The stats that I care about are not the stats against bad teams like NAU, Illinios, WSU, etc, I'd like to see his stats against good teams. Just like Threet racked up stats against bad teams and stunk agaist good teams. But, I really don't care about stats,  3rd down conversion percent is key because it shows your QB can keep a drive alive not Comp %, and avoding INTs or Fumbles is key, after that you can worry about yards and TDs.

Eubank vs Kelly is really a no brainer, all I have to do is play the Oregon, UCLA, Oregon St, and USC games back and see with my own eyes Kelly can't win against good teams. Marion Grice and our D won the Arizona game, and Navy and WSU were just bad teams. Not saying Eubank would have done better than kelly (although I think his upside is way higher), but saying to stick with what did not work is bad.

The question is not if you can beat the bad teams, The question is can you beat the teams that are above you. Graham dropped the ball and kept Kelly the starter. I liked everything Graham did to that point, once he stuck to his guns and did not risk the QB change, he lost my respect. We'll see what happens. But Dobbs looking around, has alot to do with ASU living the Danny White dream instead of the Colin Kaepernick reality.

If Harbaugh looked at Stats,

70.2% completion percent with 1,737  and 13 td and 5 Ints in 10 games...in 2012

Alex Smith would still be the starting Qb of 49ers and they'd be home again, because Alex Smith was  1 for 13 on 3rd down conversions when it mattered in the NFC Championshp game last year.

Here is when I knew Kelly is Fools Gold....Rick Neuheisel loved him as much as Kevin Prince.

ASU quarterback Taylor Kelly: "For Taylor Kelly to come as far as he’s come, being considered the third of the three candidates in the spring, is one of the great stories in the conference this year. It’s not an accident; he’s played terrifically. You worried a little bit about him on the road and what that will do to his confidence after the Missouri game, because there were some chances to win that game with better throws and better decisions.  But I think he came back and had a great game against Cal, especially when Cal cut the deficit to 3 and he went right down the field for a touchdown. And against, Colorado, who is outmanned right now, he showed he hasn’t slowed down. His numbers at home have been astronomical. If he has any kind of game and gets that crowd revved up, I think he’ll have a chance to re-create history. They’ll be calling him ‘Jake the Snake’ Kelly."

The outcome: "I’m not ruling the Sun Devils out by any stretch of the imagination. They’re a really good team. I think the nation hasn’t given them the credit they deserve, partially because of the loss at Missouri and then Missouri’s subsequent failures, but I think ASU has got everything they need to be successful in this kind of game. … I’m taking ASU."

Sundevilnation wrote: Regardless of his skill set, he appears to be the best option we have at QB. I love that Norvell played to his strengths and minimized his weakness, that is a sign of a good coach as most players at every level need to be put in positions to shine at what they do best. How much more so with young inexperienced QBs which is what we would have had this year no matter who started.

DevilSinceMisConception wrote:

. But Dobbs looking around, has alot to do with ASU living the Danny White dream instead of the Colin Kaepernick reality. 

I don't know what you mean? You bring up a high school QB who is being recruited by ASU, an ex ASU QB from the 70's, and a current NFL QB for the 49ers. Help me make the connection between them?  Then you point out Smith 2012's stats compared with a 2011 game.

Second, how long has Smith played in the NFL now?  How many years of experience does he have (including college)?  You can't compare his situation to a Kelly.

I think you may be missing my point.  My point is this.  Taylor Kelly was a Sophomore this year, without any playing time experience as a freshman.  He put those numbers up with that lack of experience and the lack of quality WR's.  

Does he have room to improve.  Sure he does.  But when compared to where Jake Plummer, Andrew Walter, and Brock were at his age, there is a chance at a bright future with him.

And if I recall, people were beginning to question Graham putting ME in games, because it seemed Kelly was on a roll and ME would come in and we would lose that momentum.  I thought the game plan there towards the end of the season worked out.  Kelly is the QB and played the game.  It situations of short yardage or goal line, ME came in.  It worked.  Where as the beginning of the season it seemed like they were trying to give ME more snaps during the games.

Now I also want to be clear.  I am not trying to diminish ME with this thread, but point out I think we have something good with Kelly. 

sjpIV wrote:

DevilSinceMisConception wrote:

. But Dobbs looking around, has alot to do with ASU living the Danny White dream instead of the Colin Kaepernick reality. 

I don't know what you mean? You bring up a high school QB who is being recruited by ASU, an ex ASU QB from the 70's, and a current NFL QB for the 49ers. Help me make the connection between them?  Then you point out Smith 2012's stats compared with a 2011 game.

Second, how long has Smith played in the NFL now?  How many years of experience does he have (including college)?  You can't compare his situation to a Kelly.

I think you may be missing my point.  My point is this.  Taylor Kelly was a Sophomore this year, without any playing time experience as a freshman.  He put those numbers up with that lack of experience and the lack of quality WR's.  

Does he have room to improve.  Sure he does.  But when compared to where Jake Plummer, Andrew Walter, and Brock were at his age, there is a chance at a bright future with him.

And if I recall, people were beginning to question Graham putting ME in games, because it seemed Kelly was on a roll and ME would come in and we would lose that momentum.  I thought the game plan there towards the end of the season worked out.  Kelly is the QB and played the game.  It situations of short yardage or goal line, ME came in.  It worked.  Where as the beginning of the season it seemed like they were trying to give ME more snaps during the games.

Now I also want to be clear.  I am not trying to diminish ME with this thread, but point out I think we have something good with Kelly. 

sjpIV wrote:

DevilSinceMisConception wrote:

. But Dobbs looking around, has alot to do with ASU living the Danny White dream instead of the Colin Kaepernick reality. 

I don't know what you mean? You bring up a high school QB who is being recruited by ASU, an ex ASU QB from the 70's, and a current NFL QB for the 49ers. Help me make the connection between them?  Then you point out Smith 2012's stats compared with a 2011 game.

Second, how long has Smith played in the NFL now?  How many years of experience does he have (including college)?  You can't compare his situation to a Kelly.

I think you may be missing my point.  My point is this.  Taylor Kelly was a Sophomore this year, without any playing time experience as a freshman.  He put those numbers up with that lack of experience and the lack of quality WR's.  

Does he have room to improve.  Sure he does.  But when compared to where Jake Plummer, Andrew Walter, and Brock were at his age, there is a chance at a bright future with him.

And if I recall, people were beginning to question Graham putting ME in games, because it seemed Kelly was on a roll and ME would come in and we would lose that momentum.  I thought the game plan there towards the end of the season worked out.  Kelly is the QB and played the game.  It situations of short yardage or goal line, ME came in.  It worked.  Where as the beginning of the season it seemed like they were trying to give ME more snaps during the games.

Now I also want to be clear.  I am not trying to diminish ME with this thread, but point out I think we have something good with Kelly. 

sjpIV wrote: 

What was the play calling that game?
How many times was he pressured, sacked, knocked down?
Did the defenses have better coverage?
Did our WR's have the droppsies those games? it happened

This is probably last post on this subject.  Hopefully we will have some bigger and better news to discuss.  I am not claiming Kelly should be handed a Heisman trophy right now.  I am just saying he is off to a great start.

Tarantula wrote: Turn on USC, Arizona, Oregon, Oregon State. Abysmal. USC was a winnable game with the amount of turnovers we forced. If that second tipped screen pass against UA would have been intercepted like it should have been, we likely lose that game, as I believe we were trailing by 10(?) at that point. Not to mention he got Foster's head knocked off in the bowl game with that soft lob down the seam.

DevilSinceMisConception wrote:

Tarantula wrote: Turn on USC, Arizona, Oregon, Oregon State. Abysmal. USC was a winnable game with the amount of turnovers we forced. If that second tipped screen pass against UA would have been intercepted like it should have been, we likely lose that game, as I believe we were trailing by 10(?) at that point. Not to mention he got Foster's head knocked off in the bowl game with that soft lob down the seam.

That pass was high but Foster also could have protected himself and knocked the ball down, going for the catch and not seeing the defender is more on Foster than Kelly since Foster is closer to the guy trying to hit him.

Also, look up all the Saguaro Players, see the ones at ASU, Utah, UCLA, USC. KoKo our starting Center is the only one so far to play in Pac 12. And DJ was knocked silly in his final high school game by kids playing at a Small School just running the ball. Pretty sure he will at some point give up football because of concussions.

CDD413 wrote: I'm not down on Kelly and think he's a good QB.

But you have to compare the systems each QB played in.