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Posted: 11/7/2012 10:54 AM
My pledge to this board
I use to love discussing politics with my friends. Some of my best memories at Marquette and shortly after, was discussing the issues with my friends late into the night. Like I said before, one of my best friends is a self proclaimed socialist. I'm a conservative. We are able to discuss our views all of the time. Do things get heated? Of course, they do, but we never resort to personal attacks and name calling.
There was point in time on this board when it was unreadable. It was all personal attacks. While I agree with him on most issues, I personally cringe at DukeWayne's demeanor. Likewise, I don't understand what Mutaman has to offer other than name calling and gotcha remarks. At least Duke contributes to the Packer and Marquette boards. Recently, I think some threads have gotten better where people are at least asking questions and listening.
I fear this time in our country. With the popular vote almost split down the middle, and two opposite viewpoints offered as choice in this election, this was not a mandate. Instead, I think it was won through a message of hate and finger pointing. I wonder if our leaders will be strong enough to lead and stop their finger pointing to fire up their base. Will they instead say,"How can I help the situation out?" Or will they continue saying,"You need to help me!". I have no confidence in them. I feel like we are right back to where we started.
My feeling, is that change is going to have to come from the people. We are the ones who have to start listening to each other. We are the ones who are most affected, not the powerful. We need to demand from our leaders to stop the finger pointing and get this country moving again. I think we, the people, will be the ones to make that happen. The politicians have shown they are unable to do the job. We need to demand better.
So, it is my hope that this board becomes and remains more civil. Let's find the middle ground together. Let's not add to the hate we have for the other side. Fuel conversations and threads that are constructive. Ignore the name calling and chest thumping. We have a common interest in Marquette. If we can come together, and bring our message to our friends, maybe we can grow a new mentality in this country. That is what I am going to do. That is my pledge to this board.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 12:04 PM
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Crisco,
I actually would like to echo these statements. I realize that I have ventured away from your pledge occasionally, but have done so unintentionally out of frustration rather than logical thought. Believe it or not, my initial intent was to have rational cogent discussions about the state of the country.
I think that the country is in trouble due to the polarization of the people. I actually think Obama's speech last night was a step in the right direction, but we need movement on both sides. Boehner's statements of "I won't budge" are not doing anyone any favors.
The Keystone Pipeline should be done. A jobs plan to rebuild the aging infrastructure should be done. 60% of american's think the uber-rich should pay more taxes. These are not radical thoughts and holding the country hostage to get your way on everything is not going to improve the state of the country.
Sadly, I don't see a big change until we have a third party. This election $6 billion dollars were spent for what? Think of how much good that money could have brought.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 12:13 PM
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Excellent post. It is easier said than done to find middle ground and solutions to the country's problems, when people on both sides of the aisle are entrenched in their respective views. When one side insists on my way or the highway, there is no room for finding a middle ground or compromise. What then results is obstruction until the next election. In the meantime, it is the people who suffer because nothing has been accomplished. The thirst for power becomes all-consuming, with fingers pointed at the ready to blame the other guy when things go sour. It is wonderful that you can agree to disagree with your friend. What makes that difficult on forums such as this is that the posters are anonymous, so they can hide behind whatever venomous posts they make, knowing that they do not have to confront the ones they criticize face to face. It is always easier to throw slings and arrows when protected by anonymity. It is when we meet those people face to face is it more difficult to agree to disagree. We are all not right all of the time. There are times when we are wrong - more often than we want to admit. I will continue with my own rational posts that attempt to offer facts to back up my opinions and criticisms. I will call out those from time to time who don't, but as you know it has not and never will be with insults or name-calling. That is not who I am. I appreciate your post and others on this board who have posted on a regular basis. I enjoy the give-and-take and poking the bear every once in a while. But it is never mean-spirited. In the immortal words of Edward R. Murrow, "Good night and good luck!" Go Warriors!
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Posted: 11/7/2012 12:18 PM
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MUfanPhD wrote: Crisco,
I actually would like to echo these statements. I realize that I have ventured away from your pledge occasionally, but have done so unintentionally out of frustration rather than logical thought. Believe it or not, my initial intent was to have rational cogent discussions about the state of the country.
I think that the country is in trouble due to the polarization of the people. I actually think Obama's speech last night was a step in the right direction, but we need movement on both sides. Boehner's statements of "I won't budge" are not doing anyone any favors.
The Keystone Pipeline should be done. A jobs plan to rebuild the aging infrastructure should be done. 60% of american's think the uber-rich should pay more taxes. These are not radical thoughts and holding the country hostage to get your way on everything is not going to improve the state of the country.
Sadly, I don't see a big change until we have a third party. This election $6 billion dollars were spent for what? Think of how much good that money could have brought. If Obama gave in on the first bolded statement. He might well get the second. |
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Posted: 11/7/2012 1:51 PM
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People who make 250k aren't "uber-rich" though are they?
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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:19 PM
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$250,000 is a ton a money to ALOT of people, take a trip around the city of Milwaukee and other urban areas nationally. Statistically, do we know how many people make a $1 million a year?
Regardless taxing the rich isn't going to jump start the economy. Hopefully, both sides can move to the middle a little bit, I have 3 children under 7, I'm very concerned about their futures and the future of this country.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:27 PM
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MUfanPhD wrote: Crisco,
I actually would like to echo these statements. I realize that I have ventured away from your pledge occasionally, but have done so unintentionally out of frustration rather than logical thought. Believe it or not, my initial intent was to have rational cogent discussions about the state of the country.
I think that the country is in trouble due to the polarization of the people. I actually think Obama's speech last night was a step in the right direction, but we need movement on both sides. Boehner's statements of "I won't budge" are not doing anyone any favors.
The Keystone Pipeline should be done. A jobs plan to rebuild the aging infrastructure should be done. 60% of american's think the uber-rich should pay more taxes. These are not radical thoughts and holding the country hostage to get your way on everything is not going to improve the state of the country.
Sadly, I don't see a big change until we have a third party. This election $6 billion dollars were spent for what? Think of how much good that money could have brought. The other party is "listening" if the other party budges. The other party is bickering or radical if the other party doesn't budge.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:32 PM
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Thus, my legitimate question to the Obama supporters. Now that the campaign is over, how do you honestly foresee the gap between spending and revenue being reconciled. It was easy during the campaign to say "the rich should pay their fair share". But, now the campaign is over. We know there simply aren't enough rich to make any kind of dent in the gap, so how does this get reconciled?
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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:44 PM
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MUCrisco wrote: Likewise, I don't understand what Mutaman has to offer other than name calling and gotcha remarks. I contribute not suffering fools gladly and being right about almost everything. Only in the world of this blog can one like Duck Wayne condemn to hell those he disagrees with politically and be excused because "At least Duke contributes to the Packer and Marquette boards." Only in the world of this blog can one like Mucrisco start a post by pledging to be civil and then immediately launch an Ad hominem attack on another poster. Typical.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:48 PM
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benji123 wrote: Thus, my legitimate question to the Obama supporters. Now that the campaign is over, how do you honestly foresee the gap between spending and revenue being reconciled. It was easy during the campaign to say "the rich should pay their fair share". But, now the campaign is over. We know there simply aren't enough rich to make any kind of dent in the gap, so how does this get reconciled? And he said "the best is yet to come."
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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:57 PM
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benji123 wrote: Thus, my legitimate question to the Obama supporters. Now that the campaign is over, how do you honestly foresee the gap between spending and revenue being reconciled. It was easy during the campaign to say "the rich should pay their fair share". But, now the campaign is over. We know there simply aren't enough rich to make any kind of dent in the gap, so how does this get reconciled? By not making the deficit a priority until you've cleaned up the Bush recession and got America back to work. You don't practice austerity during a downswing. Economics 101. |
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Posted: 11/7/2012 3:11 PM
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Frankly, I wish I knew how all of this will be reconciled. I don't know what approach the President is going to take. I agree that there are not enough rich one percenters to be able to put a dent in the national debt. I have a feeling that because of the size of the budget deficit and the debt that WE WILL ALL PAY. There is no other way around it. Go Warriors! |
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Posted: 11/7/2012 3:11 PM
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What is the goal of taxing the rich more? In my opinion, it's to incite the people with less money in order to gain more support for yourself. If you could, explain how and why I am wrong. If you tax the rich 100%, how long will that fund the government? Is the bigger problem spending, or taxes?
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Posted: 11/7/2012 3:12 PM
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Thank you for your civil reply. Ultimately, I believe you are right. |
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Posted: 11/7/2012 3:26 PM
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And you don't raise taxes in a downswing either.....Barrack Obama 2010 Although the recession clearly happened on Bushes watch it was not he who caused it. The financial crisis has plenty of blame to go around and any fair minded person knows it. Mutaman wrote:
benji123 wrote: Thus, my legitimate question to the Obama supporters. Now that the campaign is over, how do you honestly foresee the gap between spending and revenue being reconciled. It was easy during the campaign to say "the rich should pay their fair share". But, now the campaign is over. We know there simply aren't enough rich to make any kind of dent in the gap, so how does this get reconciled? By not making the deficit a priority until you've cleaned up the Bush recession and got America back to work. You don't practice austerity during a downswing. Economics 101. |
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Posted: 11/7/2012 3:31 PM
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markedman5 wrote: And you don't raise taxes in a downswing either.....Barrack Obama 2010
Although the recession clearly happened on Bushes watch ********** 1. Obama's not an economist- his mild stimulus proved it. 2. " Although the recession clearly happened on Bushes watch"
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Posted: 11/7/2012 3:45 PM
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Suggestions for deficit reduction. Means test entitlements. Military cuts. Cost controls on health care. Jobs programs. Overhauling of the tax code. National sales tax on the internet. I am willing to pay more if I know the millionaire around the corner is paying more and I know it is going to bring down the deficit. Austerity alone will not bring down the deficit. We are seeing in Europe that just cutting takes the recessionary spiral deeper. So it has to be a finely calibrated combination of cuts, stimuluses, and revenue increases.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 3:54 PM
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What needs to happen is we all need to pay more in taxes, period. I don't make a ton of money, but I am comfortable enough that I certainly could afford to pay a lot more than I currently do. I am sure many of you, if you really looked at what you spent your money on, could find some extra cash that you waste on silly expenditures.
Why this country has gone the way of not paying for its needs is ridiculous to me. The no new tax pledges are killing this country. To really balance the budget without absolutely destroying the social safety net you simply need us all to pay more. There isn't enough discretionary spending or military spending to cut. Do you really advocate cutting off medical care and throwing disabled people into the streets?
I just don't get the argument that because I am going to be taxed at a 4 or 5% higher rate on my next $10,000 that I am no longer going to work for that $6000, but if I could make $6500, then yes absolutely I would do it. To me that is just a false argument and it wouldn't matter what the rate was, that person just doesn't want to pay any taxes. The reality is that you have the ability to earn that level of salary because you live in (and were lucky enough to be born here) this great country. That you and I have been lucky enough to avoid the great lottery results that befall others means you should be more than willing to pay in to care for those that have not been as fortunate.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 3:55 PM
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Tower, I agree with most of what you said. The fact of the matter is our economy is in trouble and I don't necessarily see it getting better soon. Neither president was going to change that.
If we go straight austerity, which is similar in vein to the right's ideology, we have two choices end up like Greece or float our currency. Both are ugly. And in reality either way we may need to eventually float the currency.
We can do a mixture of raising additional revenue from the wealthy, with spending cuts as Tower outlines. The problem is the middle is poor right now, taking any additional money from them would likely tip us deeper into recession.
As for negotiations, there were not going to be any bending before the election. If the right allowed tax increases even if they got the Keystone pipeline, several people would have lost their re-election bids. On the left, bending again to the right, would have resulted in similar repercussions. Hopefully now, they will focus on today instead of their next election.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 4:02 PM
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tower912 wrote: Suggestions for deficit reduction. Means test entitlements. Military cuts. Cost controls on health care. Jobs programs. Overhauling of the tax code. National sales tax on the internet. I am willing to pay more if I know the millionaire around the corner is paying more and I know it is going to bring down the deficit. Austerity alone will not bring down the deficit. We are seeing in Europe that just cutting takes the recessionary spiral deeper. So it has to be a finely calibrated combination of cuts, stimuluses, and revenue increases. Agreed, although I doubt you are going to be able to sell any more stimulus packages, but it has to be a combination - not either/or. |
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Posted: 11/7/2012 4:12 PM
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CaribouJim wrote:
tower912 wrote: Suggestions for deficit reduction. Means test entitlements. Military cuts. Cost controls on health care. Jobs programs. Overhauling of the tax code. National sales tax on the internet. I am willing to pay more if I know the millionaire around the corner is paying more and I know it is going to bring down the deficit. Austerity alone will not bring down the deficit. We are seeing in Europe that just cutting takes the recessionary spiral deeper. So it has to be a finely calibrated combination of cuts, stimuluses, and revenue increases. Agreed, although I doubt you are going to be able to sell any more stimulus packages, but it has to be a combination - not either/or. ...and if I could add one other thing, if the two sides were able to come together with a substantive and just combination of cuts and revenue it would calm the markets both here and abroad and send the message that we as a country have our act together and you'd have that domino result of companies less concerned about uncertainty and then hopefully free up the ton of cash they are sitting on and start hiring people and let nature take its course from there. |
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Posted: 11/7/2012 4:18 PM
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I, like Crisco, love discussing politics. I have all but boycotted this board for the last couple of years because of tone. I enthusiastically endorse his idea of having constructive discussions like adults and not like talking heads. And touching on Caribou's last post, an overall agreement, a la Clinton's of a generation ago, where a long term budget was enacted with spending constraints in place along with a tax reform package that simplifies the code and ends up with a modest increase in revenues would cause a lot of money sitting on the sidelines to get in the game. Yes, there would need to be some entitlement reforms and military cuts. But the only way to be truly fair is to come up with a deal that has something in it to piss off everybody.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 5:13 PM
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MUCrisco wrote: I use to love discussing politics with my friends. Some of my best memories at Marquette and shortly after, was discussing the issues with my friends late into the night. Like I said before, one of my best friends is a self proclaimed socialist. I'm a conservative. We are able to discuss our views all of the time. Do things get heated? Of course, they do, but we never resort to personal attacks and name calling.
There was point in time on this board when it was unreadable. It was all personal attacks. While I agree with him on most issues, I personally cringe at DukeWayne's demeanor. Likewise, I don't understand what Mutaman has to offer other than name calling and gotcha remarks. At least Duke contributes to the Packer and Marquette boards. Recently, I think some threads have gotten better where people are at least asking questions and listening.
I fear this time in our country. With the popular vote almost split down the middle, and two opposite viewpoints offered as choice in this election, this was not a mandate. Instead, I think it was won through a message of hate and finger pointing. I wonder if our leaders will be strong enough to lead and stop their finger pointing to fire up their base. Will they instead say,"How can I help the situation out?" Or will they continue saying,"You need to help me!". I have no confidence in them. I feel like we are right back to where we started.
My feeling, is that change is going to have to come from the people. We are the ones who have to start listening to each other. We are the ones who are most affected, not the powerful. We need to demand from our leaders to stop the finger pointing and get this country moving again. I think we, the people, will be the ones to make that happen. The politicians have shown they are unable to do the job. We need to demand better.
So, it is my hope that this board becomes and remains more civil. Let's find the middle ground together. Let's not add to the hate we have for the other side. Fuel conversations and threads that are constructive. Ignore the name calling and chest thumping. We have a common interest in Marquette. If we can come together, and bring our message to our friends, maybe we can grow a new mentality in this country. That is what I am going to do. That is my pledge to this board. If you think that taking the so-called "high ground" with the left on the board is going to score you some points with them, look were it got Romney. Obama had nothing to run on, only attack Romney, and it got him another term. It's the only thing they understand and that is being under handed. I would trust a bull in a pen before I would trust this bunch. I survive on this Island because I don't take any of their crap, and they know it. Call me all the names you want, but never, ever trust a liberal. When you can justify killing a baby in the womb, and take God out of your party platform, you can justify just about anything. Heck you can even justify letting four American's die alone in the middle east for crying outloud. " If we lose freedom here there's no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth" Ronald Reagan
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Posted: 11/7/2012 5:15 PM
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Mutaman wrote:
MUCrisco wrote: Likewise, I don't understand what Mutaman has to offer other than name calling and gotcha remarks. I contribute not suffering fools gladly and being right about almost everything.
Only in the world of this blog can one like Duck Wayne condemn to hell those he disagrees with politically and be excused because "At least Duke contributes to the Packer and Marquette boards."
Only in the world of this blog can one like Mucrisco start a post by pledging to be civil and then immediately launch an Ad hominem attack on another poster.
Typical. Hey I'm not the guy who is sending you to Hell, you're doing it to yourself. Why always blame me for your screwup? " If we lose freedom here there's no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth" Ronald Reagan
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Posted: 11/7/2012 6:26 PM
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CaribouJim wrote:
CaribouJim wrote:
tower912 wrote: Suggestions for deficit reduction. Means test entitlements. Military cuts. Cost controls on health care. Jobs programs. Overhauling of the tax code. National sales tax on the internet. I am willing to pay more if I know the millionaire around the corner is paying more and I know it is going to bring down the deficit. Austerity alone will not bring down the deficit. We are seeing in Europe that just cutting takes the recessionary spiral deeper. So it has to be a finely calibrated combination of cuts, stimuluses, and revenue increases. Agreed, although I doubt you are going to be able to sell any more stimulus packages, but it has to be a combination - not either/or. ...and if I could add one other thing, if the two sides were able to come together with a substantive and just combination of cuts and revenue it would calm the markets both here and abroad and send the message that we as a country have our act together and you'd have that domino result of companies less concerned about uncertainty and then hopefully free up the ton of cash they are sitting on and start hiring people and let nature take its course from there. Caribou, the problem is there are tools like Harry Reid that will make it mighty hard for the two sides to come together. I'm sure there is a Harry Reid on the Republican side also. Reid said last week, "What makes Romney think we will pass his extremist agenda. It won't happen." Today he says, " compromise isn't a dirty word." So compromise is ok after your side won? I don't blame anybody for not working with a hypocritical a-hole like that. Too many of those types(on both sides) in Washington D.C. |
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Posted: 11/7/2012 6:31 PM
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DukeWayne wrote:
Mutaman wrote:
MUCrisco wrote: Likewise, I don't understand what Mutaman has to offer other than name calling and gotcha remarks. I contribute not suffering fools gladly and being right about almost everything.
Only in the world of this blog can one like Duck Wayne condemn to hell those he disagrees with politically and be excused because "At least Duke contributes to the Packer and Marquette boards."
Only in the world of this blog can one like Mucrisco start a post by pledging to be civil and then immediately launch an Ad hominem attack on another poster.
Typical. Hey I'm not the guy who is sending you to Hell, you're doing it to yourself. Why always blame me for your screwup? Sat what you will about the Duck, at least he contributes to the Packer and Marquette boards. Hey Duck, how'd that Billy Graham endorsement work out? |
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Posted: 11/8/2012 6:06 AM
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Mutaman wrote:
DukeWayne wrote:
Mutaman wrote:
MUCrisco wrote: Likewise, I don't understand what Mutaman has to offer other than name calling and gotcha remarks. I contribute not suffering fools gladly and being right about almost everything.
Only in the world of this blog can one like Duck Wayne condemn to hell those he disagrees with politically and be excused because "At least Duke contributes to the Packer and Marquette boards."
Only in the world of this blog can one like Mucrisco start a post by pledging to be civil and then immediately launch an Ad hominem attack on another poster.
Typical. Hey I'm not the guy who is sending you to Hell, you're doing it to yourself. Why always blame me for your screwup? Sat what you will about the Duck, at least he contributes to the Packer and Marquette boards. Hey Duck, how'd that Billy Graham endorsement work out? Sat what you will about the Duck? A little to much reefer a-hole? " If we lose freedom here there's no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth" Ronald Reagan
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Posted: 11/8/2012 9:07 AM
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MUAlphaBangura wrote:
CaribouJim wrote:
CaribouJim wrote:
tower912 wrote: Suggestions for deficit reduction. Means test entitlements. Military cuts. Cost controls on health care. Jobs programs. Overhauling of the tax code. National sales tax on the internet. I am willing to pay more if I know the millionaire around the corner is paying more and I know it is going to bring down the deficit. Austerity alone will not bring down the deficit. We are seeing in Europe that just cutting takes the recessionary spiral deeper. So it has to be a finely calibrated combination of cuts, stimuluses, and revenue increases. Agreed, although I doubt you are going to be able to sell any more stimulus packages, but it has to be a combination - not either/or. ...and if I could add one other thing, if the two sides were able to come together with a substantive and just combination of cuts and revenue it would calm the markets both here and abroad and send the message that we as a country have our act together and you'd have that domino result of companies less concerned about uncertainty and then hopefully free up the ton of cash they are sitting on and start hiring people and let nature take its course from there. Caribou, the problem is there are tools like Harry Reid that will make it mighty hard for the two sides to come together. I'm sure there is a Harry Reid on the Republican side also. Reid said last week, "What makes Romney think we will pass his extremist agenda. It won't happen." Today he says, " compromise isn't a dirty word." So compromise is ok after your side won? I don't blame anybody for not working with a hypocritical a-hole like that. Too many of those types(on both sides) in Washington D.C. Agreed - that is why I suggested in a thread here somewhere yesterday afternoon that both Reid and McConnell get launched - they are mirror images of each other and preferably go a little more youthful if at all possible. I think the President and Boehner can and will work something out - they already have a template that they were working on before. |
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Posted: 11/8/2012 2:16 PM
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CaribouJim wrote:
MUAlphaBangura wrote:
CaribouJim wrote:
CaribouJim wrote:
tower912 wrote: Suggestions for deficit reduction. Means test entitlements. Military cuts. Cost controls on health care. Jobs programs. Overhauling of the tax code. National sales tax on the internet. I am willing to pay more if I know the millionaire around the corner is paying more and I know it is going to bring down the deficit. Austerity alone will not bring down the deficit. We are seeing in Europe that just cutting takes the recessionary spiral deeper. So it has to be a finely calibrated combination of cuts, stimuluses, and revenue increases. Agreed, although I doubt you are going to be able to sell any more stimulus packages, but it has to be a combination - not either/or. ...and if I could add one other thing, if the two sides were able to come together with a substantive and just combination of cuts and revenue it would calm the markets both here and abroad and send the message that we as a country have our act together and you'd have that domino result of companies less concerned about uncertainty and then hopefully free up the ton of cash they are sitting on and start hiring people and let nature take its course from there. Caribou, the problem is there are tools like Harry Reid that will make it mighty hard for the two sides to come together. I'm sure there is a Harry Reid on the Republican side also. Reid said last week, "What makes Romney think we will pass his extremist agenda. It won't happen." Today he says, " compromise isn't a dirty word." So compromise is ok after your side won? I don't blame anybody for not working with a hypocritical a-hole like that. Too many of those types(on both sides) in Washington D.C. Agreed - that is why I suggested in a thread here somewhere yesterday afternoon that both Reid and McConnell get launched - they are mirror images of each other and preferably go a little more youthful if at all possible.
I think the President and Boehner can and will work something out - they already have a template that they were working on before. I think we just man-hugged! Bring home a win.  |
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Posted: 11/8/2012 3:16 PM
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CaribouJim wrote:
CaribouJim wrote:
tower912 wrote: Suggestions for deficit reduction. Means test entitlements. Military cuts. Cost controls on health care. Jobs programs. Overhauling of the tax code. National sales tax on the internet. I am willing to pay more if I know the millionaire around the corner is paying more and I know it is going to bring down the deficit. Austerity alone will not bring down the deficit. We are seeing in Europe that just cutting takes the recessionary spiral deeper. So it has to be a finely calibrated combination of cuts, stimuluses, and revenue increases. Agreed, although I doubt you are going to be able to sell any more stimulus packages, but it has to be a combination - not either/or. ...and if I could add one other thing, if the two sides were able to come together with a substantive and just combination of cuts and revenue it would calm the markets both here and abroad and send the message that we as a country have our act together and you'd have that domino result of companies less concerned about uncertainty and then hopefully free up the ton of cash they are sitting on and start hiring people and let nature take its course from there. Caribou, the problem is there are tools like Harry Reid that will make it mighty hard for the two sides to come together. I'm sure there is a Harry Reid on the Republican side also. Reid said last week, "What makes Romney think we will pass his extremist agenda. It won't happen." Today he says, " compromise isn't a dirty word." So compromise is ok after your side won? I don't blame anybody for not working with a hypocritical a-hole like that. Too many of those types(on both sides) in Washington D.C. Agreed - that is why I suggested in a thread here somewhere yesterday afternoon that both Reid and McConnell get launched - they are mirror images of each other and preferably go a little more youthful if at all possible.
I think the President and Boehner can and will work something out - they already have a template that they were working on before. I think we just man-hugged! Bring home a win. I'll do my best - I'm going to wear my Thurston B. Howell Sunday best With the Captain's hat of course - look for me - just need to find a "Luvie".
Last edited 11/8/2012 3:18 PM by CaribouJim
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