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SEGAHSREF wrote: I agree with much that has been stated in this thread, but have some differing thoughts:1. We cannot keep young men in the sport as referees long enough for them to get good. The money is certainly not worth it and when they are abused at the table, on the sidelines, and even in the hospitality room they loose their enthusiasm for doing it.2. Not every association performs the same amount of training prior to and during the season. I belong to two different associations (FL and GA) and in both we spend a couple of months with weekly meetings and then weekly throughout the season going over situations, scenarios, what to do if...3. I have been officiating wreslting for 12 years now and have had the good fortune to be able to do the NHSCA Jr/Sr Nationals 5 times, the NHSCA Duals 5 times, the Super 32 3 times, and many other high level tournaments. I can count on one hand the number of times that I have been complemented on the job that I did. I am not saying that the coachs should stroke the referees, but if you would not hesistate to tell one that they did a crap job, tell them with they did a good job as well.4. Point of View. I realize that the coach of team A has his wrestlers' best interest in his mind and that the coach of team B has his wrestlers' best interest in his mind, I just ask that the coaches remember that we are First trying to keep everyone safe and secondly trying to ensure that the match is called fairly. I try to listen to what is being said by the coaches and evaluate the meaning of it. If it is safety related I will react, if it is match related I will file it away. 5. Believe it or not, referees are human. We have feelings, we have off days, and we certainly do things that we are not proud of. If you are verbally attacking the referee then you can expect the same back, but if you try talking with the same respect that you expect from him then you may be pleased with the result. Several years ago I was taken to the table by a fairly well known head coach from Brandon. He just asked me what I had and what I had seen. Through the discussion I realized that I had not given a takedown when it was desirved. I changed the call and we went on.6. Most of the referees do this because of the love that we have for the sport. Every year I do numerous events for nothing more that a Hot Dog and Drink or two. I study the sport and try to get better every year. Don't give up on us, we are trying to get it right.
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Well said Gug. When I coached, all I asked for was for a referee to be consistent. If you don't call stalling, then be consistent about it. If you call quick pins, call them all the time.One thing I think coaches forget, and referees don't enforce according to the rule book is that when you come to the table to question a call one of two things should happen 1. There is a misapplication of the rule and the call gets changed or 2. There isn't a misapplication and the coach is called for a misconduct.
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While related under overall umbrella of officiating, some of these are separate and distinct problems.
- Knowing the rules. Does the ref have an understanding or lack of understanding of the rules of wrestling, and their application. To some degree, experience gained through officiating will help, but if the official doesn't eventually get it, they will always have problems. This is probably the biggest issue I observe coaches having with officiating. At districts this past week there were some obvious examples of lack of knowledge on rules...some pretty basic like having an arm when applying a headlock. Saw this happen and go on for a good 35-40 seconds til time ran out. Even opposing coach (his kid had illegal move) just shook his head.
- Getting into correct position. Again, over time this will most likely improve unless the individual simply chooses not to work at it. It can often cost points and matches. For example, at districts this past week, I was sitting with a certified official (a good one), and we watched a TD where wrestler A took wrestler B to his back. Official was on wrong side of action, then tried to give two...got confused that he gave wrong wrestler points, and took eyes off action for 5-6 seconds while making eye contact with table workers. All the while, wrestler A was holding wrestler B FLAT on his back. Easily a pin, but as minimum 2 or 3 back points. By the time the ref gained composure, no back points were awarded. It cost wrestler A the match.I applaud the association where they ask coaches for feedback. As minimum, it helps focus training efforts to improve performance as opposed to the status quo.
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BrandonBob wrote: Is there another part to the rule that allows the coach to approach the scorer's table when the score is incorrect? The person keeping score for the match may have missed a call or not have been paying attention. Should the coach be called for misconduct if the score was correct? There are very few scoring disputes where only one coach approaches the table. Should the misconduct rule only apply to the first coach to approach the table?
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