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Posted: 1/24/2013 6:05 PM
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Posted: 1/24/2013 6:34 PM
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mufansince72 wrote: http://www.foxsportswisconsin....amp;feedID=5059 IF, in his 10th start, Kaepernick wins the Super Bowl MVP he will have equaled ARod and surpassed Favre in the most important QB achievement - leading your team to a SB win [being the SB MVP is the tie breaker]. As strange as it seems at this instant, in 10 days we may be talking about whether Kaepernick is better than ARod. The game is changing fast -- RGIII seemed to be the QB of the future, but he's not built to last. Kaeperinick avoids contact -- 170+ yards rushing BEFORE contact against the Pack. AND he throws well. Even with all this it might be silly to compare him to ARod this soon, but with the recent reports that ARod isn't acting as a leader and may be creating a divided locker room - I think it is an open question. Guys like Favre and Marino had quick success and then became bigger than the team - never to win again. I hope ARod doesn't follow that path. |
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Posted: 1/24/2013 6:39 PM
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If you look at that 2011 draft, there are already MAJOR regrets -- Blaine Gabbert ahead of Andy Dalton and Kaepernick? Good thing the Vikings took Ponder ahead of Dalton and especially Kaepernick - I'd hate to have that beast in our division.
I would have been apoplectic if the Pack took Kaepernick at 32 instead of Sherrod - but it would have been a brillant pick. BPA?
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Posted: 1/24/2013 6:43 PM
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SaintVincent wrote: If you look at that 2011 draft, there are already MAJOR regrets -- Blaine Gabbert ahead of Andy Dalton and Kaepernick? Good thing the Vikings took Ponder ahead of Dalton and especially Kaepernick - I'd hate to have that beast in our division.
I would have been apoplectic if the Pack took Kaepernick at 32 instead of Sherrod - but it would have been a brillant pick. BPA? Sherrod was a Need" pick. Once a coach, always a coach ------ and sometimes serving as "the devils advocate" ! |
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Posted: 1/24/2013 8:47 PM
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gr8one1 wrote:
SaintVincent wrote: If you look at that 2011 draft, there are already MAJOR regrets -- Blaine Gabbert ahead of Andy Dalton and Kaepernick? Good thing the Vikings took Ponder ahead of Dalton and especially Kaepernick - I'd hate to have that beast in our division.
I would have been apoplectic if the Pack took Kaepernick at 32 instead of Sherrod - but it would have been a brillant pick. BPA? Sherrod was a Need" pick. True - and a bad pick as well. But looking at that list, Dalton and Kaepernick were plainly the best players available - should the Pack have picked a QB who would play out his rookie deal as a backup to ARod? |
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Posted: 1/24/2013 9:24 PM
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They turned out to be the best player available but nobody knew it then.
You can do every draft over and every team would pick different guys then they ended up with.
If they were plainly the BPA available they would have gone much earlier. They didn't because they weren't at that time.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 9:31 PM
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several thoughts...
1. Kaepernick will be unable to be touched if GB has an OLB the quality of Walden. You cannot count on him....and a finesse defense that can only guard the pass...barely rush the passer with Matthews....and is not stout vs the run. However, find a Lance Briggs type ...put him at OLB...and drill Kaepernick on every run fake...[see Perry's hit on Luck]...and Kaepernick will not have a long career running the ball..
2. Sherrod was a pick at a 'need position'...OT...TT saw that CLifton was barely hanging on in 2011...I spoke to scouts of 2 teams who loved Sherrod....GB was also looking at Carimi at this position...
3. I have to give props to 49erHater...who was talking up Kaepernick before that draft...and actually wanted GB to take a shot at him before the '11 draft...
Last edited 1/24/2013 9:44 PM by DoddsOnSports
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Posted: 1/24/2013 9:44 PM
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DoddsOnSports wrote:several thoughts...
1. Kaepernick will be unable to be touched if GB has an OLB the quality of Walden. You cannot count on him....and a finesse defense that can only guard the pass...barely rush the passer with Matthews....and is not stout vs the run. However, find a Lance Briggs type ...put him at OLB...and drill Kaepernick on every run fake...[see Perry's hit on Luck]...and Kaepernick will not have a long career running the ball..
2. Sherrod was a pick at a 'need position'...OT...TT saw that CLifton was barely hanging on in 2011...I spoke to scouts of 2 teams who loved Sherrod....GB was also looking at Carimi at this position... Kaepernick doesn't need to run the ball -- and he sure didn't against Bears and Briggs when he crushed them in his first NFL start. BUT the ability to run that he has opens things up for him. The key is the Niner's o-line which is as good as the Pack's line was during the Ahman Green era --a dominating offensive line makes the RB and QB much better. Alex Smith was the ONE thing holding the Niners back - I have to give Harbaugh credit for dumping Smith - there aren't many coaches that would have done that. |
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Posted: 1/24/2013 9:52 PM
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SaintVincent wrote:
Kaepernick doesn't need to run the ball -- and he sure didn't against Bears and Briggs when he crushed them in his first NFL start. [if Kaepernick was playing behind the CHi Bear OL that night and being successful....I would drive him to Canton right now. I guess I am confused...Briggs is not good because he played on a bad team that night?
BUT the ability to run that he has opens things up for him. The key is the Niner's o-line which is as good as the Pack's line was during the Ahman Green era --a dominating offensive line makes the RB and QB much better. [yes...which is why GB needs bigger and better DL...]
Alex Smith was the ONE thing holding the Niners back - I have to give Harbaugh credit for dumping Smith - there aren't many coaches that would have done that.[I have said this for almost 2 yrs...Harbaugh did not like Smith...he could not make plays that were open in 2011...you just had to see the look on JH's face...Smith is a good qb if he lets the team win it for him and does not make mistakes...CK makes plays... |
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Posted: 1/24/2013 10:08 PM
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mufansince72 wrote: http://www.foxsportswisconsin....amp;feedID=5059 Why didn't someone give him a James Lofton jersey?  |
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Posted: 1/24/2013 11:05 PM
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DoddsOnSports wrote:
SaintVincent wrote:
Kaepernick doesn't need to run the ball -- and he sure didn't against Bears and Briggs when he crushed them in his first NFL start. [if Kaepernick was playing behind the CHi Bear OL that night and being successful....I would drive him to Canton right now. I guess I am confused...Briggs is not good because he played on a bad team that night?
BUT the ability to run that he has opens things up for him. The key is the Niner's o-line which is as good as the Pack's line was during the Ahman Green era --a dominating offensive line makes the RB and QB much better. [yes...which is why GB needs bigger and better DL...]
Alex Smith was the ONE thing holding the Niners back - I have to give Harbaugh credit for dumping Smith - there aren't many coaches that would have done that.[I have said this for almost 2 yrs...Harbaugh did not like Smith...he could not make plays that were open in 2011...you just had to see the look on JH's face...Smith is a good qb if he lets the team win it for him and does not make mistakes...CK makes plays... Not saying Briggs isn't good - just disputing the point that a Briggs-type player would shut CK down when the ultimate "Briggs type" player - Briggs himself failed miserably. Offensive line is very IMPORTANT - the difference between Eli Manning and Archie Manning is o-line. |
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Posted: 1/25/2013 8:53 AM
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what is scary - it's only his 10 start! he is amazingly fast for QB AND with a cannon / accurate arm! AR nor Favre never looked that good at 10 starts (and yes Kaep has a better team around him) but, running QB's never last long - see Vick, RGIII - better have 2 good QB's if you are going to run the QB that much As when Favre started to be a diva, where do you want me to start  let's start on Jan, 3 1997 when he hinted at retirement for the first of 30 times...  SaintVincent wrote:
mufansince72 wrote: http://www.foxsportswisconsin....amp;feedID=5059
IF, in his 10th start, Kaepernick wins the Super Bowl MVP he will have equaled ARod and surpassed Favre in the most important QB achievement - leading your team to a SB win [being the SB MVP is the tie breaker].
As strange as it seems at this instant, in 10 days we may be talking about whether Kaepernick is better than ARod. The game is changing fast -- RGIII seemed to be the QB of the future, but he's not built to last. Kaeperinick avoids contact -- 170+ yards rushing BEFORE contact against the Pack. AND he throws well.
Even with all this it might be silly to compare him to ARod this soon, but with the recent reports that ARod isn't acting as a leader and may be creating a divided locker room - I think it is an open question. Guys like Favre and Marino had quick success and then became bigger than the team - never to win again. I hope ARod doesn't follow that path. |
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Posted: 1/25/2013 9:19 AM
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As fantastic as Kaepernick looks, that team around him was already a great one before he took the reins at QB. A decent, but not great QB led that team to the brink of the NFC Championship last year where 2 fumbled punts kept them from advancing to the Super Bowl.
Coming into 2012, that San Fran Offensive Line improved over what they were in 2011. Even in Week 1, Alex Smith had all day to throw vs. the Pack at Lambeau when he needed to, and they put up 30 points on the road vs. a healthier Pack defense.
Now that all said, Kaepernick does appear to be an upgrade from Smith as he's got some rare skills. But as Dodds says, put him on a team with a lesser offensive line like say what the Packers or Bears have and I think he goes through a few more growing pains. To his credit though, Kaepernick looks like the real deal and he does have one of the best offensive lines of the past decade in front of him making life easy.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 11:19 AM
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madtownwarrior wrote:
As when Favre started to be a diva, where do you want me to start
let's start on Jan, 3 1997 when he hinted at retirement for the first of 30 times...
if you began to worry about Favre in Jan 1997...you must have been tough to live with as the Mayan calendar wound down. |
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Posted: 1/25/2013 11:25 AM
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Posted: 1/25/2013 11:31 AM
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Favre was just flaky enough to start every game for 16 yrs...in the cap era...being able to count on your highest paid guy week in week out...never a sal issue in the media with GB...I was impressed...I guess my standards are too low... |
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Posted: 1/25/2013 12:02 PM
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Let's also remember that a year ago everybody was bronzing the statue for Cam Newton after his rookie of the year season.
Now he is almost not even talked about when discussing the best young QBs in the game.
Greatness is proven over time.
Last edited 1/25/2013 12:02 PM by markedman5
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Posted: 1/26/2013 1:29 PM
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How about Don Horn being named the next Bart Starr after the 1969 game with the Cardinals.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 6:46 PM
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SaintVincent wrote:
gr8one1 wrote:
SaintVincent wrote: If you look at that 2011 draft, there are already MAJOR regrets -- Blaine Gabbert ahead of Andy Dalton and Kaepernick? Good thing the Vikings took Ponder ahead of Dalton and especially Kaepernick - I'd hate to have that beast in our division.
I would have been apoplectic if the Pack took Kaepernick at 32 instead of Sherrod - but it would have been a brillant pick. BPA? Sherrod was a Need" pick. True - and a bad pick as well. But looking at that list, Dalton and Kaepernick were plainly the best players available - should the Pack have picked a QB who would play out his rookie deal as a backup to ARod? Kappernick was a BPA in hindsight.....but to answer to your question ....one has to use his head, let's say he was the BPA, there is almost always someone who is the BPA equal (or close to equal).....with AR you go for that guy.....having said that, GB needs a competent back up QB. Harrell isn't the guy. Once a coach, always a coach ------ and sometimes serving as "the devils advocate" ! |
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Posted: 1/26/2013 9:13 PM
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--------------------------------------------- --- gr8one1 wrote: SaintVincent wrote:
gr8one1 wrote:
SaintVincent wrote: If you look at that 2011 draft, there are already MAJOR regrets -- Blaine Gabbert ahead of Andy Dalton and Kaepernick? Good thing the Vikings took Ponder ahead of Dalton and especially Kaepernick - I'd hate to have that beast in our division.
I would have been apoplectic if the Pack took Kaepernick at 32 instead of Sherrod - but it would have been a brillant pick. BPA? Sherrod was a Need" pick. True - and a bad pick as well. But looking at that list, Dalton and Kaepernick were plainly the best players available - should the Pack have picked a QB who would play out his rookie deal as a backup to ARod? Kappernick was a BPA in hindsight.....but to answer to your question ....one has to use his head, let's say he was the BPA, there is almost always someone who is the BPA equal (or close to equal).....with AR you go for that guy.....having said that, GB needs a competent back up QB. Harrell isn't the guy. --------------------------------------------- So you don't take the BPA - you take the BP who fills a need? That makes sense. Taking for need at one position and ignoring a better player who fills another need who be as foolish as picking a BPA regardless of need. |
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