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Chris Christie 2016

Posted: 11/1/2012 12:00 PM

Chris Christie 2016 


I believe Obama has regained the momentum.  Maybe its the last two debates, may even be his strong handling of the hurricane situation.  Whatever it is, I don't see Romney winning although I will still be voting for him.


How about Christie in 2016!!!!  He "seems" like a straight talking, intelligent guy.  Then again Barack "seemed" like a lot of things he clearly is not.  My gut, says Christie is the guy in 2016. 

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Posted: 11/1/2012 1:11 PM

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Christie has been positioning himself for a run in 2016 all along. I believe his support of Romney was genuine in the sense that many of Romney's original positions were in line with Christie's. Christie also stated he was not running in 2012 because he made a commitment to the State and didn't feel his job in NJ was done. So while I don't agree with Christie on many issues I do believe this statement. When he takes a position I think it's genuine.

But Chirstie's support of Romney was also political and strategic in that it makes him more appealing to the Reagan Dems and the Independents nationally. He had the political capital with Conservatives to give Romney his support without alienating them - a big political advantage. Also, the talk here was Christie didn't think Romney (or any Republican including himself) could win. For his long-term political aspirations, it was better to "sit this one out".

As stated by others, Christie's blunt approach may not play well nationally. My opinion is he can come off as very condescending at times.

I believe the situation in our state will add to his national appeal in the short-term. In the long term I'm not so sure because, except for the NE, this storm may long be forgotten by 2016. If the state makes a strong comeback he will be able to point to that and will give him a boost on the national stage in 2016. If we do not recover, it would become a liability.

On another note he is inexperienced in foreign policy - whether that proves to be a liability will depend on where we are at 4 years from now.

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Posted: 11/1/2012 1:40 PM

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Could it be a Christie vs. Cuomo run in 2016?
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Posted: 11/1/2012 1:46 PM

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I do believe that is a possibility as you know Cuomo has had his eye on 2016 as well.
flyerlax06 wrote: Could it be a Christie vs. Cuomo run in 2016?
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Posted: 11/1/2012 1:58 PM

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The GOP will be at war between purity guys like Ryan and practical guys like Christie...will be fascinating to see who wins.

Hillary's nomination if she wants it. Coomo waits in the wings. Hickenlooper makes for an interesting story.
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Posted: 11/1/2012 2:11 PM

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BipolarFriar wrote: The GOP will be at war between purity guys like Ryan and practical guys like Christie...will be fascinating to see who wins.

Hillary's nomination if she wants it. Coomo waits in the wings. Hickenlooper makes for an interesting story.
I would have to consider voting for Cuomo depending on who the Republican candidate is because I like what Cuomo has done overall in NY State so far and how he has been willing to compromise and work across the aisle. My fear is that once he gets into the national spotlight he would become more liberal.
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Posted: 11/1/2012 2:22 PM

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NorthJerseyFriar wrote: Christie has been positioning himself for a run in 2016 all along. I believe his support of Romney was genuine in the sense that many of Romney's original positions were in line with Christie's. Christie also stated he was not running in 2012 because he made a commitment to the State and didn't feel his job in NJ was done. So while I don't agree with Christie on many issues I do believe this statement. When he takes a position I think it's genuine.

But Chirstie's support of Romney was also political and strategic in that it makes him more appealing to the Reagan Dems and the Independents nationally. He had the political capital with Conservatives to give Romney his support without alienating them - a big political advantage. Also, the talk here was Christie didn't think Romney (or any Republican including himself) could win. For his long-term political aspirations, it was better to "sit this one out".

As stated by others, Christie's blunt approach may not play well nationally. My opinion is he can come off as very condescending at times.

I believe the situation in our state will add to his national appeal in the short-term. In the long term I'm not so sure because, except for the NE, this storm may long be forgotten by 2016. If the state makes a strong comeback he will be able to point to that and will give him a boost on the national stage in 2016. If we do not recover, it would become a liability.

On another note he is inexperienced in foreign policy - whether that proves to be a liability will depend on where we are at 4 years from now.

My opinion is he can come off as very condescending at times.

You obviously have seen much more of him than I have so I will take your word for it on that.  I have seen inklings of that cockiness, condescending attitude.  However, most times I have seen him speak  I have found him to be very different than most politicians....less wishy washy and politically correct.  Straight shooter, no nonsense type of guy.  Of course, we all complain about politicians and their BS.  However, when someone doesn't act like a politician and speaks honestly they are often dismissed as a viable candidate.  That is a very discouraging piece to politics- but clearly human nature.  We love straight shooters until they say something we don't like- which then leads us back to the candidates that attempt to be all things to all people....the classic politician!

My issue with the foreign policy argument is that most candidates are inexperienced there.  Serving on some commitees and going on tours in foreign countries doesn't come close to giving them the experience they need to make the HUGE decisions they will make in office.  Its all about being intelligent enough to know which people you need to put around you to make the best foreign policy decisions.....which in my opinion means you don't always choose people that are like-minded. 

I truly believe NJ will recover very nicely.  We all know its not really up to the Governer to make that happen, but the people.....and New Jerseyites are about the most stubborn/tough (in a good way) a group of people that your will ever encounter.

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Posted: 11/1/2012 2:27 PM

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94friar wrote:
NorthJerseyFriar wrote: Christie has been positioning himself for a run in 2016 all along. I believe his support of Romney was genuine in the sense that many of Romney's original positions were in line with Christie's. Christie also stated he was not running in 2012 because he made a commitment to the State and didn't feel his job in NJ was done. So while I don't agree with Christie on many issues I do believe this statement. When he takes a position I think it's genuine.

But Chirstie's support of Romney was also political and strategic in that it makes him more appealing to the Reagan Dems and the Independents nationally. He had the political capital with Conservatives to give Romney his support without alienating them - a big political advantage. Also, the talk here was Christie didn't think Romney (or any Republican including himself) could win. For his long-term political aspirations, it was better to "sit this one out".

As stated by others, Christie's blunt approach may not play well nationally. My opinion is he can come off as very condescending at times.

I believe the situation in our state will add to his national appeal in the short-term. In the long term I'm not so sure because, except for the NE, this storm may long be forgotten by 2016. If the state makes a strong comeback he will be able to point to that and will give him a boost on the national stage in 2016. If we do not recover, it would become a liability.

On another note he is inexperienced in foreign policy - whether that proves to be a liability will depend on where we are at 4 years from now.

My opinion is he can come off as very condescending at times.

You obviously have seen much more of him than I have so I will take your word for it on that.  I have seen inklings of that cockiness, condescending attitude.  However, most times I have seen him speak  I have found him to be very different than most politicians....less wishy washy and politically correct.  Straight shooter, no nonsense type of guy.  Of course, we all complain about politicians and their BS.  However, when someone doesn't act like a politician and speaks honestly they are often dismissed as a viable candidate.  That is a very discouraging piece to politics- but clearly human nature.  We love straight shooters until they say something we don't like- which then leads us back to the candidates that attempt to be all things to all people....the classic politician!

My issue with the foreign policy argument is that most candidates are inexperienced there.  Serving on some commitees and going on tours in foreign countries doesn't come close to giving them the experience they need to make the HUGE decisions they will make in office.  Its all about being intelligent enough to know which people you need to put around you to make the best foreign policy decisions.....which in my opinion means you don't always choose people that are like-minded. 

I truly believe NJ will recover very nicely.  We all know its not really up to the Governer to make that happen, but the people.....and New Jerseyites are about the most stubborn/tough (in a good way) a group of people that your will ever encounter.

This is the problem with the national electorate. In order to appeal to the most people, presidential candidates often have to be very vague and vanilla so that they don't say something that will cost them votes from a group of people. It's somewhat of a catch-22 because I think most people want to hear more specifics from both candidates but the way that we have set it up, it's hard for them to be specific about certain things without losing touch with the people that would be against that specific thing or idea.
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Posted: 11/1/2012 3:27 PM

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For a Republican he certainly kissed Obama's ass. What else was Obama supposed to do as President?
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Posted: 11/1/2012 3:40 PM

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He's getting killed for this, but I don't think he intended to kiss Obama's ass.  I think he's an emotional guy who loves his state and is personally hurting after seeing the destruction.  He's grateful for the way the president has responded.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I think Christie is sincere when he says next week's election is the last thing on his mind.  Just to be clear I am not voting for Obama.  But if Christie's comments helps Obama in any way, shape or form in the election, I won't hold it against Christie.
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Posted: 11/1/2012 4:27 PM

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100 percent agree

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He's getting killed for this, but I don't think he intended to kiss Obama's ass.  I think he's an emotional guy who loves his state and is personally hurting after seeing the destruction.  He's grateful for the way the president has responded.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I think Christie is sincere when he says next week's election is the last thing on his mind.  Just to be clear I am not voting for Obama.  But if Christie's comments helps Obama in any way, shape or form in the election, I won't hold it against Christie.

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Posted: 11/1/2012 7:12 PM

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I agree 100% also. What Christie did yesterday was not ass kissing and is completely consistent with his personality. Christie is a lot things but an ass kisser is not one of them. Christie has been very critical of in NJ Democrats when they have not supported some of his reforms (imo unfairly at times) but when he feels they have done the right thing he is very complimentary and acknowledges it. So Christie was showing very consistent behavior yesterday when he acknowledged and thanked the President. This is the side of Christie that the Republican Party on the National side does not know about and will not like.
BipolarFriar wrote: 100 percent agree

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He's getting killed for this, but I don't think he intended to kiss Obama's ass.  I think he's an emotional guy who loves his state and is personally hurting after seeing the destruction.  He's grateful for the way the president has responded.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I think Christie is sincere when he says next week's election is the last thing on his mind.  Just to be clear I am not voting for Obama.  But if Christie's comments helps Obama in any way, shape or form in the election, I won't hold it against Christie.

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Posted: 11/1/2012 7:15 PM

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Disagree. Between singing his praises on morning Joe and dissing Romney on fox and friends, there was something going on behind the scenes. His 2016 plans go up in smoke if Romney wins.

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I agree 100% also. What Christie did yesterday was not ass kissing and is completely consistent with his personality. Christie is a lot things but an ass kisser is not one of them. Christie has been very critical of in NJ Democrats when they have not supported some of his reforms (imo unfairly at times) but when he feels they have done the right thing he is very complimentary and acknowledges it. So Christie was showing very consistent behavior yesterday when he acknowledged and thanked the President. This is the side of Christie that the Republican Party on the National side does not know about and will not like.
BipolarFriar wrote: 100 percent agree

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He's getting killed for this, but I don't think he intended to kiss Obama's ass.  I think he's an emotional guy who loves his state and is personally hurting after seeing the destruction.  He's grateful for the way the president has responded.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I think Christie is sincere when he says next week's election is the last thing on his mind.  Just to be clear I am not voting for Obama.  But if Christie's comments helps Obama in any way, shape or form in the election, I won't hold it against Christie.

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Posted: 11/1/2012 7:40 PM

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North Jersey, you would know far better than I so my calling him an ass kisser was my bad. I do feel that he was more effusive than he had to be relative to Obama & I wouldn't feel comfortable voting for him.

In any case, having friends who live(d) in Lavallette I wish only the best for you & your fellow citizens.
NorthJerseyFriar wrote:I agree 100% also. What Christie did yesterday was not ass kissing and is completely consistent with his personality. Christie is a lot things but an ass kisser is not one of them. Christie has been very critical of in NJ Democrats when they have not supported some of his reforms (imo unfairly at times) but when he feels they have done the right thing he is very complimentary and acknowledges it. So Christie was showing very consistent behavior yesterday when he acknowledged and thanked the President. This is the side of Christie that the Republican Party on the National side does not know about and will not like.
BipolarFriar wrote: 100 percent agree

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He's getting killed for this, but I don't think he intended to kiss Obama's ass.  I think he's an emotional guy who loves his state and is personally hurting after seeing the destruction.  He's grateful for the way the president has responded.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I think Christie is sincere when he says next week's election is the last thing on his mind.  Just to be clear I am not voting for Obama.  But if Christie's comments helps Obama in any way, shape or form in the election, I won't hold it against Christie.

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Posted: 11/1/2012 7:42 PM

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I did not see either show so I can't comment on how he came across on them. What I stated was based on watching him yesterday live with the President and observing his behavior over the last few years as governor.

I'd be interested to hear on how he dissed Romney. Can you expand on that ?
mcpoop wrote: Disagree. Between singing his praises on morning Joe and dissing Romney on fox and friends, there was something going on behind the scenes. His 2016 plans go up in smoke if Romney wins.

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I agree 100% also. What Christie did yesterday was not ass kissing and is completely consistent with his personality. Christie is a lot things but an ass kisser is not one of them. Christie has been very critical of in NJ Democrats when they have not supported some of his reforms (imo unfairly at times) but when he feels they have done the right thing he is very complimentary and acknowledges it. So Christie was showing very consistent behavior yesterday when he acknowledged and thanked the President. This is the side of Christie that the Republican Party on the National side does not know about and will not like.
BipolarFriar wrote: 100 percent agree

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He's getting killed for this, but I don't think he intended to kiss Obama's ass.  I think he's an emotional guy who loves his state and is personally hurting after seeing the destruction.  He's grateful for the way the president has responded.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I think Christie is sincere when he says next week's election is the last thing on his mind.  Just to be clear I am not voting for Obama.  But if Christie's comments helps Obama in any way, shape or form in the election, I won't hold it against Christie.

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Posted: 11/1/2012 9:05 PM

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Chris Christie realized a while ago that Obama is going to be re-elected (personally that why he and Huckabee did not run).  He certainly did not have to go out of his way to shower the President with praise while at the same time dissing Romney and Fox News.  To me, Romney does not seem to be the type of person who you would want to cross.  Same with Fox News.

As for 2016, my feeling is that he realizes this is as far as he gets (NJ governor).  

Three reasons for this:

1) He really doesn't have the physique that people would want to see (to me this is the smallest of his problems).

2)  People who seem to bully people tend to get what they want in the near term, but in the long term tend to create more enemies that keep friends.  Long term for his personality, people will just wait for a opening.  Once the opening has arrived (either bullying too many people or making a mistake), the knives will be out and he'll drop like a stone.

3) When the Republicans lose this election, they will be looking to the further right.

4) After losing this election with a candidate from the Northeast, the Republicans aren't going to back to the same region for the next candidate.  Look to either Florida or the Midwest.

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Posted: 11/1/2012 9:12 PM

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I don't think I agree with 3, but I see your points on the others. On 3, I think they'll end up going more the socially liberal fiscally conservative route. Just the way the country is going.




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Posted: 11/1/2012 9:13 PM

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Chris Christie realized a while ago that Obama is going to be re-elected (personally that why he and Huckabee did not run).  He certainly did not have to go out of his way to shower the President with praise while at the same time dissing Romney and Fox News.  To me, Romney does not seem to be the type of person who you would want to cross.  Same with Fox News.

As for 2016, my feeling is that he realizes this is as far as he gets (NJ governor).  

Three reasons for this:

1) He really doesn't have the physique that people would want to see (to me this is the smallest of his problems).

2)  People who seem to bully people tend to get what they want in the near term, but in the long term tend to create more enemies that keep friends.  Long term for his personality, people will just wait for a opening.  Once the opening has arrived (either bullying too many people or making a mistake), the knives will be out and he'll drop like a stone.

3) When the Republicans lose this election, they will be looking to the further right.

4) After losing this election with a candidate from the Northeast, the Republicans aren't going to back to the same region for the next candidate.  Look to either Florida or the Midwest.

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Posted: 11/1/2012 9:21 PM

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I don't see Rubio.  

Back to the Bush franchise.

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Posted: 11/1/2012 10:06 PM

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Thank you - we need it especially those folks down the shore. If you know the Lavallette area, like the FB page Jersey Shore Hurricane News. You will be stunned by what you see.

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In any case, having friends who live(d) in Lavallette I wish only the best for you & your fellow citizens.
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