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OT: Ryan Braun Wins Appeal!

Posted: 2/23/2012 4:07 PM

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according to Haudricourt...MLB players assoc says they won...

But MLB says and AP says it is upheld...banghead 

They must have had a pre packaged story and they put up the wrong one...

Last edited 2/23/2012 4:26 PM by DoddsOnSports

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Posted: 2/23/2012 4:18 PM

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Breaking on ESPN right now too... Big news for the brewers
"A team should be an extension of a coach's personality. My teams are arrogant and obnoxious"  ~ Al McGuire
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Posted: 2/23/2012 4:25 PM

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great news...now...to ESPN who broke the story...and who said that Braun was guilty because 12 players had appealed and all 12 appeals were denied...therefore Braun is guilty....take that!
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Posted: 2/23/2012 4:27 PM

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Great news, now maybe Braun should consider going after MLB for putting him through this crap.


Lets Go Warriors!!!
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Posted: 2/23/2012 4:32 PM

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Where are all the posters who convicted him before the appeal was even heard?

Great news for the Brewers and for Braun.
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Posted: 2/23/2012 4:37 PM

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MUWarrior1 wrote: Great news, now maybe Braun should consider going after MLB for putting him through this crap.
Oh I think there will definitely be a lawsuit, should Braun choose to pursue it. This whole process was handled horribly from the beginning.
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Posted: 2/23/2012 4:40 PM

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markedman5 wrote: Where are all the posters who convicted him before the appeal was even heard?

Great news for the Brewers and for Braun.
While Braun is certainly owed an apology, in all fairness, it was completely reasonable for people to assume he was guilty. He failed a drug test, and up until today no big leaguer had ever had a positive test over-turned. THis was clearly an exceptional case, and one not exactly comparable to the normal judicial system where a defendant is innocent until proven guilty.
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Posted: 2/23/2012 4:56 PM

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Reading the Journal Sentinel, it appears Braun's lawyers were able to convince the panel that the MLB did not cover its bases on some sort of technicality in the process. Wonder what that was.
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Posted: 2/23/2012 4:59 PM

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In a statement, Major League Baseball said it "vehemently disagrees" with the 2-1 ruling, which marked the first time a player has successfully challenged the automatic ban.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s...spension-022312

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Posted: 2/23/2012 5:01 PM

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mufinalfour wrote: Reading the Journal Sentinel, it appears Braun's lawyers were able to convince the panel that the MLB did not cover its bases on some sort of technicality in the process. Wonder what that was.
They are saying the chain of custody was broken for 2 days and it was unprotected. That's a pretty long time to allow for it to be tampered with. Also, the two mystery Brewers that had their tests thrown out make it even more interesting.
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Posted: 2/23/2012 5:04 PM

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cheebs09 wrote:
mufinalfour wrote: Reading the Journal Sentinel, it appears Braun's lawyers were able to convince the panel that the MLB did not cover its bases on some sort of technicality in the process. Wonder what that was.
They are saying the chain of custody was broken for 2 days and it was unprotected. That's a pretty long time to allow for it to be tampered with. Also, the two mystery Brewers that had their tests thrown out make it even more interesting.
Where are you seeing this about the chain of custody problem? That would seem to be a pretty serious flaw in the collection and testing process.
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Posted: 2/23/2012 5:07 PM

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I'm not sure if I'm more stunned by this or that 27 pound lobster caught off the coast of Maine.  I still think the damage (from a national perspective) is done, and some concrete explanation about this whole thing needs to come out.

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Posted: 2/23/2012 5:08 PM

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Saw it on Twitter via John Heyman. ESPN is saying the person who was supposed to take it to FedEx wasn't sure it was open on Saturday, kept it at their house and took it home Monday to send it out. It will be interesting to see where this goes.
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Posted: 2/23/2012 5:18 PM

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from what I read is he won his appeal on the process as noted above. But this doesnt mean he didnt take anything. Unless they can prove he didnt take anything or it was tampered with he is off free due to good lawyers. Not free from taking something.

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Posted: 2/23/2012 5:30 PM

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mufan97 wrote: from what I read is he won his appeal on the process as noted above. But this doesnt mean he didnt take anything. Unless they can prove he didnt take anything or it was tampered with he is off free due to good lawyers. Not free from taking something.
But, how can you POSSIBLY prove positively that you didn't take anything. If you are going to have a procedure that puts the burden of overturning a positive test on the player, you'd better make absolutely sure that the process is handled in an uncompromising way.

Maybe MLB can learn from this and tighten up its procedure.
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Posted: 2/23/2012 5:38 PM

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zul8ter wrote:

In a statement, Major League Baseball said it "vehemently disagrees" with the 2-1 ruling, which marked the first time a player has successfully challenged the automatic ban.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s...spension-022312


I imagine Major League Baseball is all indignant about the ruling. But at this stage of the proceeding, I think they're missing the bigger point than that someone beat them in an arbitration hearing for the first time.

If they are truly worried about image, etc, MLB should damn fast find out how this got leaked to ESPN in the first place. These are Braun's private medical records, and none of this should have ever gotten into the public domain. Either someone at the Lab or someone in the MLB offices needs to pay a very high price for this (who on this Board wants their medical records published in the New York Times).

Why should fans of MLB (or the players for that matter) trust the whole "testing" process unless there is absolute confidentiality.noidea
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Posted: 2/23/2012 5:42 PM

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Go Brewers!!!
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Posted: 2/23/2012 5:45 PM

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http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7608360/ryan-bra un-wins-appeal-50-game-suspension

Hardly seems like he didn't take the roids though...
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Posted: 2/23/2012 5:45 PM

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Really...won his appeal due to an error in the process...does not deny the test result. Still cheated.
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Posted: 2/23/2012 5:48 PM

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wisblue wrote:
mufan97 wrote: from what I read is he won his appeal on the process as noted above. But this doesnt mean he didnt take anything. Unless they can prove he didnt take anything or it was tampered with he is off free due to good lawyers. Not free from taking something.
But, how can you POSSIBLY prove positively that you didn't take anything. If you are going to have a procedure that puts the burden of overturning a positive test on the player, you'd better make absolutely sure that the process is handled in an uncompromising way.

Maybe MLB can learn from this and tighten up its procedure.
Very well stated Wisblue. Who knows if he took something. But if Braun's case was good enough to convince a neutral party on appeal of his innocence when no one has ever done so, its good enough for me.
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