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Referee Assignments

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Posted: 1/31/2012 2:50 PM

Referee Assignments 


Anyone know how the referees are chosen for the playoff games?  Is it random or calculated?  I can just imagine a bunch of the old fat cronies hanging out at BWWs trying to decide who should officiate the games.
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Posted: 1/31/2012 3:06 PM

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Well...... I'll be in the stands at the Gulfport Game against Brandon Girls tonight at 5:30.  I'll be happy to help them out if they need with these top ten CJM Inputs.

1. Really ref, you didn't see that hand ball?
2. Off sides?  Off sides?  This is the playoffs and there is no off sides against Brandon?
3. Come on ref Hellen Kellor could have seen that foul
4. Really? Really?  Why don't you put some skirts on them and send them to cheerleader camp for crying out loud
5. Why don't you move them up where they can just go ahead and shoot on goal, the free kick should be back at least another 50 yards!
6.  Comm on Mann!
7.  Brandon girl tripped ref and we get a yellow card are you kidding me?
8.  Oh i see.... there's some home cooking going on here...... Ah wait a minute....we're playing at GPt disregaurd.....last comment
9. What do you mean a yellow card on my baby?  You're just trying to keep my baby down that's what going on there you must be from Brandon ref
10.  Good game ref.......  

Just in good fun my fellow posters. 

I truely would not want to be a ref in any of the post season games and wish the best to those intrepid souls who are. Good luck guys and girls hope you call some good games tonight.
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Posted: 1/31/2012 7:32 PM

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Each association submits the names of the best referees in their respective associations to MHSAA prior to the playoffs, and all referee assignments for the finals are made by MHSAA from those submissions.

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Posted: 1/31/2012 9:35 PM

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HermanC wrote: Each association submits the names of the best referees in their respective associations to MHSAA prior to the playoffs, and all referee assignments for the finals are made by MHSAA from those submissions.
No.
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Posted: 1/31/2012 9:58 PM

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MHSAA will email whichever districts they want to ref each game and that districts assignor will send his best crew. That is how they did it last year for us.
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Posted: 1/31/2012 10:04 PM

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All playoff games are assigned by the local assigner of the area that the game is being played. Common sense would tell you that the better refs would get the better playoff games; however, if sense were common then everyone would have it! For the championship games, then MHSAA looks at who is playing in each game and assigns a neutral association to send a crew. For example, since Gulfport is playing Clinton for the 6A Boys final, then neither a crew from the coast association or west jackson association could assign a crew for that match. It is up to the local assigners to decide what crew gets sent. It may be the best referee crew, or it may be the most "experienced" crew, or they may go by seniority, each association is different.
I personally think they should let the larger associations (Jackson, Coast, Hattiesburg, Tupelo) mix crews and work the bigger games throughout the entire playoffs, including the finals. That way you would get the best referee crew for the best games. The way it is set up right now, you might see a referee crew from Southwest MS that assigns for 3 schools working the 6A boys final (not likely, but possible) The system could for sure be looked at and improved!
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Posted: 1/31/2012 10:49 PM

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After doing a few State H.S. Finals the power went to my head!  Then I decided if I didn't get to do all the finals every year in every classification....I would show them and RETIRE.....I showed them!  Now I just sit and tell my friends here at the Rest Home stories of just how great I was.  Seems every year I used to be that much better!  Now my story begins with I had the choice of the WORLD CUP Final or the Olympic Final but I was just tired of all the Paparazzi...and CEO stalking me so I went underground.....

"Be kind whenever possible. It is always possible."- His Holiness the Dalai Lama.

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Posted: 2/1/2012 1:32 AM

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I believe the new administration is leaving things as they are this year to see how it works up close and personal. I know they have heard the stories. But so far I am impressed. Heard Don Hinton was at the Brandon - OS game. Ennis Proctor only game to the finals to  hand out trophies. I think the new administration will be hands on and perhaps next year you will see some changes as they review what happened this year.
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Posted: 2/1/2012 4:38 AM

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DunItAll wrote:
HermanC wrote: Each association submits the names of the best referees in their respective associations to MHSAA prior to the playoffs, and all referee assignments for the finals are made by MHSAA from those submissions.
No.
Yes.  This is how the finals are done.  It may not have been like this in the past, but this is new management @ MHSAA.

Early round playoff games are done by the local assignors.

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Posted: 2/1/2012 7:43 AM

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Te crew at the Ridgeland - Oxford Game did a good job overall. Let both teams play with no calls that effected the flow of the game. Called it even both way. The best Refs are always the ones you don't even know are there but the game still runs smoothly.
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Posted: 2/1/2012 8:14 AM

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Regular Season Games

Each local assignor (Tupelo, Jackson, Memphis, etc...) assigns games based on their expertise.  Throughout the season the assignor may or may not receive feedback from coaches, fans or other referees.  Feedback may or may not determine future assignments.

1st thru 3rd Round Playoff Matches

The area in which the game is being played picks the crew.  For example if Corinth is playing in Jackson then the Jackson assignor would send a crew.  The assignments are done the same way as the regular season.  The local assignor chooses the crew he feels best can handle the match. 

State Championships

[We need to divide this between two eras.  The Past and the Present]

Larry Thomas / Proctor (The Old Way)

After the North and South Championships MHSAA looks at the matchups and determines who would be a neutral site.  For example:

Clinton vs Tupelo

In this case the referee crew would not come from the Jackson or Tupelo districts.    So, the Memphis area chapter would get an email saying "Congratulations your district has been chosen to referee the 6A final.  Please pick a crew for this match and send the names to MHSAA. 


The New Era (New MHSAA Administration)

This is to be determined.  There were some rumors of how the assigning would change.  These are just rumors.  The referee community is watching MHSAA today to see how the assignments will be conducted.



What was wrong (if any) with the old way?

Real simple.  The old way assumed referee bias.  If Brandon is playing Tupelo, what is so bad with having a Jackson crew on the match?  Also, everyone knows many really good referees are in the Jackson area.  However, many good teams will be from the Jackson area.  So you are limiting your referee pool because of this method.

Look at the top four games (based on school size)

5A GIRLS:

Ridgeland (Jackson Team) biggrin

vs.

West Jones

5A Boys:

Starkville

vs.

Pascagoula

6A GIRLS:

Tupelo

vs.

Brandon  (Jackson Team) biggrin

6A BOYS:

Clinton (Jackson Team ) biggrin

vs.

Gulfport

Therefore, under the old system there will not be a Jackson referee crew on 3 of the 4 top games at the state championships.  And the 6A boys final crew will need to come from Memphis, the Delta, Hattiesburg, Meridian or Tupelo. 

Is there a better way?

One recommendation is for the local assignors to send in names of the top referees in their district.  Then a central authority will choose the matches.  The problem is "Who will be the central authority?"  MHSAA officials haven't gone out to the delta or the coast to give assessments of their officials.  So, really you need a central authority who knows all of the referees in the state.

Who would be the best central authority for the assignments?

The most reasonable solution would be to have the Mississippi Soccer Association State Referee committee work with MHSAA for the assignments.  All of the referees in Mississippi know the "short list" of the better referees.  You can name them if you want, but everyone knows the better referees. 


In all chances the finals will occur this weekend without a hitch.  But behind the scenes, referees are watching MHSAA to see how the assignment process will take place.  Very exciting time to be a referee or a old fat one like me.

Last edited 2/1/2012 8:31 AM by morningcoffee

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Posted: 2/1/2012 9:11 AM

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"Anyone know how the referees are chosen for the playoff games? Is it random or calculated? I can just imagine a bunch of the old fat cronies hanging out at BWWs trying to decide who should officiate the games."


No...THAT would be football.
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Posted: 2/1/2012 10:21 AM

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Morningcoffee I agree with what you said except for one part. I reffed in the state championships last year under Larry Thomas way of working. With your new method I would get excluded because I am not certified in Mississippi for USSF. I am certified in TN and attend school at MSU. So the people at MS soccer association may not know who I am. So how would you handle this obstacle with your system. Just curious?
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Posted: 2/1/2012 3:21 PM

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Any word on who the referee crews will be for the State Championship games.
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Posted: 2/1/2012 3:32 PM

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Last year's championship referee in 6A Boys was Mark Herrington, USSF licensed in Tennessee, a National NISOA referee, living in Memphis.  But he was a member of MHSAA and called Mississippi games.  Other officials in past years have had USSF certifications held in LA, TX, AR, AL and FL. 

If you are USSF Certified in Tennessee and are @ MSU and have joined the local Starkville MHSAA association and have called Mississippi High School games this year, you would not be excluded simply because of where your USSF registration is held.
statefan2010 wrote: Morningcoffee I agree with what you said except for one part. I reffed in the state championships last year under Larry Thomas way of working. With your new method I would get excluded because I am not certified in Mississippi for USSF. I am certified in TN and attend school at MSU. So the people at MS soccer association may not know who I am. So how would you handle this obstacle with your system. Just curious?

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Posted: 2/1/2012 5:21 PM

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tomboy22 wrote: Any word on who the referee crews will be for the State Championship games.
I know... but if I told you I would have to kill you...   just saying...
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Posted: 2/1/2012 5:27 PM

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HermanC wrote:
DunItAll wrote:
HermanC wrote: Each association submits the names of the best referees in their respective associations to MHSAA prior to the playoffs, and all referee assignments for the finals are made by MHSAA from those submissions.
No.
Yes.  This is how the finals are done.  It may not have been like this in the past, but this is new management @ MHSAA.

Early round playoff games are done by the local assignors.
No. 

The associations decide which referees will be making the trip and MHSAA tells them what game they are going to referee. And there is no list submitted to the state prior to the playoffs.
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Posted: 2/1/2012 5:28 PM

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FutbolFalcon wrote: Te crew at the Ridgeland - Oxford Game did a good job overall. Let both teams play with no calls that effected the flow of the game. Called it even both way. The best Refs are always the ones you don't even know are there but the game still runs smoothly.
I'm surprised I haven't heard that Oxford got more calls on a game that was relatively close the whole game (2-0 until a put-away goal at the last minute made it 3-0) against a team like Ridgeland.

It is nice to know though there are referees that do their job and follow the play instead of standing in the circle for 80 minutes.

However that is true - the best ones are the ones you never hear about, because usually a goal for a referee is to not get 'involved' in the game. Let the players decide the outcome, if they decide to foul, then you make a call.
I'm an idiot apparently...
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Posted: 2/1/2012 6:26 PM

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buddah, didn't you mentor esse baharmest ??
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Posted: 2/1/2012 7:48 PM

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dclarkref wrote:
tomboy22 wrote: Any word on who the referee crews will be for the State Championship games.
I know... but if I told you I would have to kill you...   just saying...
Yeah I heard MHSAA released who was scheduled for the boys matches:
Terry Vaughn is scheduled to do the 4A Boys final
Howard Webb is scheduled to do the 5A Boys final
Pierluigi Collina is scheduled to do the 6A Boys final 

I hope they can handle that level....
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