Posted: 10/21/2007 6:41 PM
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Posted: 10/21/2007 9:02 PM
Posted: 10/23/2007 9:52 AM
Clay I know you are pressed for time but that was a 5 cent answer to a $20 question. (If you do not have time maybe someone else can give me the answers) I have done a little bit of research and come up with the fact that she helped recruit most of Nell Fortners players on the team that won the NC and went 34-1. The two years previously Purdue went 17-11 under Fortner and 23-10 in Carolyns first year. To win a title after two good but not great years is why the pros jumped at her . They must have thought very highly of her abilities since she was both coach and GM. (I have no knowledge about her pro career but I assume it wasn't very good. However, the Orlando team was an expansion team) the main point up to now is the woman could coach. She had a swagger about her that translated over to the players at Purdue.At Florida she had the best turnaround in the history of the school taking a 9-22 team and going 19-11Ok, she had other peoples players but they weren't very good. In the middle of the season 2006 she was 14-3 and her team was in the top Ten and a darkhourse for the NT. Last year she had three players transfer in the middle of the season and they lost 13 in row until winnning the last 4 of 6 including a couple in the post season tournement. Her record last year was 9 and 22. She finished up was 72-76 at florida , never a WBBall power in my memory. Taking away last seaons disaster her record was 61 - 54, not bad in the always tough SEC.Why wasn't she allowed to finish out the season. Why did the players transfer?One poster stated long ago that her downfall was recruting. If so, why would this woman not be able to recruit. She is a motivational speaker , charging 10-20k per appearance. Pat Summitt highly priased her when she was an assiatant. Nell Fortner only spent on year at Purdue and the year before she arrived thei were 11-17, so she must have done a lot of recruiting at Purdue.How could it be possible she could not recruit.She seems to have everything you want in a recruiter:great looks , great smile. great voice, very intelligent (she was a Vandy grad) was a great player (averaged 34 pts a game in HS). I do know that she made a lot of money selling pharmaceuticles for two years , a tough job in itself. I don't know , maybe someone should write a book about the situation, but something doesn't add up. Would appreciate answers.PS when she won the NT she was the youngest coach in America, 31 . Also the team knew she would be going to the pros after the season, and they still went 34-1, the one loss being by one point.
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Vandywhit thanx for your input . It solves much of the mystery, very much in fact. However there are some loose ends.First involves the transfering of the players in midyear. Wasn't that when the slide began to occur. And three players transferring. Were they freshman, disgruntled upperclassmen, why? That is a BIG story. If we had three playeres transfer out of our football team (Univ of Mich) in midseason, it would be headline news on the sports page! Even if they were third string. To lose 3 out of 11 or 12 is shocking. Why would they do that to her? Is she a Jeckle and Hyde character?.I just saw her voted the 2nd best hair style in the nation from some shampoo company. Maybe she makes so much money in endorsments she lost her edge. Is she maried to a millionare? I have never seen her live but she looks drop dead georgeous on TV. Always did.
Lastly , the recruits. Were they big time recruits or just ordinary. I was not impressed looks of the players. I know this sems a bit strange but many of the best coaches are good looking people , Gail G, Geno, P.J.McCallie, Sherri Coale. Maybe her players looked upon her as a stuck up movie star type than a coach. I must say the new coach Amanda Butler looks like a movie star herself in the pics I saw. I think the people at Florida are maybe a little bit spoiled. Both Donovan and Urban Meyer had unbelievable years but they also had some lousy years. A couple of years ago when Roberson (Saginaw recruit who may have cost Mchigan State a NT) was running the show I thought Billy D might be gone. Remember when they were #1 and Kentucky beat them by 30. David Lee was also on the team.Since you are probably from Vandy I will tell you that a lot of people in Michigan were convinced that there was hanky-panky going on with the recruiting of Roberson. He was in Izzo's pocket for 3 1/2 years then a week before signing he switches to the Gators. Lots of money was evidently passed around . And yes it does happen. But thats a story for another time. (If you want to hear some I have some beauts.)
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Posted: 10/24/2007 7:09 PM
Sharon I am sorry if I upset you in any way. If so it was unintended . The statements were read months ago when I first came on the site. My brother was not fond of you so they were among the first that I read. The first one was the Portland article since we both liked the team with Kelly Mazzantte, the one where Helen Darling player point. In your article you state (and I quote) "she is a strong intelligent woman who fights for what she believes in. I like women like that. "During a lunch "I kept thinking that I was supposed to dislike this woman and I couldn't. ""She and her husband have given hundreds of thousands of dollars to academics at Penn State""Jane Albright Wichita coach says Portland had a heart of gold that she does not allow many people to see."You also describe the weekly trips to California at her expense to care for a player with alcoholism. Then you describe the rules that she was supposed to follow and didn't. The Detroit Free Press said that the player (who stated was not gay) was reprimanded for not conforming with the dress code and when she refused she was kicked off the team. Then she sued and lost. This and your commenting on the "rules" are the sum of my knowledge on the subject. You never go into any detail about what rules were broken. However you do slam her for her locker room behavior and the loss in the 1st round of the NCAA. I saw that game and they played lazy and without emotion against a lousy team they should have beaten by 30.Then you finish"so why did I want to like this woman. Rene Portland is like all of us, a flawed human being (I hope you put yourself in this catagory, Sharon). I see her strength, her passion, her willingness to fight for her beliefs, her intelligence the good things she's done and what she could have been..........I see a women who fought for the sport that she and I love".The comment about a huge difference between how a person looks and making it the most important factor in judging them is a platitude, true at times, untrue in others. Shakespear said "he who loves at first sight" would disprove your idea, right? In my case my job required me to make an instant judgement based on how they looked. You know the body language etc.I was under the impression that you read all the posts as part of your job. Couldn't you throw in one more if it is kept well within your bounds, now that I know how you feel about things?
Posted: 10/24/2007 7:57 PM
You're right, I said each of those things. But then each comment was followed by reasons why I could not respect or like her. That's what I meant by taking statements out of context.What I have said and what I feel is that Rene Portland was the type of woman who had the potential to be a force for good in the sport and a woman who had the ability to do much good, but she never reached the potential she had for good. Instead she let herself be mired in her homophobia. Her out of control ego would not allow her to take any responsibility or look honestly at her own actions. I think it's sad that a woman with the potential to be strong voice for the sport failed to reach it because of her own personal shortcomings.I've written several times about her inability to retain her players, her homophobia, her publicly bashing her players and her refusal to take any responsibility for any of her actions. The details of the Harris situation are all over the internet."However you do slam her for her locker room behavior and the loss in the 1st round of the NCAA. I saw that game and they played lazy and without emotion against a lousy team they should have beaten by 30."And do you think an appropriate for a coach in that situation is to go into the locker room and tell the team that three of them are being thrown off the team?I agree with you about the PSU play against Liberty. Portland's teams had a history of being upset early in the NCAA's. At what point does the coach have to take responsibility for not having her team ready to play? At what point is it absurd for her to simply continue to lash out and blame her players?I wasn't aware that Shakespeare was the ultimate authority on truth. These are people in a profession that is totally performance based. Their appearance is irrelevant to their performance.
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