is pretty solid when you look at the individual player offers. A lot of big time programs in there that we did beat out even if the kids weren't ranked as a 4 or 5 star.

3. If ASU has a big season you can bet that we'll have a big time recruiting class.

4. I truly believe that CTG did miscalculate and made some serious recruiting mistakes as far as his plan of attack. That being said, I have NO DOUBT that CTG is going to take what he's learned, re-evaluate his plan and re-focus for next year.

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Ehh. We went after Dobbs and Bruggman. Once Bruggman made it clear he wanted out of AZ we grabbed Dobbs.

I'd say the biggest issue, as many others have stated, is trying to recruit nationally rather than focus in areas where ASU traditionally had developed relationships closer to home.

Dobbs chose UT and it should be clear he chose them purely because they are close to home and family. We just need to develop that type of following with a guy like Allen for next season.

Where has all of Washington's solid recruiting since Sarkesian's had started a full recruiting cycle got them?

11th in '10
22nd in '11
22nd in '12
12th today

Yet it's been a three straight 7-6 seasons and blowout losses to the Ducks every year.

CDMDEVIL wrote: Just about every time we go up against these schools for a recruit (even ones in our own backyard) we lose. Kind of getting old.

Whiny threads like this are getting old.

The majority of our best players (over time, going back to Kush) have been guys that were overlooked by bigger programs. I want the Suggs, Fosters, etc. other highly recruited talent, but I'm not going to denigrate the "25th man" that Snyder took a flyer on, Plummer (we beat WSU-whoopee), or any of the other talented but less heralded recruits that any of our coaches have offered to be Sun Devils.

We have challenges when it comes to going up against some of these schools (e.g. USC - weather, media, tradition, opportunity for big bowls and national exposure on a routine basis) and that's simply a fact. Until we can find some other hook (see Oregon + Nike $$) we're going to have to be happy with a lower chance at getting some players being recruited by Oregon or the LA schools and work hard to make that a 40/60 proposition, 50/50 or better with local recruits.

dshumm wrote:

CDMDEVIL wrote: Just about every time we go up against these schools for a recruit (even ones in our own backyard) we lose. Kind of getting old.

Whiny threads like this are getting old.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Heh - This ^^^^^^^^^^^

Although I can hardly express the sentiment as I frequent the site less than I used to, and thus, am not exposed to the whining as much.

CatsbyAZ wrote: Where has all of Washington's solid recruiting since Sarkesian's had started a full recruiting cycle got them?

11th in '10
22nd in '11
22nd in '12
12th today

Yet it's been a three straight 7-6 seasons and blowout losses to the Ducks every year.

I'd put Kiffin in the same boat (just starting, but it's starting). You can be a great recruiter, but you can also be an AWFUL coach that won't get the most out of players.

I think in that respect RR and CTG have done an excellent job in their 1st year.

dshumm wrote:

CDMDEVIL wrote: Just about every time we go up against these schools for a recruit (even ones in our own backyard) we lose. Kind of getting old.

Whiny threads like this are getting old.

agree.

Denver made some great points. ASU was "in" on a lot of big name recruits this year. I am not looking for moral victories, but someone seeing ASU finish 8-5 last year is probably not that impressed. The attitude and culture is chaning. If ASU can some how win 10 games in 2013 I think we see a top 15 class next year.

+1

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--- dshumm wrote:

CDMDEVIL wrote: Just about every time we go up against these schools for a recruit (even ones in our own backyard) we lose. Kind of getting old.

Whiny threads like this are getting old.

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> I'm tired of losing every recruiting battle vs OU, UCLA, USC, UW

So am I but it doesn't change anything.  We got some good kids in the class.  Would I have liked more?  Sure!  The problem is that we're not OU, UCLA, USC, or even U-Dub.  Not yet anyway.  It will come but anyone who honestly expected us to be lights out after one good year was kidding themselves.  Its a process.

theoriginalsundevil4life wrote: > I'm tired of losing every recruiting battle vs OU, UCLA, USC, UW

So am I but it doesn't change anything.  We got some good kids in the class.  Would I have liked more?  Sure!  The problem is that we're not OU, UCLA, USC, or even U-Dub.  Not yet anyway.  It will come but anyone who honestly expected us to be lights out after one good year was kidding themselves.  Its a process.

It is a process and winning cures all, however that doesn't excuse the performance this year. Our staff got worked, hard. Its not due to a lack of effort but overestimating what they are capable of I think. We need to drop the national recruiting strategy and focus on the areas ASU has had success with. We need 1-2 top notch west coast recruiters yesterday. Sark is 26-25 at Washington following 3 7-6 seasons and two bowl losses. The disparity from the quality of their class to ours should not be near as huge as it is. Recruiters build UWs class, yet the coaching doesn't exist to win with the recruits. We appear to have the coaching but are hurting in the recruiting aspect. It needs to get sorted.

AtomicDevil wrote:

theoriginalsundevil4life wrote: > I'm tired of losing every recruiting battle vs OU, UCLA, USC, UW

So am I but it doesn't change anything.  We got some good kids in the class.  Would I have liked more?  Sure!  The problem is that we're not OU, UCLA, USC, or even U-Dub.  Not yet anyway.  It will come but anyone who honestly expected us to be lights out after one good year was kidding themselves.  Its a process.

It is a process and winning cures all, however that doesn't excuse the performance this year. Our staff got worked, hard. Its not due to a lack of effort but overestimating what they are capable of I think. We need to drop the national recruiting strategy and focus on the areas ASU has had success with. We need 1-2 top notch west coast recruiters yesterday. Sark is 26-25 at Washington following 3 7-6 seasons and two bowl losses. The disparity from the quality of their class to ours should not be near as huge as it is. Recruiters build UWs class, yet the coaching doesn't exist to win with the recruits. We appear to have the coaching but are hurting in the recruiting aspect. It needs to get sorted.

disagree with this. got a good amount of LA and TX kids in this class. If anything I would hope CTG can keep broadening the base. CA is always going to be the sweet spot, but no reason ASU can't recruit nationally.

CDMDEVIL wrote: Just about every time we go up against these schools for a recruit (even ones in our own backyard) we lose. Kind of getting old.

It's very old. But that's what happens when some schools care about competing at football, and others, deep down, don't.

If ASU wanted to recruit better, they could. I just think ASU doesn't care enough to put in the extra extra effort required to beat the established schools both on the recruiting trail, and on the field.

+1 for the. Commie

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Where has all of Washington's solid recruiting since Sarkesian's had started a full recruiting cycle got them?

11th in '10
22nd in '11
22nd in '12
12th today

Yet it's been a three straight 7-6 seasons and blowout losses to the Ducks every year.

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TheAntiCrow wrote:

CDMDEVIL wrote: Just about every time we go up against these schools for a recruit (even ones in our own backyard) we lose. Kind of getting old.

It's very old. But that's what happens when some schools care about competing at football, and others, deep down, don't.

If ASU wanted to recruit better, they could. I just think ASU doesn't care enough to put in the extra extra effort required to beat the established schools both on the recruiting trail, and on the field.

what could ASU (the school) do differently?   I don't have an issue with what you are saying, but provide some solutions/examples of how ASU really does not care and what they could do. How do they not care enough?

IMO if more fans/alumni stepped up and gave money (we are very bad at this) that would help more than anything else. Take a look at the top programs and they all have great fan support that donate big $$$. I think instead of us always blaming the school we need to start putting some blame on the fans.

OGdevil wrote:
but no reason ASU can't recruit nationally.

There is a reason. It's called money. There was a thread posted here the other day. Looks like ASU is one of the cheapest schools in the BCS when it comes to recruiting budget, unless I read the numbers wrong.

If ASU is going to continue being cheap with recruiting, then they have to stay in AZ/CA/southwest. It sucks enough having AZ and CA kids tell us No, but it'll suck more when we go to places such as... say... Georgia, spend the extra money to recruit there, then have their recruits tell us No.