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Is Romney just a Republican Obama?

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Posted: 1/3/2012 8:05 AM

Is Romney just a Republican Obama? 


The more I see Romney talk, the more I'm convinced he is just feeding people lines that they want to hear. He has the same snarky elitist tone that Obama has. He tries to steer every question back to a rehearsed talking point and doesn't really seem to be genuinely passionate about anything. His PAC spends millions on attack ads instead of focusing on his own views or record. If everyone plays Romneys game, they'll beat each other down and make it easier for the left to get ammo against the Rebuplican nominee, whoever it is. He's for promoting himself more than promoting the ideals of the people he says he wants to represent. I'm afraid that we're going to have a Republican candidate that wants to play the game and spew talking points instead of actually making a difference. I hope it's not a republican talking head vs a democratic talking head next November.

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Posted: 1/3/2012 8:40 AM

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specialfred wrote: The more I see Romney talk, the more I'm convinced he is just feeding people lines that they want to hear.
True. But to expect any politician to do otherwise is the moral equivalent of expecting your dog to quack.

(SS will argue, no doubt, that RP is the exception. However, RP is feeding his people the lines that they want to hear.)
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Posted: 1/3/2012 8:49 AM

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I don't really think we can compare Obama to anyone. Or anyone to Obama.
He is by far the worst president (unless you ask him, he thinks only Johnson, FDR and Lincoln
ranks above him in competency) we have ever had. Of course those he mentioned would
rank above him from the bottom! Romney has actually done something in his life before, besides
stir up doo doo.
"It's better to die a hero than live a coward."
             Charles Woods in reference to his son and Barack Obama.
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Posted: 1/3/2012 9:06 AM

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I don't believe he's the worst President we've ever had. Hell, he's not even the worst President of this millennium (although he's still got time to work on that one).
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Posted: 1/3/2012 9:22 AM

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The current president, along with bush, and woodrow wilson would have to rank somewhere near the top.
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Posted: 1/3/2012 3:14 PM

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flankerdrive wrote: The current president, along with bush, and woodrow wilson would have to rank somewhere near the top.
You left out the peanut farmer. What did Bush do to deserve the worst vote? I wasnt fond of his second term but I wouldnt call him one of the worst.
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Posted: 1/3/2012 4:20 PM

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specialfred wrote: The more I see Romney talk, the more I'm convinced he is just feeding people lines that they want to hear. He has the same snarky elitist tone that Obama has. He tries to steer every question back to a rehearsed talking point and doesn't really seem to be genuinely passionate about anything. His PAC spends millions on attack ads instead of focusing on his own views or record. If everyone plays Romneys game, they'll beat each other down and make it easier for the left to get ammo against the Rebuplican nominee, whoever it is. He's for promoting himself more than promoting the ideals of the people he says he wants to represent. I'm afraid that we're going to have a Republican candidate that wants to play the game and spew talking points instead of actually making a difference. I hope it's not a republican talking head vs a democratic talking head next November.
The very nature of the process by which we elect Presidents has made it impossible to get a Jimmy Stewart-esque "Mr. Smith Goes To Washington" candidate. To wish for that is akin to waiting for a bus that ain't coming. If one doesn't care for Romney's specific politics, that's a personal decision which all of us are presently allowed in our republic. For anyone to only hold his religion against him is a non sequitor, it won't matter if he were to be elected. Romney is certainly different and a marked improvement, in my view, over B.H.O. in his CV. Their traditional educations are at least a tie for Romney but their activities following college are markedly dissimilar. Whilst Obama was doing whatever in Chicago which makes the Chicago machine bosses like one (we'll call it 'community organizing'), Romney was doing much more practical things to prepare one for the office of presidency. If one took politcal parties out of the equation and looked at running the country as a managerial exercise only, the obvious choice would be Romney. Obama hadn't managed a bake sale before being elected.
We are lucky the federal government, to some degree, will run on auto-pilot.

The takeaway: No single candidate is ever a 'Perfect 10' for the majority of the electorate.
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Posted: 1/3/2012 4:30 PM

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Wouldn't it be wonderful to be forced to choose between two candidates you really like? 

I'm just tired of elections that force me to ask the question: "Of those on the ballot, who do I despise the least?"
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Posted: 1/3/2012 4:41 PM

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Amen:

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"Vote For the Crook-- It's Important"
Bear with me for a minute on this thing. Nader is going to be a problem...we just have to face it. Being in denial is not going to help. We cannot allow another 2000 coup to happen with the help of Nader.

There are a number of people who don't want Smirk at all, but who truly dislike Kerry for any number of reasons. They can't bring themselves to vote for Kerry and are therefore going to vote for Nader. Count on it.

A similar problem existed in the governor's race in Louisiana in 1991, and was dealt with in what I consider to be a fairly clever, and, as it turns out, successful way

In 1991 Edwin Edwards was running for another term as Governor of Louisiana. Because of the screwed up primary system here, David Duke (the self-avowed nazi (not in quotes) and Klansman) forced a run-off for governor. Edwards (a Dem) had done some good things, but he was basically open about being corrupt, had been tried a couple of times for it.

However, when faced with the prospect of the potential of having an avowed nazi as governor and a crook, people got together (even staunch opponents of Edwards) and started a TV ad and bumper sticker campaign, which was:

"Vote For the Crook--It's Important"

Duke was defeated (thank god)by people voting for Edwards who would NEVER have voted for him but for the problem with the naziboy.

The similarity here I think is relevant. If we can somehow convince those who don't like Bush and just hate the idea of voting for Kerry to vote for Kerry with a similar slogan, I think we might get some traction.

Any ideas for such a bumper sticker/slogan?

"Vote for the Liberal--It's Important"?

(Please don't misinterpret this as a slam on Kerry. I'm talking about a campaign for parts of the country where voting for a "librul frum MA" is viewed as quite a departure from civilized behavior. I'm talking about a campaign that will convince those who have lost jobs, don't like the war, don't like Smirk, but are too uptight to vote for Kerry to do so anyway)
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Posted: 1/3/2012 5:08 PM

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rockwebmaster wrote: Wouldn't it be wonderful to be forced to choose between two candidates you really like? 

I'm just tired of elections that force me to ask the question: "Of those on the ballot, who do I despise the least?"
+1!! This sums up my feelings exactly. Its a shame that this lineup is the best we can come up with.

Which begs the question, Rock...

Who has your endorsement as pres? Cuz I'm still undecided.
The difference between good players and great players is often just the difference in opportunities they are given!...awsmdad1
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Posted: 1/3/2012 6:08 PM

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Sara Palin would be the GOP Obama.
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Posted: 1/3/2012 6:26 PM

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I will not make a decision on a Presidential candidate until August, at the earliest. If prior elections are any indication, the likelihood that I will support a "Third Party" candidate is high.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 7:15 AM

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specialfred wrote: The more I see Romney talk, the more I'm convinced he is just feeding people lines that they want to hear.
True. But to expect any politician to do otherwise is the moral equivalent of expecting your dog to quack.

(SS will argue, no doubt, that RP is the exception. However, RP is feeding his people the lines that they want to hear.)

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That's not true. RP has NEVER changes his stance on policy, even when it used to get him booed and heckled. The PEOPLE are coming to him and his message.

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Posted: 1/4/2012 7:33 AM

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He hasn't had to change a stance. His scam is working. What's gonna happen when you all get to his Heritage USA and find nothing there? Oh yeah, I think you called it a " revolution".
"It's better to die a hero than live a coward."
             Charles Woods in reference to his son and Barack Obama.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 8:06 AM

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Well he increased the deficit 7 trillion dollars, took us to war in Iraq ( I agree that at the time afghanistan was justifiable) gave us no child left behind, increased the role of the fed government as a whole.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 8:12 AM

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Sidewindin, how is his stance a scam? If a message that pertains to having a sound dollar, not being in debt, minding our own business overseas, and having people take care of themselves is a scam, then I want to be apart of it.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 8:30 AM

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His message is not a scam. He is. He is leading you to believe he is something he is not.
"It's better to die a hero than live a coward."
             Charles Woods in reference to his son and Barack Obama.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:02 AM

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Well if RP wants to get elected he needs to change his stance on foreign policy. While i agree we don't have to be the world's big brother, we shouldn't become its little sister either.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:03 AM

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That's just flat out wrong. If he was in the business of trying to gain supporters, he would have changed his stance to e more appealing. He is trying to get people to believe in the basic principles that this country was founded on again, and as things get worse, more and more people are coming his way.

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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:04 AM

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Well if RP wants to get elected he needs to change his stance on foreign policy. While i agree we don't have to be the world's big brother, we shouldn't become its little sister either.

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How does wanting to make our military 4 times stronger than it already is make us it's little sister? Why do people think you have to be spread out across the world in order to have a strong military?

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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:15 AM

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You yourself justifies that it is okay for someone with the stance of RiP, to receive his paycheck while running for another office.
Do you know how actually lives? Where his money comes from?
His message, again I will say has a lot of truth in it. It will automatically draw the people
who believe like you, me and many others.
But, Saratoga, he is a liar and a fraud.
Don't excuse his "mission" being subsidized by public treasure.
It is against the very grain of his message.
He is drawing a paycheck and not working. In fact, he is making millions,
and stands to make multiple millions more selling his new books to come from this
scam, that he probably won't write himself. Or read.
"It's better to die a hero than live a coward."
             Charles Woods in reference to his son and Barack Obama.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:22 AM

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Side, that is so weak of an argument to make. In a world of wicked politicians, you have a beef with him drawing his congressional salary while running for President? When that is the best argument you can make, that says a lot. Let me ask you this... If elected President he would propose to cut his own salary by $300,000 dollars a year. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of dollars of his own salary he has put back into the treasury while in office... You don't think that would compensate a year and a half on the campaign trail?

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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:24 AM

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Ron Paul's problem is not that people don't think he believes what he says. His problem is that they do think he believes that.

I heard an interesting commentary on RP yesterday. The commentator (sorry, I don't remember his name) mentioned that many people find themselves in agreement with 80% of what Ron Paul says. But the other 20% of what he says includes positions on policies (i.e., monetary policy, the military, and drugs) that taken individually or together makes him unacceptable to the vast majority of American voters.

Picture this scenario: A voter finds himself in agreement with just about all of Ron Paul's positions, except that voter lost a beloved child to drugs years ago. That one issue makes it impossible for him to vote for Ron Paul. Or, a voter finds herself in agreement with all of Ron Paul's positions, but thinks the U.S.A. needs to maintain a presence in South Korea (she is, after all, of Korean descent). Can't vote for him.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:37 AM

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So if its wrong for RP to be revieving a check for his congressional workd while he is running for POTUS then is it wrong for the current Pres to recieve a check while running for reelection?
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:38 AM

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That's part of the myth there rock. Ron Paul does not necessarily want to legalize drugs, he just wants the federal government to stay out of the business and leave it alone to states, primarily because the federal government cant get the job done in regulating it. The fact that a person has a family member hooked on drugs only drives that point home, they got hooked on drugs even though drugs are illegal right now. The fact that something is illegal is not going to keep the people who want to do drugs off of them. What about alcohol? What about fast food restaraurants? What about tanning beds? Is it the role of the federal government to outlaw things that are bad for us?

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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:40 AM

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What a person does to there body is their right, and as long as it does not infringe on others liberties then they should be able to do it.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:55 AM

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specialfred wrote: The more I see Romney talk, the more I'm convinced he is just feeding people lines that they want to hear. He has the same snarky elitist tone that Obama has. He tries to steer every question back to a rehearsed talking point and doesn't really seem to be genuinely passionate about anything. His PAC spends millions on attack ads instead of focusing on his own views or record. If everyone plays Romneys game, they'll beat each other down and make it easier for the left to get ammo against the Rebuplican nominee, whoever it is. He's for promoting himself more than promoting the ideals of the people he says he wants to represent. I'm afraid that we're going to have a Republican candidate that wants to play the game and spew talking points instead of actually making a difference. I hope it's not a republican talking head vs a democratic talking head next November.
Hate to disappoint you, but that's exactly what it will be.
"To win is to overcome your own side. To win, your own side must overcome itself. To win one's self is to overcome the body with the mind." from the Hagakure
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Posted: 1/4/2012 11:04 AM

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SaratogaSprings wrote: Side, that is so weak of an argument to make. In a world of wicked politicians, you have a beef with him drawing his congressional salary while running for President? When that is the best argument you can make, that says a lot. Let me ask you this... If elected President he would propose to cut his own salary by $300,000 dollars a year. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of dollars of his own salary he has put back into the treasury while in office... You don't think that would compensate a year and a half on the campaign trail?
Not very weak if you had built your whole message around that myth that he wants less government.
He is being paid to do a job by the federal government that he is not doing.
The campaigns for all of these men (Bachmann is gone) should reimburse any salaries from public treasury
while they are seeking any office.
RiP says he does not take taxpayer funded trips. He is lying.
RiP would that we were a little more lenient version of the USSR.
How does he thinks commerce moved freely through international waters?
Our only real wealth and prosperity comes from the export of manufactured goods to another country.
"It's better to die a hero than live a coward."
             Charles Woods in reference to his son and Barack Obama.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 12:12 PM

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SaratogaSprings wrote: That's part of the myth there rock.
The only myth I see is the myth that Ron Paul will ever be elected President.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 12:18 PM

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SaratogaSprings wrote: Side, that is so weak of an argument to make. In a world of wicked politicians, you have a beef with him drawing his congressional salary while running for President? When that is the best argument you can make, that says a lot. Let me ask you this... If elected President he would propose to cut his own salary by $300,000 dollars a year. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of dollars of his own salary he has put back into the treasury while in office... You don't think that would compensate a year and a half on the campaign trail?
Not very weak if you had built your whole message around that myth that he wants less government.
He is being paid to do a job by the federal government that he is not doing.
The campaigns for all of these men (Bachmann is gone) should reimburse any salaries from public treasury
while they are seeking any office.
RiP says he does not take taxpayer funded trips. He is lying.
RiP would that we were a little more lenient version of the USSR.
How does he thinks commerce moved freely through international waters?
Our only real wealth and prosperity comes from the export of manufactured goods to another country.

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You have proof that he is lying? Proof of any tax payer funded trips?

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