Well, offensive..... (:

The defense rests.



BTW:I think TT needs to pick up a few good men before the Bear game.

This is the softest zone I have ever seen....it's a joke how bad it is

Stafford 12-14......

Undermanned !

Lions doing exactly what I bitch about MM and AR for not doing - they go for the easy 3rd down conversion rather than going down field all the time....

Capers's rendition of the 3-4 isn't long for this world......GB is loaded with talent in the defensive backfield......and very little pass rush with or without Matthews. The 3-4 can't stop the run either.....need a guy running the D with something new.......same old, same old has run its course.

Gave up 400 yds in a snow storm to a 4-9 team.

As was the case last year, the defense lacks a Cullen Jenkins type DT that collapses the middle of the pocket - not sure if the original Cullen Jenkins v1.0 still has it in 2012 as he did in 2011 and 2010, but that's what the Pack needs.

SaintVincent wrote: As was the case last year, the defense lacks a Cullen Jenkins type DT that collapses the middle of the pocket - not sure if the original Cullen Jenkins v1.0 still has it in 2012 as he did in 2011 and 2010, but that's what the Pack needs.

Well every defense could use a pro bowl type player to fill a need and Jenkins wasn't even a probowl player (was hurt all the time to boot)----but Capers is supposed to be  a "great defensive mind"----he's failing to live up to that and missing one guy, barring a Reggie White type, isn't a good reason......makes a good excuse though!

gr8one1 wrote:

SaintVincent wrote: As was the case last year, the defense lacks a Cullen Jenkins type DT that collapses the middle of the pocket - not sure if the original Cullen Jenkins v1.0 still has it in 2012 as he did in 2011 and 2010, but that's what the Pack needs.

Well every defense could use a pro bowl type player to fill a need and Jenkins wasn't even a probowl player (was hurt all the time to boot)----but Capers is supposed to be  a "great defensive mind"----he's failing to live up to that and missing one guy, barring a Reggie White type, isn't a good reason......makes a good excuse though!

Capers is a great defensive mind, and it definitely showed last night.

The Packers won the game with an UNDERMANNED defense against one of the top 5 offenses in the NFL, this season.

Here are the facts:
- Missing both starting OLBs (one rookie and one perennial Pro Bowler)
- Missing one starting ILB
- Missing a starting DE and a backup DE (only 4 DEs dressed, so they were forced to play nickel package of 2 down linemen, all night)
- Missing starting Safety (Future NFL Hall of Famer)

In the Second Half, when the outcome of the game was to be determined, the Lions' offense went nowhere.

As NT Ryan Pickett said in the MJS, this morning...  Capers made the adjustments at Half Time, and we were forced to play Nickel all night with CJ and Mike out.

The whole body of work is simply, a sound strategy combined with a gutty performance...which is coaching well done.

CARLtheGREENSKEEPER wrote:

gr8one1 wrote:

SaintVincent wrote: As was the case last year, the defense lacks a Cullen Jenkins type DT that collapses the middle of the pocket - not sure if the original Cullen Jenkins v1.0 still has it in 2012 as he did in 2011 and 2010, but that's what the Pack needs.

Well every defense could use a pro bowl type player to fill a need and Jenkins wasn't even a probowl player (was hurt all the time to boot)----but Capers is supposed to be  a "great defensive mind"----he's failing to live up to that and missing one guy, barring a Reggie White type, isn't a good reason......makes a good excuse though!

Capers is a great defensive mind, and it definitely showed last night.

The Packers won the game with an UNDERMANNED defense against one of the top 5 offenses in the NFL, this season.

Here are the facts:
- Missing both starting OLBs (one rookie and one perennial Pro Bowler)
- Missing one starting ILB
- Missing a starting DE and a backup DE (only 4 DEs dressed, so they were forced to play nickel package of 2 down linemen, all night)
- Missing starting Safety (Future NFL Hall of Famer)

In the Second Half, when the outcome of the game was to be determined, the Lions' offense went nowhere.

As NT Ryan Pickett said in the MJS, this morning...  Capers made the adjustments at Half Time, and we were forced to play Nickel all night with CJ and Mike out.

The whole body of work is simply, a sound strategy combined with a gutty performance...which is coaching well done.

Don't confuse Murff with facts and reality....

Not sure if Woodson being out is hurting us much. He has struggled at Safety.

One thing is certain, Zombo and Jones are awful. The secondary actually played quite well, limiting the big play. Tramon Williams was great, competed hard all night. On a side note, Joique Bell would be a great fit for the Packers' offense (and maybe my fantasy football team ). But, this Packers defense really stepped up with some guys out.

CARLtheGREENSKEEPER wrote:

 

Capers is a great defensive mind, and it definitely showed last night.

The Packers won the game with an UNDERMANNED defense against one of the top 5 offenses in the NFL, this season.

Here are the facts:
- Missing both starting OLBs (one rookie and one perennial Pro Bowler)
- Missing one starting ILB
- Missing a starting DE and a backup DE (only 4 DEs dressed, so they were forced to play nickel package of 2 down linemen, all night)
- Missing starting Safety (Future NFL Hall of Famer)

In the Second Half, when the outcome of the game was to be determined, the Lions' offense went nowhere.

As NT Ryan Pickett said in the MJS, this morning...  Capers made the adjustments at Half Time, and we were forced to play Nickel all night with CJ and Mike out.

The whole body of work is simply, a sound strategy combined with a gutty performance...which is coaching well done.

Carl, that's nonsense-----every team has key guys sidelined---some of you think GB is the only team with injuries. GB won a Super Bowl without 7 starters----MU didn't lose a beat when Otule and Gardner went down-----great coaching minds make the necessary adjustments !!!!!

You want facts-----well understand that the GB defense gave up 400 yds-----last I looked they are ranked in the bottom half of the NFC.

Less we forget in 2011 GB had the worst pass defense in the history of the NFL. A "great defensive mind" just off a superbowl doesn't own facts like those!

Capers is one of the best. His talent, with injuries, is near the bottom of the league, yet he keeps us in the game.
And Murff, you really need to actually watch the games. You blame Capers on Sunday for giving up too much yardage because of playing a 3-4 defense, yet they didn't play one down of it on Sunday, not one play 

Glad the Packers know the difference.

What I'm getting at is having an alignment of two undersized guys at OLB rushing the passer trying to beat two OTs who are 50-60 lbs heavier......also with this alignment GB is very vulnerable to runs outside the tackle position, as the OLBs get caught inside.......then too, Capers zone defenses are sives.

Very Old Man......what else does one call an alignment with 3 down linemen and 4 linebackers other than a 3-4 alignment????

gr8one1 wrote: What I'm getting at is having an alignment of two undersized guys at OLB rushing the passer trying to beat two OTs who are 50-60 lbs heavier......also with this alignment GB is very vulnerable to runs outside the tackle position, as the OLBs get caught inside.......then too, Capers zone defenses are sives.

Very Old Man......what else does one call an alignment with 3 down linemen and 4 linebackers other than a 3-4 alignment????

Murf...it was not a 3-4...it was a 2-4....2DT  and 4 LBs...GB could not run the 3-4 because there were not enough DTs...it was a 2-4-5....which was very effective esp vs 3 WRs offenses...come on man.

Murf, you're losing it.  It was a 2-4-5 nickle defense agianst Detroit on Sunday. 

The Chicago Sun-Times today lauded Dom Capers for winning with an undermanned defense against Detroit, while pointing out that when the Lovie Smith Bears's defense is faced with such injury situations (e.g., down 14 points at Minnesota on Sunday), they always fall flat on their faces.

It's called finding a way to win by "playing the cards dealt to you" as effectively as possible.

Losing it? Hardly!

When I said the Capers rendition of the 3-4 defense I wasn't referencing the Detroit game specifically, but rather the overall picture where only 3 down linemen & 4 LBs are normally used........ having to use
2 down DL guys vs Detroit is still worse.......proof is that GB gave up 400 yds against a 4-9 team.
.......and in the snow no less.

Over the years you see flirts with the 3-4 and its variations, but offenses catch up with it because
Its fundamentally flawed......and that's where we are now. GB used it briefly years ago (1970s or 1980s) among other teams and just about all of them discarded it. Now it's back and already obsolete IMO.

Time to retool and go back to the time tested 4-3.

Maybe JD remembers the exact years GB used the 3-4.

Until you can find 4 good DL...you have to stay with the 3-4...or the 2-4-5