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Not sure if every state has this but it should

Posted: 11/10/2012 3:00 PM

Not sure if every state has this but it should 


Great website shows all the salaries of government workers in NY...I was real thrilled to see my kids gym teacher with the summer off and vacation galore makes $199,000 talking on his cell phone all day with his buddies...


http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/
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Posted: 11/10/2012 3:22 PM

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Seems like a very unrealistic number. I find it hard to believe that it's accurate. Top step in ct in fairfield county for someone with a doctorate is just over 100k
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Posted: 11/10/2012 4:36 PM

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Part of the Manhattan Institute a self proclaimed "non-partisan and non-profit"


The Manhattan Institute received $19,470,416 in grants from 1985–2005, from foundations such as the Koch Family Foundations, the John M. Olin Foundation, Inc., the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, the Scaife Foundations, and the Smith Richardson Foundation. The Manhattan Institute does not disclose its corporate funding, but the Capital Research Center listed its contributors as Bristol-Myers Squibb, Exxon Mobil, Chase Manhattan, CIGNA, Sprint, Reliant Energy, Lincoln Financial Group Foundation, and Merrill Lynch.

#1) The website site doesn't show "salaries" but "the Payrolls section provides a database of names, positions, salaries and/or total earnings".  I would wonder what they consider total earnings?

#2) Just a few days ago, didn't the right-wingers post on the Bush tax cuts?  Seems to me there were a couple of people stating that $250K in the NorthEast wasn't "high salary" because of the cost.  So 87 I asking you a question:  DO you think that $250K is or is not a high salary for the Northeast and NYC specifically?

But since you brought up the Manhattan Institute (indirectly) I'll post a thread on an article by David Frum on "When Did the GOP Lose Touch With Reality".  A very good article (but I may be biased because I believe the same things that David Frum is saying).  David Frum used to work at the Manhattan Institute before he became a speechwriter for Bush.




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Posted: 11/10/2012 6:05 PM

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$199 for a teacher? That must factor in Health Insurance, Pension, etc.
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Posted: 11/10/2012 9:17 PM

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I find this number hard to believe. My wife is a teacher for 27 years in Northern Jersey (the last 24 years at the same school). She has a Masters plus 45 credits. Even with Health Ins, Pension, she would be no where near that amount. NYC teachers make more but not that much more.
WindyCityFriar wrote: $199 for a teacher? That must factor in Health Insurance, Pension, etc.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 10:16 AM

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Don't shoot the messenger.. My point was, it shows how much everyone who works  in NY government positions (paid for by taxpayers like you and me) make...Do I think the teachers in Scarsdale schools do a good job? Yes.. Do I think gym teachers like Andy Verbose and Barney Foltmen or Phyllis Dibianco the librarian making 150k to 190K a year are grossly over paid for the work they put in? Yes..Do I care who put out the website? No.. Desert, do I think 250,000 is a high salary in the Northeast? Yes, it is a high salary anywhere..Do I think making 250,000 makes you a rich person? depends,( if you have a family of 5 live in Northern NJ, Nassau, or Westchester county definitely not) but if you are single or a couple of DINKS living  in *********** MA, or Western Ct, Most or RI, VT, or Maine where property taxes are 1/3 to a 1/4 of what they are in Metro NY..Yes..The government payrolls in these towns are a ticking timebomb, and despite the levels the equity markets are trading, the goose that laid the golden egg (aka wall street) is dying a slow death ...  Huge amounts of jobs in the financial industry are being lost daily that are NEVER coming back. But the teachers keep on getting their yearly raises, and with the pensions all the government workers get, they are owed money for the rest of their life..The public system is broken, they are out of touch with the private IMO.... That is it end of my rant...
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Posted: 11/11/2012 11:27 AM

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I teach in eastern MA, in a town that is not considered poor, and over the last 5 years, IF I HAVE  EVEN GOTTEN A RAISE, it was no more than 1% yearly.

I pay for half my health insurance, and ALL of my dental plan.

Teachers are a convenient scapegoat, but believe me, I'm not getting rich doing this.

For all we know, this gym teacher could be coaching multiple sports, running summer rec programs, etc. and even then, $199K is a ton of money--question their sources.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 1:41 PM

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87iab wrote: Don't shoot the messenger.. My point was, it shows how much everyone who works  in NY government positions (paid for by taxpayers like you and me) make...Do I think the teachers in Scarsdale schools do a good job? Yes.. Do I think gym teachers like Andy Verbose and Barney Foltmen or Phyllis Dibianco the librarian making 150k to 190K a year are grossly over paid for the work they put in? Yes..Do I care who put out the website? No.. Desert, do I think 250,000 is a high salary in the Northeast? Yes, it is a high salary anywhere..Do I think making 250,000 makes you a rich person? depends,( if you have a family of 5 live in Northern NJ, Nassau, or Westchester county definitely not) but if you are single or a couple of DINKS living  in *********** MA, or Western Ct, Most or RI, VT, or Maine where property taxes are 1/3 to a 1/4 of what they are in Metro NY..Yes..The government payrolls in these towns are a ticking timebomb, and despite the levels the equity markets are trading, the goose that laid the golden egg (aka wall street) is dying a slow death ...  Huge amounts of jobs in the financial industry are being lost daily that are NEVER coming back. But the teachers keep on getting their yearly raises, and with the pensions all the government workers get, they are owed money for the rest of their life..The public system is broken, they are out of touch with the private IMO.... That is it end of my rant...

87, thanks for answering the question on whether $250K is a lot of money or just "middle class".  

But like 77 states in another response here, it's that the presentation tries to tie the amounts here with "salary" when it's really total compensation.  So it most likely that a gym teacher's amount here actually includes any other jobs which he might do (football coach, driving instructor, etc.) along with the added compensation the teachers may get (i.e. health benefits which the employers contributes).

The Manhattan Institute is not "non-partisan", but they state they are.  They are the rightest of the right in who are funding them.

They are a right wing think tank that tries to promote themselves as "non partisan" while concentrating on "welfare reform" (eg. dismantling social programs), "faith-based initiatives" (shifting the distinction of church and state) and "education reform" (destroying public education).  If they would just come out and say that they get their funding from the same people who give to the tea party "grassroots".  When they don't want to show this (and in fact try to hide this), I have a hard time taking it seriously.

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Posted: 11/11/2012 2:32 PM

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87iab wrote: Great website shows all the salaries of government workers in NY...I was real thrilled to see my kids gym teacher with the summer off and vacation galore makes $199,000 talking on his cell phone all day with his buddies...


http://seethroughny.net/payrolls/schools/

Hilarious man.  No teacher makes 199 thousand a year.  Superintendents typically make about 150,000, principals about 90,000-125,000....teachers from 40,000-90,000.

If you are going to complain, bring some real statistics.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 2:42 PM

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87iab wrote: Don't shoot the messenger.. My point was, it shows how much everyone who works  in NY government positions (paid for by taxpayers like you and me) make...Do I think the teachers in Scarsdale schools do a good job? Yes.. Do I think gym teachers like Andy Verbose and Barney Foltmen or Phyllis Dibianco the librarian making 150k to 190K a year are grossly over paid for the work they put in? Yes..Do I care who put out the website? No.. Desert, do I think 250,000 is a high salary in the Northeast? Yes, it is a high salary anywhere..Do I think making 250,000 makes you a rich person? depends,( if you have a family of 5 live in Northern NJ, Nassau, or Westchester county definitely not) but if you are single or a couple of DINKS living  in *********** MA, or Western Ct, Most or RI, VT, or Maine where property taxes are 1/3 to a 1/4 of what they are in Metro NY..Yes..The government payrolls in these towns are a ticking timebomb, and despite the levels the equity markets are trading, the goose that laid the golden egg (aka wall street) is dying a slow death ...  Huge amounts of jobs in the financial industry are being lost daily that are NEVER coming back. But the teachers keep on getting their yearly raises, and with the pensions all the government workers get, they are owed money for the rest of their life..The public system is broken, they are out of touch with the private IMO.... That is it end of my rant...
There is no comparison by the way.  I have worked for Fidelity Investments and Public Schools.  The benefits at Fido blew away anything in the public school benefit package----not even close.  The issue really is that people hate that we have our summers off.  Get over it.  I took a HUGE paycut to go into education becasue it was a better fit for me....and because it afforded me more time to be with my family....that is a big benefit.  Truth be told, my educated friends that are making 150,000+ a year in Connecticut say they wish they were teachers....but can't take a paycut from 150,000 to 75,000. 

I quit Fido at 85,000 at 30.  I have been a school counselor for 12 years and just cracked 60,000 this summer...wooooo hoooooo!!!!! The argument is a joke for someone that actually knows both sides.  My life is great, too bad you don't have the guts to come and work in an "easy" profession...yours could be great too.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 4:19 PM

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i say the same thing to everyone. you want "summers off"... go get a degree in education and make the change. they need math and science teachers... finding a job would be easy. i chose not to do that like the rest of my family because i would be horrible at it and i want to make more money.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:26 PM

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94 if you don't mind me asking, did you leave Fido on your own or forced out?That is a big pay cut..That said you are correct that everyone is jealous of your summer vacation, not to mention your Christmas vacation, Winter recess, Spring break, Veterans day, and snow days, and your brutal 8:00am to 2:30 workday and awful commute..I am glad you are happy living your life on 60,000 sounds like it is your choice and you are content with it. I am happy you are happy and have no problem with those figures although if you were a math or science teacher I would hope you got considerably more  .. I do have a problem with the librarian in my kids school making 150,000$ and High School gym teachers making 170K-190K regardless of how many teams they coach...I do realize that these figures are not what the rest of the country make, and are probably the extreme and not the mean..I also realize, that I chose to do what I do, where I live and if I cant take the heat or get sick of paying silly  real estate taxes, I can quit and move... I just like to bitch and moan and I have a personal view that the public/private sector in my area (NY Metro) is out of touch with reality, and a ticking time-bomb for towns as private incomes go down while public go up..
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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:28 PM

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94friar wrote:
87iab wrote: Don't shoot the messenger.. My point was, it shows how much everyone who works  in NY government positions (paid for by taxpayers like you and me) make...Do I think the teachers in Scarsdale schools do a good job? Yes.. Do I think gym teachers like Andy Verbose and Barney Foltmen or Phyllis Dibianco the librarian making 150k to 190K a year are grossly over paid for the work they put in? Yes..Do I care who put out the website? No.. Desert, do I think 250,000 is a high salary in the Northeast? Yes, it is a high salary anywhere..Do I think making 250,000 makes you a rich person? depends,( if you have a family of 5 live in Northern NJ, Nassau, or Westchester county definitely not) but if you are single or a couple of DINKS living  in *********** MA, or Western Ct, Most or RI, VT, or Maine where property taxes are 1/3 to a 1/4 of what they are in Metro NY..Yes..The government payrolls in these towns are a ticking timebomb, and despite the levels the equity markets are trading, the goose that laid the golden egg (aka wall street) is dying a slow death ...  Huge amounts of jobs in the financial industry are being lost daily that are NEVER coming back. But the teachers keep on getting their yearly raises, and with the pensions all the government workers get, they are owed money for the rest of their life..The public system is broken, they are out of touch with the private IMO.... That is it end of my rant...
There is no comparison by the way.  I have worked for Fidelity Investments and Public Schools.  The benefits at Fido blew away anything in the public school benefit package----not even close.  The issue really is that people hate that we have our summers off.  Get over it.  I took a HUGE paycut to go into education becasue it was a better fit for me....and because it afforded me more time to be with my family....that is a big benefit.  Truth be told, my educated friends that are making 150,000+ a year in Connecticut say they wish they were teachers....but can't take a paycut from 150,000 to 75,000. 

I quit Fido at 85,000 at 30.  I have been a school counselor for 12 years and just cracked 60,000 this summer...wooooo hoooooo!!!!! The argument is a joke for someone that actually knows both sides.  My life is great, too bad you don't have the guts to come and work in an "easy" profession...yours could be great too.
When you say "benefit package", are you including salary or just health, etc?  I work for a large (but shrinking), global bank and have worked for several different firms in financial services of all sizes.  My mother was an elementary school teacher in Hartford, CT.  Her health benefits were among the best I have ever seen, anywhere (they covered me until I was 25, regardless of my working status...ridiculous, but fully paid for a $10K surgery for me when I was around 23 or 24).

And I agree, that site is crap.  There is no way a physical education teacher makes anywhere even close to $199K.  Coming from a family with several teachers, I have a good idea of teacher salaries.  I have no idea how they juiced that figure to get his "total comp" up to $199K.

Congrats on making that move, by the way.  Tough choice, but I can definitely see the draw of it after a certain amount of time working in finance.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:36 PM

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87iab wrote: 94 if you don't mind me asking, did you leave Fido on your own or forced out?That is a big pay cut..That said you are correct that everyone is jealous of your summer vacation, not to mention your Christmas vacation, Winter recess, Spring break, Veterans day, and snow days, and your brutal 8:00am to 2:30 workday and awful commute..I am glad you are happy living your life on 60,000 sounds like it is your choice and you are content with it. I am happy you are happy and have no problem with those figures although if you were a math or science teacher I would hope you got considerably more  .. I do have a problem with the librarian in my kids school making 150,000$ and High School gym teachers making 170K-190K regardless of how many teams they coach...I do realize that these figures are not what the rest of the country make, and are probably the extreme and not the mean..I also realize, that I chose to do what I do, where I live and if I cant take the heat or get sick of paying silly  real estate taxes, I can quit and move... I just like to bitch and moan and I have a personal view that the public/private sector in my area (NY Metro) is out of touch with reality, and a ticking time-bomb for towns as private incomes go down while public go up..
You are seriously telling me that librarians and gym teachers make $170K-190K in salaries (including coaching, etc.)?   I'm not talking total compensation, I'm talking salary.  I find it hard to believe (and I live in NY), but if it's true, it's true.

For the record, you forgot Jewish holidays in some towns.  My town had them off where I grew up.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 7:30 PM

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The biggest problem with education is the bloated admin.  Way too may cooks in the kitchen.  As far as the hours and such for teachers; I would need the time off to deal with the BS.  They can't do jack to kids now, and the kids know it.

Thankless profession.  90% are good at it.  Unions protect the inept.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 7:51 PM

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The Manhattan Institute is a joke. Around 10 years ago, a neighbor of mine started yelling that half of all public high school students in Rhode Island don't graduate, something he saw in the ProJo. He went on to lambaste RI public schools, the teachers unions, and so forth for a half hour. Realizing that his numbers seemed wrong, I asked to read the article, saw a reference to a Manhattan Institute study, searched for the non-existent study online, found none, looked up RI public school graduation rates, found that all but a handful have grad rates at 94% or better, looked into the Manhattan Institute, learned that they a bogus right wing numbers cooker and full of sh!t, pointed this out to my neighbor, which resulted in him never talking to me again, proceeded to create and register an "Institute" (using my local village name instead of Manhattan) with my wife and brother which we had in place for 3 or 4 years, wrote a few letters to Washington, announced to my neighbor that this other new Institute that I was vice-president of opposed John Bolton to be our UN ambassador and other things, to which he from that day forward would give me the finger if he drove by while I was working in the yard...

Ok, that's what I think of the Manhattan Institute.
Sorry for the rambling.

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Posted: 11/11/2012 8:06 PM

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the most tenured, highest step (14 years in CT), highest educated public school teachers in a relatively rich county (fairfield, ct) are making slightly over $100k. add $20-25k in what the employer pays for healthcare and you get a figure at best near $130k. to suggest that is the norm and that it is even possible that the norm is significantly higher is ABSURD.

and if teaching is so easy and you get so much time off... i say again... GO AND BE A TEACHER. otherwise, shut up.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 8:11 PM

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We have some huge problems which will require some drastic changes to address but teachers exorbitant salaries are the least of worries.
....despite being rich, having a beach house, a beautiful
girlfriend watching the game with me, a floorseat season ticket holder for 4
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Posted: 11/11/2012 8:33 PM

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My mom taught in a very tough neighborhood in Hartford.  She's now retired, but in my opinion she was underpaid.  I saw the B.S. that she had to deal with.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 8:43 PM

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87iab wrote: 94 if you don't mind me asking, did you leave Fido on your own or forced out?That is a big pay cut..That said you are correct that everyone is jealous of your summer vacation, not to mention your Christmas vacation, Winter recess, Spring break, Veterans day, and snow days, and your brutal 8:00am to 2:30 workday and awful commute..I am glad you are happy living your life on 60,000 sounds like it is your choice and you are content with it. I am happy you are happy and have no problem with those figures although if you were a math or science teacher I would hope you got considerably more  .. I do have a problem with the librarian in my kids school making 150,000$ and High School gym teachers making 170K-190K regardless of how many teams they coach...I do realize that these figures are not what the rest of the country make, and are probably the extreme and not the mean..I also realize, that I chose to do what I do, where I live and if I cant take the heat or get sick of paying silly  real estate taxes, I can quit and move... I just like to bitch and moan and I have a personal view that the public/private sector in my area (NY Metro) is out of touch with reality, and a ticking time-bomb for towns as private incomes go down while public go up..
Forced out of Fidelity in 2000? Things were buzzing pretty well back then.  So no.  You complain, but for someone that works in business, you understand supply and demand yes?  Teaching is always going to be a needed profession....it will always be lower paying, but more stable.  So while I traded a very nice salary 401K AND DB plan, and of course very good health and dental benefits...... I got more time, and more security in my job.  The business/financial world has more highs and lows....when things are good, they are very good and vice versa.  Just the way it is, suck it up.
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